Mewtwo Patch "Dump"

[Wintry]

When you switch between modes, such as Classic or Training, the nametag you last used remains.

THANK GOD

 

[FallofBrawl]

Anyone has any new confirmation for Falco?

other than a better connecting up smash, not really

 

[Balgorxz]

other than a better connecting up smash, not really

dair lagg overlap is still in
perfect landing slide is still in

 

[Nu~]

So Pac-Man's grab is sped up? Some pacman mains are saying that it isn't.
Are his smashes faster?

 

[FallofBrawl]

Tested rob's uthrow for kill percents. Wii U wasn't updated, 3ds was, and the %'s are from fd at neutral position on 3 different characters (mario/puff/bowser)
3ds (1.06)
Mario-162
Puff- 131
Bowser- 180


Wii u {1.02}
Mario- 135
Puff- 107
Bowser- 149

Looks like the growth is very similar, only thing thats changed is the base KB. Roughly 30% more for the kill on about every character. An interesting side effect of this is Uthrow now sets up for combos at low%. Now you can get followups besides upair!

i legit think u throw connects with u smash at early percents, i dunno when it ends though

 

[DavemanCozy]

So Pac-Man's grab is sped up? Some pacman mains are saying that it isn't.
Are his smashes faster?

The endlag on whiff was sped up. That's all. The grab itself still takes the same amount to come out. It's extremely noticeable even without a side-by-side, the tractor beam doesn't linger there and goes back to Pac-Man faster.

@Luigi player Are you positive that Luigis Down B kills at a much higher percentage?

It was de-confirmed. Luigi Cyclone still KOs off the top. Probably wasn't being done properly.

 

[XyRCK]

Can anyone check the Jolt Haymaker? I feel it slowed and easily to stop. (Wii U)

 

[Earthboundy]

Any Ness changes?

 

[Ffamran]

I won't be able to check until maybe an hour, but @Gamegenie222 said Falco's D-throw does 5% now instead of 6%. Yay... Nerf the "bad" character.

 

[Dracule]

This thread is not 100% correct. Shulk's counter got nurfed hard and it says here Shulk is unchanged which is not right. I've been playing with Shulk since the 3DS came out so I know for sure he got nurfed. I've been testing his counter over and over and it is less active now than before. His counter was my favorite move to use and now I have noticed that it got nurfed hard. Less active frames than before.

 

[MarkT]

It seems like mario's up-tilts can be DI'd away from now? Can anyone confirm?

 

[Flamecircle]

Also FYI: The blastzones on the 3ds are different, so I'm not sure if it'll match whatever data we're all citing.

 

[aleckermit]

What a mess this is... You're telling me a reputable source doesn't have two Wii U's (one updated and one not updated) to compare changes side-by-side with? There's so much misinformation floating around, it's sickening.

 

[Nimyu]

Tested rob's uthrow for kill percents. Wii U wasn't updated, 3ds was, and the %'s are from fd at neutral position on 3 different characters (mario/puff/bowser)
3ds (1.06)
Mario-162
Puff- 131
Bowser- 180


Wii u {1.02}
Mario- 135
Puff- 107
Bowser- 149

Looks like the growth is very similar, only thing thats changed is the base KB. Roughly 30% more for the kill on about every character. An interesting side effect of this is Uthrow now sets up for combos at low%. Now you can get followups besides upair!

I thought 3DS and Wii U had different blast zones from both left and right and top?

 

[Dracule]

Also Ness' PK fire is now easier to DI out of. Can confirm. Tested it and its easier to DI out of.

 

[Thinkaman]

deconfirming supposed changes to villager f-smash and tree duration

This thread is not 100% correct. Shulk's counter got nurfed hard and it says here Shulk is unchanged which is not right. I've been playing with Shulk since the 3DS came out so I know for sure he got nurfed. I've been testing his counter over and over and it is less active now than before. His counter was my favorite move to use and now I have noticed that it got nurfed hard. Less active frames than before.

You're tearing me apart lisa!

 

[Muro]

Lucina: approx. 0.5% damage increases

is this 0.005 damage increase or is it a typo and you meant 50%?

 

[Road Death Wheel]

What a mess this is... You're telling me a reputable source doesn't have two Wii U's (one updated and one not updated) to compare changes side-by-side with? There's so much misinformation floating around, it's sickening.

go complain on 4chan then.

 

[Ffamran]

What a mess this is... You're telling me a reputable source doesn't have two Wii U's (one updated and one not updated) to compare changes side-by-side with? There's so much misinformation floating around, it's sickening.

It's more of there are few reliable sources here such as Thinkaman, Indigo Jeans, and some others and other people throwing out claims along with placebo effects everywhere. Also, there's like 53 characters and that takes time to go through.

 

[FirstaLasto]

I think Kirby moves slightly faster on the ground while charging Hammer, but its difficult to tell for sure.

 

[Super FOG]

A+B=fsmash

turn it off in control setting...

weird... can't think of a use for it... like tap jump.

Pivot F-smash will become miles easier in this way, I'm already practicing this with Mario and Palutena.

 

[Tuvillo]

Is it possible that I'm no longer able to use Shulk Side-Taunt on Wi-Fi?

 

[TearNine]

Holding Up/Down with the stick and and trying to do a smash in that direction with the C stick no longer does a tilt.

 

[Shinobi1]

you are now able to wall jump on kalos league

 

[ToonKake]

hmmm doesnt seem Not Too much has been Changed since slight Nerfs/Buffs & what do ya kno NUFFIN happend to Greninja lol

 

[sogeki]

WARIO'S FMASH CAN KILL AT 80% NOW
GET HYPED @WwwWario

 

[DairunCates]

AFAIK, the only change is uair nerfed from 11% to 10%.

*sigh* Yep. Clearly WFT needed a slight nerf. *head desk*

 

[~ Gheb ~]

WARIO'S FMASH CAN KILL AT 80% NOW
GET HYPED @WwwWario

It could always do that.

 

[Poltergust]

WARIO'S FMASH CAN KILL AT 80% NOW
GET HYPED @WwwWario

The way he phrased it made it seem as if that move was weak before, when it wasn't.

 

[heroponrikidavid]

Wii Fit Trainer getting nerfed slightly with no buffs is the most baffling thing about this patch. I wonder if maybe they have records of the most frequently used moves for each character and realized uair was being used too much, then made the erroneous assumption that uair was too good rather than her other moves being terrible.

 

[DairunCates]

Wii Fit Trainer getting nerfed slightly with no buffs is the most baffling thing about this patch. I wonder if maybe they have records of the most frequently used moves for each character and realized uair was being used too much, then made the erroneous assumption that uair was too good rather than her other moves being terrible.

It happened last patch too. Her air dodge lag was nearly doubled and the foot hitbox on fair had the unblockable property removed. So, I'm not TOO shocked at this point, just saddened.

Here's still hoping on the off chance we find ONE positive thing in this patch to at least break even.

 

[Shyguymask]

Did Mr. Game And Watch got changed? Did Daddy Sakurai treat him nicely?

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

a lot of characters this patch seem to have either need neglected entirely when they shouldn't have or received nerfs to things that didn't need nerfing. i doubt they are going to respond to fan backlash and fix things when mewtwo is formally released but i wonder where they are pooling their information from that lead them to think some of these changes we what people thought were needed and if they are planning another balance/bug patch when lucas drops in june.

 

[DaRkJaWs]

I bet Lucas is actually an excuse to fix any of the recent changes they made in case they went too far or forgot to fix or overlooked some bugs.

 

[Rikkhan]

does greninja can still do the Shadow sneak techs (infinite SS, running SS and shield SS)?

 

[zeldasmash]

Wii Fit Trainer getting nerfed slightly with no buffs is the most baffling thing about this patch. I wonder if maybe they have records of the most frequently used moves for each character and realized uair was being used too much, then made the erroneous assumption that uair was too good rather than her other moves being terrible.

Link's Jab 1 being nerfed the way it is is another baffling change. Sure Spin Attack is stronger, but Jab 1 was essential to Link's gameplay and now this happened......

 

[DairunCates]

Air dodge landing lag was added to make it match the rest of the cast.

WFT's u-smash can connect on grounded opponents that aren't Yao Ming's height now, which is pretty good. Can you confirm whether or not her grab range has improved vertically?

Yeah. I know the rationale. It was still a nerf to a character that was considered weak even then.

As for the Usmash. We actually have someone with 2 copies testing these things out on the WFT board, and apparently the Usmash hitbox buff was a placebo effect going off. At the very best, it's not nearly as high of a hitbox buff as people thought. There were similar tests down for throws as well and it doesn't seem to have any changes either. Knockback doesn't seem to have been affected on any of her moves. At least currently, most of the supposed changes to her seem to be because people just didn't play much of her before.

It is, either way, still baffling that a move that kills at fairly high percentages needed a random 1% damage nerf.

 

[Gionni]

a lot of characters this patch seem to have either need neglected entirely when they shouldn't have or received nerfs to things that didn't need nerfing. i doubt they are going to respond to fan backlash and fix things when mewtwo is formally released but i wonder where they are pooling their information from that lead them to think some of these changes we what people thought were needed and if they are planning another balance/bug patch when lucas drops in june.

At least they nerfed Diddy

 

[Rikkhan]

well reading the greninja forums it seems that the shadow sneak techs are gone, not a direct nerf but still not nice

 

[check_mate]

Subtle nerf overall to ZSS.

• Dash attack nerfed from 10% to 8%. This was one of her better approaches. Now it does less damage.
• Ftilt buffed from 6% to 7%. Almost negligible as ftilt is unsafe on sheild and is hardly ever used when her jab is a better tool to get them off you.