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#HBC | Gorf

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i think the way that jex handled scumDietz' pressure was really towny, but i don't think it's TOO far of a stretch to say that it's not enough to take em off the table (i know SWISS was good enough as mafia to pull off the "think like a towny" schtick really well and, well, the whole svs logic doesn't really apply cuz there are two 1 man teams).

vote kantrip

cuz PoE is real. reader's approach to the game from the get go and j's proactive scumhunting are enough for me to feel confident about em both. i am curious, j, what leads you to believe that occam's razor points your vote toward me? i've been mad inactive in this thread and, admit it, none of my play has been inherently scummy. so wouldn't that mean that the case that may be against me is chock full of nothing BUT assumptions?
 

#HBC | J

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Did you just compare Jexy to Swiss? That kind of made me smile a bit. The thing about Jexy and Reader is that they have 0 meta and therefore we have no way to know how they play.

Occam's razor mainly is who benefitted most from Zen dying when taking out the fact that he was the Hitman, you did but it's a very small point because scum just benefits from killing the clear in general. I mean, if I was scum, I would have kept Zen alive because he had me as his hardest town-read and also for the fact he wouldn't have been a threat. Occam's razor also suggests that since you are not really posting and showing much thought for your reads I think you are also becoming more likely Lazy Scum. If there is a proactive scum in this game, it is Kanty. I am looking at both sides of the coin here.

I was right on Ditzy for the reasons before so through my eyes if I am seeing you doing similar things, that makes me believe that you are more than likely scum as well. I also trust Zen's ability to nail at least half the scum-team when he is town so I am putting faith into his reads and giving the dead person a voice.

The only varibale I see that could end in the game being a lose for town is if Reader is in fact scum, but meh I just do not see it currently mainly because there isn't a whole lot to look at. I cannot really see his hammer being that of a scum-hammer.

I would like to go in a bit more on my scum-feel on you since I have gone into Kanty a bit. I feel you are more likely scum because in your update post it really holds nothing but air and things that could be presented from both angles. I'll go more into it here with this excerpt.

Gorf said:
cuz PoE is real. reader's approach to the game from the get go and j's proactive scumhunting are enough for me to feel confident about em both
You vote Kanty because PoE is real, yet you give no reasoning as to why he may be scum. Like, at all lol. I mean sure, you can say Kanty is scum for PoE but what about his play is scummy. If you could expand onto this a bit, I would be appreciative.

Then you say that reader's approach to the game is why you are confident about him, but what exactly about his play is making you lean town? Reader sits in my book as a null because that is what most of his actions have been this game. I just have a problem seeing scummer quick-hammering someone and putting their face right in the bullseye if Ditzy were to flip town. Feels more town than actually scummy.

Then you say you have me as proactive scum-hunting, when in a game like this, isn't really the best reason to give someone a town-read and looks more like a cop-out. I caught scumDitzy and got the wagon going but the thing is, there are two scum-teams. I mean I guess I'm proactive but there is just no one else willing to do anything. I actually wish I could switch my role PMs with the actual mafia member so I could fix my meta, but eh I like being town more.

I mean the read you go into the most was your Jexy read and even then it looks like you are trying to leave yourself a back-door if Kanty flips scum that you can just go and switch on over to him in LyLo if it came down to it.

Basically, the reason I find you as scum is that you are being incredibly vague in your responses to reads and then there is the fact that I just don't believ you as town more than likely. Plus this line:

Gorf said:
i've been mad inactive in this thread and, admit it, none of my play has been inherently scummy. so wouldn't that mean that the case that may be against me is chock full of nothing BUT assumptions?
Feels like you are more so appealing to my emotional side over that of my logical side. You have been inactive, that's not a point I am holding against you. You say none of your play has been inherently scummy, well again, the same could be said for anyone. The only person who was scummy blatantly was Ditzy and look where that got him haha. It does not mean the case against you is chock full of assumptions. You are also in the boat of PoE with Kanty so it's just *shrug* there too.

I have a question for you though: Why did you make the posts at the end of the Day Phase where you were stressing urgency and distress over the fact that Ditzy had been quick-hammered? That does not really seem natural for a person like you to do.

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I'm still mulling over toDay and who should die between Gorf and Kanty. On the fence still and content to sit here. Kanty has two votes so if I voted him, I'd just quick-hammer him. I'm also not voting Gorf because if I vote and sleep + Kanty votes and Reader comes in and quick-hammers, I'll be sad.

@ JeXs JeXs : Kanty flips town, who do you lynch and why if you are alive in LyLo?
 

#HBC | J

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Holy hell, I am so sorry for walling at you, Gorf. I just was typing my thoughts down and just well yeah that came out.

Oh well, my thoughts are more clear now though.
 

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That would be dependent. I'll definitely lynch Kantrip/Gorf if either one of them are still alive. Kantrip since I'm scum reading him and Gorf since he's the only null I have now.
 

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At the moment I'm leaning towards voting Gorf. I'll be more active tomorrow, since now, the e3 awaits.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Oh. My. Gorf. J come on are you really THAT excited to talk to me that that sort of wall comes out ;)?

I guess I'm confused on what Occam's razor is then; I always thought it had to do with going with the option that you have the least amount of assumptions on. Either way I DO agree that literally any scummy benefits from killing the clear equally and you'd be a total idiot for keeping him alive lmao.

*scroll scroll scroll*

Idgaf about kantrip's play honestly. My read on him strictly spans from my reads on you, reader and jex. If you'd like to see that style of play as a means of how I play minis, well, go back in the thread. I always feel like, in an open and small setup, feeling out town reads is way more beneficial than tryna find the scum. That's how I lynched hollow note > Ruy in that one mini Kary hosted, for example. Do I think his play has been really scummy? Nothing I can point my finger at, no, but I certainly can't say it's been TOWNY.

*scroll scroll scroll*

Readers got a clear paper trail he's laid out, and a thought process that makes it easier for me to say "hey that guy looks like a towny" than anything that sorta makes me look twice. Mobile so quoteless but yea. I feel like a scumReader wouldn't be so... Eager to lay his thoughts out the way he did. I just don't buy it from newbscum.

Your play =/= scum cuz, well ****, I mean you're obvious when you're scum. There's no easier way to put it. Sure it's different cuz there was a defined target for scum to catch, but at the same time you still need to watch your own hide. And when zen called you the scum you should've flailed... But ya didn't.

*scroll scroll scroll*

Oh if Kantrip flips town, sure I'll take another look at my reads but I think I'll end up going with jex. That wasn't supposed to be a secret.

*scroll scroll scroll*

It makes no sense that that insert toward you was AtE. How dafuq is that AtE? You wanna see AtE, look at 09-11 J (btw that's AtE because I'm specifically targeting something that you, and also I in this case, can personally connect to and laugh about).

I made the string of posts that I did yesterDay cuz I had finally gotten to a comp and was frustrated that there was time in the Day and a hammer happened anyway. Like **** I feel like any town would wanna stall it to have me speak up, even if Dietz was clearly scum, for the purpose of having an opinion on me going into the next Day. It was confusing, idk lol.

Hey J. Please don't lynch me. Mkay?
 

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So you have 100% faith in me and Reader being town?
It's not a 100%. But I wouldn't say who I would lynch in a you/me/reader LyLo since that will give scum a chance to throw in some crazy WIFOM.
 

#HBC | J

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Wah I <3 Gorf too much to lynch him.

Kanty better rock my non-existent socks or I'll hammer him.
 

#HBC | J

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Gorf said:
It makes no sense that that insert toward you was AtE. How dafuq is that AtE? You wanna see AtE, look at 09-11 J (btw that's AtE because I'm specifically targeting something that you, and also I in this case, can personally connect to and laugh about).
It's AtE because it's appealing to my emotion. AtE is any action that appeals to someone's emotional side rather than that of it's logical side. That's what I meant by that.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Gorf you know if we are both in LyLo together I will have to lynch you right?
You know that regardless of whether or not me or Kantrip are lynched toDay the other is going to be in lylo toMorrow right? I mean it's kind of a given at this point lol
 

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Now that Gorf has explained his reads I'm not sure anymore if he's scummier than potato. I'm actually learning towards voting Potato, but fret not. I've learned from my mistake and this time I won't hammer anybody when we are still in a middle of a discussion.
 

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I think J is scummier than Gorf. Dislike him setting up lynching Gorf in Lylo and Gorfs lack of presence isn't scummy
 

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So JeXs and J have both set up to lynch me and Gorf in either order.


If either of them are scum that wins them the game. Just putting that out there.
 

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So JeXs and J have both set up to lynch me and Gorf in either order.


If either of them are scum that wins them the game. Just putting that out there.
I think that's because you're our scum reads.
 

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Good luck if you're town Gorf. LyLo will be a tough one with two people already locking their votes in.

I won't be changing anyone's mind.


Good luck guys.

Vote Potassium
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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VOTECOUNT:
Gorf [0] -
J [0] -
Reader [0] -
JeXs [0] -
Kantrip [3] - JeXs, Gorf, Kantrip

Not Voting:
J, Reader,

A lynch has been reached!



Kantrip, James Bond, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched!

Night 2 Begins! Deadline is 6/14/14 at 11:59 PM EST
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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Nobody died. Disappointing.

VOTECOUNT:

Gorf [0] -
J [0] -
Reader [0] -
JeXs [0] -



Not Voting:
J, Reader, JeXs Gorf

Deadline is 6/25/14 at 11:59 PM EST
 

#HBC | Gorf

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LOL

uhh should we just NL so that scum is forced to kill or roll with this? i personally don't wanna be responsible for having THREE people agree on a scummy in mylo over TWO in lylo...
 

#HBC | J

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Hmmmm I don't know what to think about that besides wanting to look at Reader more. Mainly because his inactivity may just have condemned him.

no lynch may be a viable option but we should still discuss today. Oh my VLA is till Thursday btw.
 

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I didn't really expect this outcome.

At the moment two votes will kill, so townie putting another townie into L-1 gives an easy victory for scum. If scum kills somebody during the next night, we are in the same situation, but have a smaller chance to vote for townie. So NL sounds good to me.
 

#HBC | J

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Reader it takes 3 votes to kill haha.

Vote: No Lynch (not the hydra)

Sitting here for now. Don't quick hammer it though.
 

#HBC | J

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@ #HBC | Gorf #HBC | Gorf

I don't want you to be scum but like I just don't know. I see no other like real option because I read the other two much townier than you.

I'm also annoyed Kanty for just giving up and not helping town with discussion. Like that's just so anti-town.
 

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This is weird... The most unexpected situation. :(
I was putting so much thought into who is scum in the many possible LyLo situations...
 
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