Mewtwo Patch "Dump"

[epic11]

Bowser jr's fsmash has a larger hitbox

 

[Mattrack10]

Also I noticed that rosalina's side special (star bits) seems to do less damage. If all bits hit it will do 6 damage; and I believe it was higher before the patch

 

[LimitCrown]

Also I noticed that rosalina's side special (star bits) seems to do less damage. If all bits hit it will do 6 damage; and I believe it was higher before the patch

Rosalina & Luma's Star Bits seem to deal a total of 8.4% damage, which is the same as it was before. I don't notice a difference between the two moves.

 

[Gagneto]

can someone confirm/deconfirm less landing lag on Lucina's and Marth's Bair? not sure if it has been brought it up yet (didn't read ALL 31 pages), the placebo might be working on me

 

[ParanoidDrone]

Protip to people worried about DI in training mode: Set the AI to "control." This forces the dummy to do literally nothing and wait for input from a second controller. DI-free testing, whooo!

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Is there a more up-to-date collection of patch notes somewhere?

 

[brainsh0ck]

Hey, i noticed the Replays and the Album load MUCH faster in the 3DS version.

 

[Matías Avilés]

Hi guys, i've been doing some testing about Fthrow for Pit/Dark pit both of the characters, Maybe some people noticed but it doesn't kill as early as it used to be, before patch around 120% killed on ledge

This was all tested in final destination ON ledge, against Mario, at 150% you get the smash spark but may not kill if DI done well
at 160 or more it's almost a 100% kill secure

As for Dark pit the results we're almost the same except Fthrow appears to be slightly better than pit's, and by slightly i mean, Really slightly,

Also an interesting thing is that Fthrow appears to not be changed by Rage effect, i checked the diference between 0% and 150%
And it's almost unnoticeable.

This was all tested in 3DS not yet Wii U,
Please confirm.

 

[Jya]

Hi guys, i've been doing some testing about Fthrow for Pit/Dark pit both of the characters, Maybe some people noticed but it doesn't kill as early as it used to be, before patch around 120% killed on ledge

This was all tested in final destination ON ledge, against Mario, at 150% you get the smash spark but may not kill if DI done well
at 160 or more it's almost a 100% kill secure

As for Dark pit the results we're almost the same except Fthrow appears to be slightly better than pit's, and by slightly i mean, Really slightly,

Also an interesting thing is that Fthrow appears to not be changed by Rage effect, i checked the diference between 0% and 150%
And it's almost unnoticeable.

This was all tested in 3DS not yet Wii U,
Please confirm.

Were you testing it in training mode? Rage does not apply in training mode, that might have been why you didn't get results with rage.

 

[KentaBradley]

Anyone tried Palutena yet? any changes to her?

 

[Dark Dire Wolf]

Is it just me, or have level 9 CPU been buffed?

 

[LancerStaff]

Hi guys, i've been doing some testing about Fthrow for Pit/Dark pit both of the characters, Maybe some people noticed but it doesn't kill as early as it used to be, before patch around 120% killed on ledge

This was all tested in final destination ON ledge, against Mario, at 150% you get the smash spark but may not kill if DI done well
at 160 or more it's almost a 100% kill secure

As for Dark pit the results we're almost the same except Fthrow appears to be slightly better than pit's, and by slightly i mean, Really slightly,

Also an interesting thing is that Fthrow appears to not be changed by Rage effect, i checked the diference between 0% and 150%
And it's almost unnoticeable.

This was all tested in 3DS not yet Wii U,
Please confirm.

It's always been like that, nobody talks about it because it's only a difference of a percent.

 

[Moderate skill]

Neutral Air deals 16 if all hits connect (near the bottom) but less if only one hit connects. Higher up, it still deals 14%.

If all hits of header connect, it deals 27 damage, up from 23. The projectile itself seems unchanged, so this might mean the spike hitbox is stronger.

Utilt is now 9%, up from 8.

Up air does 11% at the top (hands) but 8 for the other hitboxes. (From 10? Does anyone know if it did this before?)

Fsmash now does 17% at the hands, which I think is more than before. (15%?)

 

[LimitCrown]

Neutral Air deals 16 if all hits connect (near the bottom) but less if only one hit connects. Higher up, it still deals 14%.

If all hits of header connect, it deals 27 damage, up from 23. The projectile itself seems unchanged, so this might mean the spike hitbox is stronger.

Utilt is now 9%, up from 8.

Up air does 11% at the top (hands) but 8 for the other hitboxes. (From 10? Does anyone know if it did this before?)

Fsmash now does 17% at the hands, which I think is more than before. (15%?)

Damage values don't seem to be any different from before. I can't get any of the damage values that you've listed.

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Ness's Back Air had it's KB Reduced.
PK Fire end animation got increased endlag.
Ness's misgrab animation got more endlag.

 

[Fredlepop]

Ness's Back Air had it's KB Reduced.
PK Fire end animation got increased endlag.
Ness's misgrab animation got more endlag.

Can anyone confirm this? I haven't felt anything different with Ness.

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Can anyone confirm this? I haven't felt anything different with Ness.

I've been playing Ness for a while. I know one thing that I can confirm is the nerf on his KB. It doesn't kill as high.

 

[BeatMax Sakuraba]

Definitely gonna go through Yoshi and Sonic today.

We know so far that Sonic's Backthrow KB was nerfed, along with fully charged spindash damage being nerfed to 7%

 

[Sinister Slush]

While Yoshi got absolutely no changes outside of a worthless ledge getup attack buff.

 

[CaptainZer0dew]

We know so far that Sonic's Backthrow KB was nerfed, along with fully charged spindash damage being nerfed to 7%

Sonic's backthrow was given to Mario

They should've given Pit/Dark Pit more end lag on smash attacks.
They also should've given Link some more end lag on his down smash.

 

[MASTER719]

ZSS up tilt was definitely nerfed. It's slower starting up and doesn't "suck in" opponents like it used to.

 

[CaptainZer0dew]

Ness's Back Air had it's KB Reduced.
PK Fire end animation got increased endlag.
Ness's misgrab animation got more endlag.

Why did his PK Fire get more end lag?

Because those characters are somehow cheap and are in desperate need of nerfs?

I don't see why either of those characters need more end lag.

(Dark)Pit can kill super early with their forward smash, even if you roll behind them it's like a jab you can't escape.

 

[ZephyrZ]

(Dark)Pit can kill super early with their forward smash, even if you roll behind them it's like a jab you can't escape.

The Pits are hardly broken, though, and it's not exactly like that attack is spamable.

It's not a bad thing for a character to have a powerful attack every now and then.

 

[CaptainZer0dew]

The Pits are hardly broken, though, and it's not exactly like that attack is spamable.

It's not a bad thing for a character to have a powerful attack every now and then.

I'm not saying it's bad, but if Ness' bat does 22% without being charged and has end lag (Same with Captain Falcon who does 19-20% uncharged and has a lot of end lag) then why can't the Pits if they do 20 or however much Dark Pit's does without it being charged.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm not saying it's bad, but if Ness' bat does 22% without being charged and has end lag (Same with Captain Falcon who does 19-20% uncharged and has a lot of end lag) then why can't the Pits if they do 20 or however much Dark Pit's does without it being charged.

Dark Pit does the same amount.

...Not every character is balanced the same. It's best not to look at the single move but to instead look at the character as a whole.

 

[FallofBrawl]

I'm not saying it's bad, but if Ness' bat does 22% without being charged and has end lag (Same with Captain Falcon who does 19-20% uncharged and has a lot of end lag) then why can't the Pits if they do 20 or however much Dark Pit's does without it being charged.

That's a horrible way to look at balance.

 

[LRodC]

Ness' bat also has more knockback and can reflect projectiles. It's deserving of the end lag and damage alone isn't the best way to look at things.

 

[SlayerZay]

Did they do much to Sheik?

 

[LRodC]

Did they do much to Sheik?

Back air and down tilt were nerfed I believe. Look at the OP.

 

[Bombchu Link]

What I've found:

Toon link's Usmash hitboxes are bigger
Toon Link's Uair hitbox is smaller

Mario can't throw fireballs as fast? (only in the air??)

That's all so far.

 

[Krypton]

do you all mean to say that Greninja has not, in fact, been nerfed?

 

[Mr.TarantinoMan]

Charizard's rock smash appears to be faster than before, and Zss' grab seems faster and has less end lag.

 

[Moydow]

Zss' grab seems faster and has less end lag.

No, it isn't.

 

[HeroMystic]

Mario can't throw fireballs as fast? (only in the air??)

This is false.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Villagers recovery got nerfed. It is now significantly harder to recover with one balloon. Forgive me if this was already brought up

You're going to need to be more specific, popping a balloon always crippled the distance it would get (just good luck popping a balloon without hitting Villager to avoid resetting it).

 

[viewtifulduck82]

You're going to need to be more specific, popping a balloon always crippled the distance it would get (just good luck popping a balloon without hitting Villager to avoid resetting it).

As in, now no matter how hard you try, you just sink with one balloon, no upward movement.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

As in, now no matter how hard you try, you just sink with one balloon, no upward movement.

That sounds like exactly how it worked before.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

That sounds like exactly how it worked before.

Nah before it was just severely slowed down with not as much distance

 

[SpenyEX]

I have been unable to do glitch with Ness Wuhu Island.