Mini Mafia: Bowser Jr. Mafia [Ovah swam]

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Orbo needs to post.

Swords lynch not ideal. Gheb says Swords is not playing to town meta, then doesn't vote him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Be damn certain you're wrong.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm getting stalling vibes from Orb right now. Pretty down with his death.

No need to put him at L_1 though. I'll give him about another day and then I'll just go ham.

 

[Xivii]

Vote Count
4/7 to lynch

Gheb
soup
Red Ruy
No Hetero
Orboknown
sworddancer.
privatejoker brown

[collapse=Detailed]#Red Ruy votes soup
#No Hetero votes Orboknown
#soup votes Orboknown[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | Joker]

To be fair to Orbo, he has legit not been around for like 3 days. I been waiting to hear from him in the Riddickulous QT and he's just been MIA.

Swords is not ****ing scum, I will not allow him to be lynched.

 

[No Hetero]

1. What makes you think that scum Gheb could've and would've picked away at town Soup?

2. The thing about Gheb is that if he had chosen to pick on Soup as well then I could just have easily called him out on that for "sheeping." Instead he picked to town read read and by that fact alone I could call him out on something else: "posturing. So the position he takes by itself isn't really telling (since it can be twisted any which way), but what I do think is telling is that's it's inappropriate.

3. Soup's play after being voted on by RR was extremely odd. I think we can all agree on that. I'm just looking back at that and I can't figure out how Gheb was drawing a town read from it. Even if you didn't like that cases other people were making surely the way Soup was playing would have given anyone pause. Instead though he handwaves it as "Soup's a nervous wreck" (which btw shouldn't really clear anyone by itself, because one can be nervous as either alignment) and assumes that Soup's town.

4. I can't tell you exactly what a scum Gheb is thinking right now, but I can offer the possible explanation that he IS posturing, and possibly playing to his meta. Most people know him to be that salty discount guy and lo and behold at the first chance to be salty and discount he already kicked the I'm salty" notch up to 11. In matter of fact, being a grump has pretty much been his only focus this game so far.

5. Also what do you believe would be an intuitive scum reaction? Do you remember in my interview when I said that scum goes out of their way to do something that "scum wouldn't do?" I think that that could be a primary motivation of a scum Gheb's play right now, no? What do you think?

1. soup's handling of Red Ruy's "gambit" was confusing to the majority of the players and you saw him take heat for it. It got even worse when Ruy made a case and soup got riled up about it. As soon as Ruy made the case we also saw Kantplay and PB+J throw down votes on soup. Gheb comes in and votes Kantplay against the momentum that soup saw coming his way. See, Ghebscum has no qualms with ****ting on townies and that was primetime to sink a souplynch. It helps his wincondition as scum and is easy to do as well, so that's why I thought he would do it.

2. I don't really think Gheb could've been called out for sheeping the soupcase. We saw two other players join within the span of a few posts and no one really gave a ****. Gheb also (accidentally?) hammered Kantplay so it shows that he's not really scared of looking bad by joining a wagon.

3. While this is a fair point, is that actually why Gheb drew a townread from soup? This isn't rhetorical because I legitimately don't remember where that **** came from.

4. You're losing me here. I'm aware that Gheb has this "salty" perception, but doesn't he have the same attitude regardless of alignment? Why is him "being a grump" noteworthy in any capacity?

5. I'd like to hold off on a response to this until Gheb responds to your 272. I'm looking forward to that exchange going further and I know when to give people their privacy

Red Ruy: You say "Hando to read" in 273. What did you mean to say there?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I need to read into you more, you're going to be the hardest for me to read this game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So now that I'm read up

@No Hetero

I didn't hammer Kantrip on accident. I read him as scum, saw that Day phases only last 4 IRL days and decided that it was a good time to hammer him.

@Sword

You're not my #1 scumread but I still think the meta-point has merit. I don't feel like you have a noteworthy connection to me yet and pretty much everybody in the game has a connection to soup in some way. So for now my point remains the same but I'm not going to vote you toDay. I think it's possible that Orbo is scum on his own but I'm also operating under process of elimination a bit. Ryu is kinda-clear to me, I still think soup and PJB are town and if Orbo were scum I'd think it's unlikely that No Hetero would be his partner. Although I wouldn't knee-jerk push a lynch against you toMorrow I'd think you're the best pick for his partner and I also have individual concerns with you.

@Ryu [I think]

I didn't vote Orbo because as I mentioned twice I hadn't read up at that time and just generally mentioned that an Orbo + Sword team would make some sense now, agreed? If Orbo were to flip scum and game wouldn't be over who would you look at instead? I also don't see the issue you take with me hammering Kantrip. Days generally don't last long in this game and I thought Kantrip's a better lynch than soup so what's the issue? Since when is a Day 1 mislynch that much of an issue? Kantrip has done enough to warrant it.

@PJB

If Orbo hasn't been on the last few days, wouldn't it make sense to conclude that he is at least part of a mafia faction that has likely failed to submit a Night Kill [not feeling Doc because we all claimed Painter or Tracker]? Also, would you still be against lynching Swords in the event that Orbo flips scum and the game is still going on? Do you think it's unlikely they are a team?

Vote Orbo

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

1. soup's handling of Red Ruy's "gambit" was confusing to the majority of the players and you saw him take heat for it. It got even worse when Ruy made a case and soup got riled up about it. As soon as Ruy made the case we also saw Kantplay and PB+J throw down votes on soup. Gheb comes in and votes Kantplay against the momentum that soup saw coming his way. See, Ghebscum has no qualms with ****ting on townies and that was primetime to sink a souplynch. It helps his wincondition as scum and is easy to do as well, so that's why I thought he would do it.

2. I don't really think Gheb could've been called out for sheeping the soupcase. We saw two other players join within the span of a few posts and no one really gave a ****. Gheb also (accidentally?) hammered Kantplay so it shows that he's not really scared of looking bad by joining a wagon.

3. While this is a fair point, is that actually why Gheb drew a townread from soup? This isn't rhetorical because I legitimately don't remember where that **** came from.

4. You're losing me here. I'm aware that Gheb has this "salty" perception, but doesn't he have the same attitude regardless of alignment? Why is him "being a grump" noteworthy in any capacity?

5. I'd like to hold off on a response to this until Gheb responds to your 272. I'm looking forward to that exchange going further and I know when to give people their privacy

Red Ruy: You say "Hando to read" in 273. What did you mean to say there?

1. That's true. I'm just weary of thinking this way because of the notion that scum wouldn't be so direct about playing to their win cons.

2. I think you've misinterpreted me. I wasn't trying to make the point that Gheb was afraid of being seen as sheeping, I was making the point that simply being suspicious of Gheb because of the stance he took held no water. If he had attacked Soup, then one could have just attacked him for sheeping, and if he defended Soup, one could have attacked him for posturing. I was trying to make it apparent that I'm not just attacking Gheb for the stance he took, but rather because of how inappropriate I felt it was.

3. ? I don't know what you're asking. To my knowledge the only thing that Gheb is drawing a town read from is the fact that he considers Soup "cleared." He didn't really say anything about town reading Soup after his outburst, he just went into detail about why the suspicion against Soup was bad.

4. Because it was uncalled for. Yes he can be a grump but nothing in this game should have caused him to go into grump mode to the magnitude that he did.

5. Ok

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So now that I'm read up

@No Hetero

I didn't hammer Kantrip on accident. I read him as scum, saw that Day phases only last 4 IRL days and decided that it was a good time to hammer him.

@Sword

You're not my #1 scumread but I still think the meta-point has merit. I don't feel like you have a noteworthy connection to me yet and pretty much everybody in the game has a connection to soup in some way. So for now my point remains the same but I'm not going to vote you toDay. I think it's possible that Orbo is scum on his own but I'm also operating under process of elimination a bit. Ryu is kinda-clear to me, I still think soup and PJB are town and if Orbo were scum I'd think it's unlikely that No Hetero would be his partner. Although I wouldn't knee-jerk push a lynch against you toMorrow I'd think you're the best pick for his partner and I also have individual concerns with you.

@Ryu [I think]

I didn't vote Orbo because as I mentioned twice I hadn't read up at that time and just generally mentioned that an Orbo + Sword team would make some sense now, agreed? If Orbo were to flip scum and game wouldn't be over who would you look at instead? I also don't see the issue you take with me hammering Kantrip. Days generally don't last long in this game and I thought Kantrip's a better lynch than soup so what's the issue? Since when is a Day 1 mislynch that much of an issue? Kantrip has done enough to warrant it.

@PJB

If Orbo hasn't been on the last few days, wouldn't it make sense to conclude that he is at least part of a mafia faction that has likely failed to submit a Night Kill [not feeling Doc because we all claimed Painter or Tracker]? Also, would you still be against lynching Swords in the event that Orbo flips scum and the game is still going on? Do you think it's unlikely they are a team?

Vote Orbo

Your reasoning to be on Kantrip sucked, even more justifying a Quick hammer with it.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

To be fair to Orbo, he has legit not been around for like 3 days. I been waiting to hear from him in the Rid****ulous QT and he's just been MIA.

Swords is not ****ing scum, I will not allow him to be lynched.

So now that I'm read up

@No Hetero

I didn't hammer Kantrip on accident. I read him as scum, saw that Day phases only last 4 IRL days and decided that it was a good time to hammer him.

@Sword

You're not my #1 scumread but I still think the meta-point has merit. I don't feel like you have a noteworthy connection to me yet and pretty much everybody in the game has a connection to soup in some way. So for now my point remains the same but I'm not going to vote you toDay. I think it's possible that Orbo is scum on his own but I'm also operating under process of elimination a bit. Ryu is kinda-clear to me, I still think soup and PJB are town and if Orbo were scum I'd think it's unlikely that No Hetero would be his partner. Although I wouldn't knee-jerk push a lynch against you toMorrow I'd think you're the best pick for his partner and I also have individual concerns with you.

@Ryu [I think]

I didn't vote Orbo because as I mentioned twice I hadn't read up at that time and just generally mentioned that an Orbo + Sword team would make some sense now, agreed? If Orbo were to flip scum and game wouldn't be over who would you look at instead? I also don't see the issue you take with me hammering Kantrip. Days generally don't last long in this game and I thought Kantrip's a better lynch than soup so what's the issue? Since when is a Day 1 mislynch that much of an issue? Kantrip has done enough to warrant it.

@PJB

If Orbo hasn't been on the last few days, wouldn't it make sense to conclude that he is at least part of a mafia faction that has likely failed to submit a Night Kill [not feeling Doc because we all claimed Painter or Tracker]? Also, would you still be against lynching Swords in the event that Orbo flips scum and the game is still going on? Do you think it's unlikely they are a team?

Vote Orbo

wrt what you're saying to PJB: We know from Marshy's Night action that Orb did something in the Night. However I wouldn't go so far to say that just because scum didn't commit a kill means that scum failed to send in an action. It's totally possible that scum didn't want to send in a kill and be tracked to the corpse/kill a painter painting themselves as scum. In matter of fact, I'm pretty certain everyone did something last Night (I can confirm that I committed an action) and yet no one died. I'll go out on a limb and assume that scum has painter and/or tracker roles this game themselves. Just look at the sample role PM.

Gheb you still need to clear up the air here. Tell us why we should believe you and Soup are cleared. Also completely disagree with you about me vs. you not counting as a "significant connection" and honestly I'm just kinda wtf'ing over that.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@MOD: When's the deadline?

I think we still have about 24 hours. I'm probably going to hammer Orb soon. For now I'm going to a friend's place to smash.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

To be fair to Orbo, he has legit not been around for like 3 days. I been waiting to hear from him in the Rid****ulous QT and he's just been MIA.

Swords is not ****ing scum, I will not allow him to be lynched.

I quoted this but forgot to reply to it. Basically was just going to say that this makes Orb's lynch no fun. =/

 

[#HBC | Joker]

He should be around some time tonight. He was trying to catch up in the other game and made a few posts in the QT in the span of about 15 minutes, then went to work.

 

[Xivii]

@MOD: When's the deadline?

Wednesday 'round 3ish.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

ok, so I don't think I've done this yet. Here's where I wanna go toDay

Vote: Gheb

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Also, I dunno where the **** Orbo is. I could make a bull**** guess about when he'll be back at this point, but that's all it'd be. He's still MIA though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If soup is a no go I can dig.

Vote: Gheb

 

[Xivii]

Vote Count
4/7 to lynch

Gheb
soup
Red Ruy
No Hetero
Orboknown
sworddancer.
privatejoker brown

[collapse=Detailed]#Red Ruy votes soup
#No Hetero votes Orboknown
#soup votes Orboknown
---
#Gheb votes Orboknown
#PJB votes Gheb
#Red Ruy votes Gheb[/collapse]

 

[#HBC | Joker]

soup may be a go tomorrow. Dun like the look of the Orbo wagon, it's substance is weak.

Gheb's play so far looks like he's just poo pooing me and swords, and leading bad wagons.

 

[No Hetero]

1. That's true. I'm just weary of thinking this way because of the notion that scum wouldn't be so direct about playing to their win cons.

2. I think you've misinterpreted me. I wasn't trying to make the point that Gheb was afraid of being seen as sheeping, I was making the point that simply being suspicious of Gheb because of the stance he took held no water. If he had attacked Soup, then one could have just attacked him for sheeping, and if he defended Soup, one could have attacked him for posturing. I was trying to make it apparent that I'm not just attacking Gheb for the stance he took, but rather because of how inappropriate I felt it was.

3. ? I don't know what you're asking. To my knowledge the only thing that Gheb is drawing a town read from is the fact that he considers Soup "cleared." He didn't really say anything about town reading Soup after his outburst, he just went into detail about why the suspicion against Soup was bad.

4. Because it was uncalled for. Yes he can be a grump but nothing in this game should have caused him to go into grump mode to the magnitude that he did.

5. Ok

1. Wha? Is it opposite day? Like, I understand your skepticism with regards to scum doing things that town wouldn't expect them to do, but this is wearing thin amd I'm wary that you're gravitating towards the more complicated answer to why Gheb has been acting the way he has.

2. Reword this for me. How did his stance "hold no water"? Quote this if you've already gone over it, but the vague wording here doesn't arouse me.

3. K

4. Meditating on this but I'm leaning towards calling bull**** on this. I KNOW you've seen Gheb get pissed over **** that seems trivial before (uh no offense Gheb).

5. K

The Orbo wagon isn't "weak". What the ****? A lynch on an inactive will ALWAYS seem weak because they're inherently going to leave less for Town to pin them. See The Wall where I screamed for 4 days to lynch Raz who had roughly as many posts as he did letters in his name. While Gheb has "poo poo'd" on PJ+B, it has not been in a scummy way. He's criticized his play, but still acknowledged that PB+J is town. Also Kantplay pretty much got himself killed so I'm lost on this leading wagons accusation.

Man, do I hate inactive scum on SWF. They always get away by doing absolutely ****ing nothing.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll hammer tomorrow if he doesn't post but I want Gheb or Soup right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb's fine, but Orbo still hasn't provided anything. What makes you believe that Gheb is scum? I don't really see a reasoning here. Would he fake that screenshot deal knowing that scum were given two seperate PMs?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

-dead- @ people thinking I'm scum.

This better be a joke.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Your reasoning to be on Kantrip sucked, even more justifying a Quick hammer with it.

Lynching a player for being scummy as hell is bad reasoning now? You really need to teach me how to play this game some day.

Gheb you still need to clear up the air here. Tell us why we should believe you and Soup are cleared.

You don't have to if you don't want to. In fact, I'm not even sure whether soup is actually clear or not.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

We essentially did the same thing. How are you not sure that I'm clear? Wouldn't that say that you aren't either, despite claiming you were?

 

[Orboknown]

I hope your girls' night was as exciting as mine.

I tracked Orboknown last night to Gheb...meaning he MEANT to target PJB which I do not believe an innocent has any good protown reason for doing so. I am left to conclude that he is likely scum because I am fairly confident PJB sent in his night action first before (keep in mind NAR in this game is resolved on expediency) Orbo as evidenced by the former's activity around the beginning of the night as opposed the latter's inactivity.

Vote: Orboknown

Please explain your night action and the rationale behind it as well as answering the questions posed to you in Swordprancer's 217.

I painted as gheb because I figured anyone tracking me would actually track whoever I had painted as. meaning, I wanted gheb tracked since he was making a big deal out of the NA's and making sure no one targetted him(iirc?).

I'm a firm believer of 'lynch first, ask questions later.'

Ryu, you can have your little baby ****fit later, but you can't deny that Orbo isn't a good vote. I've calmed down now and I'm not going to put up with you nearly emulating what I was doing earlier. Either justify your previous reasoning or get a better one, because nobody is really keen on lynching me besides you.

I'm a good vote because I declared V/la soup? Dislike this vote.

Sword, I think you're the one who's playing to his scum meta the most in this game. I don't think you've been participating in this game by your town-standards and I don't think you have any noteworthy connections. That's very untypical for you.

Expand on this?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

On what?

We essentially did the same thing. How are you not sure that I'm clear? Wouldn't that say that you aren't either, despite claiming you were?

Aye, if people refuse to think I'm clear I couldn't really argue against it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That's not it at all. I'm not sure why you're cherrypicking this thread right now Orbo. Lay out your stances. It's likely you'll be the lynch today.

 

[Orboknown]

On what?

the bit about swords.

That's not it at all. I'm not sure why you're cherrypicking this thread right now Orbo. Lay out your stances. It's likely you'll be the lynch today.

Then what is it? I got that it was because I was inactive, and that was about it.

NH/swords/PJB town. want to lynch soup, could compromise to gheb. think that's everyone?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But why. Give me a why. You've been inactive for 3 days and your top priority was to just defend yourself. How are townreading NH, the guy who started the wagon on you?

 

[Orboknown]

RR. RRis nulltown.
vote:soup.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That has got to be, literally, the worst 2 posts I have ever seen in succession in the history of my time playing Mafia. Please answer me.

 

[Orboknown]

But why. Give me a why. You've been inactive for 3 days and your top priority was to just defend yourself. How are townreading NH, the guy who started the wagon on you?

I'm supposed to think that he's scum for starting a wagon on me? No. that's silly. Just because it's directed at me doesn't mean it's scummy fmpov.
Also you just admitted right here that it's me being inactive that has me being voted! why are you contradicting yourself?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What? What the hell are you saying? You've been inactive for 3 days. How is this a contradiction? Would you please be more clear instead of mashing on your keyboard? Inactivity plays a part but it's also the fact you were so silent. Not interested in the game. NH's 'case' seemed sufficient enough for me and I wanted you to do more.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't understand your townie thought process, let alone you going 'hm, surely PJB who has less of a reason is townie comparative to the scumbag soup who just wants to lynch me because I am inactive. Never mind that swords guy either, stating intent to hammer me. He's probably town too.'

I think you're just trying to save face. Even so far to try and push me on some sort of contradiction I never made. This isn't the thought process of a town Orbo let alone one of a townie. You don't come in here, 3 days without anything, and be so certain of your reads like this. Either back up your claims or taste my steel.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It's kinda like you collectively town-read every player not involved in current matters and somehow come to the conclusion that me and Gheb are scum. It's almost laughable, what makes me priority over Gheb?

 

[Orboknown]

What? What the hell are you saying? You've been inactive for 3 days. How is this a contradiction? Would you please be more clear instead of mashing on your keyboard? Inactivity plays a part but it's also the fact you were so silent. Not interested in the game. NH's 'case' seemed sufficient enough for me and I wanted you to do more.

I WAS V/LA SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. i MADE A POST ON MONDAY SAYING I WAS CATCHING UP IN GOLDEN SUN. Then i went to work. I put the actual game that went through the queue before this one. yu're saying inactivity isn't playing a part on this when you just said it is. that's a contradiction. the "case" was that I wasn't here and i got tracked to gheb, which I explained. what else do you want from me?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Jee, I don't know. More clarified stances.

Okay, what? If it wasn't inactivity, what was it? Jesus christ, are you trying to tell me I shouldn't have a reason to suspect because your post-count and effort in this game is minimum? Is that what you're trying to say. Please tell me how this contradiction is even relevant and how my reasoning is that of a scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote

@mod update on deadline