Metagame Advancement Thread

[Prawn]

its pointless tho if you're already cging them for that long just kill them and take the stock.

that being said i like smash hobbling cause its faster and thats always a good thing imo

 

[kackamee]

I just smash hobble because it looks cool, and you get more damage faster.

 

[Smoom77]

But like I said, immediate dthrow or fthrow to keep them from mashing.

 

[Aglow]

I love how I got **** on a month ago for suggesting smash hobble > hobble here on the IC boards.

 

[Smoom77]

I still don't suggest it.

 

[EverAlert]

As people have said, the "advantage" in smash hobbling is purely increased damage racking speed. Yes, regular hobbling is easier... but if as ICs players we are perfectly willing to rely on something as fiddly and difficult as the various forms of alt chaingrabbing, then I see no reason why we can't also be perfectly willing to smash hobble. I support it wholeheartedly.

Also, on the topic of throw spiking vs continuing chaingrabs... I am definitely in the "continuing chaingrabs" camp because it makes so much more sense to me. Ultimately it's an argument of whether you want to rely on your own ability to chaingrab... or your opponent's lack of ability to SDI. Why should I hope that my opponent isn't good enough to escape a spike (and it's really not even hard) and hold their stock, when I can simply demand the stock with my own skills? Have more faith in your abilities as a player of this character.

 

[Smoom77]

Ultimately it's an argument of whether you want to rely on your own ability to chaingrab... or your opponent's lack of ability to mash. Why should I hope that my opponent isn't good enough to escape a grab (and it's really not even hard) and hold their stock, when I can simply demand the stock with my own skills? Have more faith in your abilities as a player of this character.

Your second paragraph completely applies to smash hobbling.

 

[EverAlert]

hahaha david too good, you're the king.

 

[Smoom77]

But really, doesn't it make sense?

 

[swordgard]

But really, doesn't it make sense?

Indeed, smash hobbling is just as much subject to mash out as regular hobbling.

Edit: I hope all of you grab on frame 1 of the hitlag(you are grabbing the guy during fsmash hitlag). That being very unlikely, it means that it is very escapable.

 

[Smoom77]

Can someone comment if buffering another throw after hobbling would work? D:

 

[swordgard]

Can someone comment if buffering another throw after hobbling would work? D:

I am pretty sure you grab too fast if you do that.

 

[Smoom77]

What? You mean throw too fast?

 

[toobusytocare]

yeah, nana hasnt had enough time to land and start jumping again if you buffer the bthrow

 

[Smoom77]

But like I said, immediate dthrow or fthrow to keep them from mashing.

^

No, I mean dthrow or fthrow. They are much slower than bthrow.

 

[ch33s3]

No, I mean dthrow or fthrow. They are much slower than bthrow.

I know what you're talking about and yes, dthrow works. It's what I use.

 

[Prawn]

**** i dont even understand what you people are sayong in thsi treead

when i grab people i always miietely dthrow dthrow unless they're at high percents

then ij ust wait and bthrow if they're over 75 or so

does that answer your question?

 

[DeLux]

**** i dont even understand what you people are sayong in thsi treead

when i grab people i always miietely dthrow dthrow unless they're at high percents

then ij ust wait and bthrow if they're over 75 or so

does that answer your question?

They're talking about buffering a hobble throw to prevent mashing out when hobbling.

What you're talking about is the tech used to transition into a CG while preventing an opponent mash out.

 

[Smoom77]

He's trolling, ignore him

 

[Teh Future]

stop reading this **** and practice your chaingrabs LOL

 

[napZzz]

stop reading this **** and practice your chaingrabs LOL

ganondr0f

looooo

 

[Teh Future]

fuuuuuuuuuck you are lucky im not comin to jokers this weekend.

its k though youll prob loose to a link or something so lol

 

[Prawn]

i wasnt trolling i was drunk


but **** i had to wake up early

g
aaaaaaaaaaaay

 

[Smoom77]

When you're drunk you're trolling.

 

[Teh-Shlurpie]

best IC metagame = SoPo.

seriously underestimating SoPo gets you killed .

is it worth learning the Nana edgehog, whilst sopo remains on stage?

 

[Smoom77]

I use that only when I belay on and I get Popo to get up while Nana is still on the ledge. It works some times, but the frame time is small that Nana still has after you get up.

 

[Latias]

you cant advance, i mean all you have are infinities

 

[swordgard]

you cant advance, i mean all you have are infinities

I hope your kidding, because it seems to me like every day I have something I need to improve on/find something new.

 

[FrozenHobo]

ignore latias. he's convinced distant planet is a CP.

 

[swordgard]

ignore latias. he's convinced distant planet is a CP.

I am convinced it will be at some point.

 

[Rubberbandman]

you cant advance, i mean all you have are infinities

No trolling. If you are completely serious about us having no advancement go to another ****ty character.

Have a Nice Day.

 

[kackamee]

I am convinced it will be at some point.

Better then Norfair IMO.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Still don't see how Distant Planet is even close to viable.

Japes is much better than both of those, and yet MLG doesn't have that.

 

[Latias]

when did this turn into the distant planet is more viable then half the counterpicks (which is completely true and ive brought up all evidence frozenhobo has asked for and he has then conceded and given up on that argument) anyways, what i meant was ive never seen an ic win against a half average player without using an infinite. ics = get a grab to win.

 

[Prawn]

i got on the new england power rankings dropping grabs in every single set
rofl copter

step up yo combos

 

[FrozenHobo]

when did this turn into the distant planet is more viable then half the counterpicks (which is completely true and ive brought up all evidence frozenhobo has asked for and he has then conceded and given up on that argument) anyways, what i meant was ive never seen an ic win against a half average player without using an infinite. ics = get a grab to win.

linking me to 2 year old tourneys and ancient wiki pages does not count as evidence.

edit: and those last 3 "tourneys" you linked me to still had it in banned.

 

[Rubberbandman]

when did this turn into the distant planet is more viable then half the counterpicks (which is completely true and ive brought up all evidence frozenhobo has asked for and he has then conceded and given up on that argument) anyways, what i meant was ive never seen an ic win against a half average player without using an infinite. ics = get a grab to win.

I've beaten my friend on wifi who is on the same skill level as me without a single CG.

Invalid.

 

[Latias]

linking me to 2 year old tourneys and ancient wiki pages does not count as evidence.

edit: and those last 3 "tourneys" you linked me to still had it in banned.

the aib one did not have it banned, the other 2 did. and i linked you to the official sbr stage list, if you're going to flame, at least include everything..

 

[FrozenHobo]

the official SBR list that was last updated in april of 2009.

it is not legal, it will never be legal.

 

[Latias]

the official SBR list that was last updated in april of 2009.

it is not legal, it will never be legal.

ASK THEM TO UPDATE IT THEN

and anyways a quote from a true hero

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Latias
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when did this turn into the distant planet is more viable then half the counterpicks (which is completely true and ive brought up all evidence frozenhobo has asked for and he has then conceded and given up on that argument) anyways back on topic