Meta Knight's Revenge: The Official Match-Up Thread *Wario* -> GO

[Player-4]

Don't be stupid, 70-30 is a hard counter. MK does not hard counter Wario. Simple as that.

Seeing as how Wario can completely outrun MK if he gets the lead, camp for farts, and kill MK a hell of a lot earlier than MK can kill him actually matters; 6-4. No more, no less.

And are you seriously using M2K as the bar for match up? If that's really the case then it's 60-40 Diddy's favor against MK >_>. Use your head.

You need to think of match ups in the respect of characters and not players. We're talking about even skill level. Judge is obviously not on M2K's level.

And lol at pulling up a video to "prove" your point.

70-30 Wario's favor. I mean he beat M2K...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TPT0YV1bz4

>_>

 

[Virtual Kruncher]

Beating M2K? Hard,

Beating M2K on Brinstar? Brutal,

Beating M2K on Brinstar with Wario? Impossible.

/discussion.

 

[z00ted]

Don't be stupid, 70-30 is a hard counter. MK does not hard counter Wario. Simple as that.

Seeing as how Wario can completely outrun MK if he gets the lead, camp for farts, and kill MK a hell of a lot earlier than MK can kill him actually matters; 6-4. No more, no less.

And are you seriously using M2K as the bar for match up? If that's really the case then it's 60-40 Diddy's favor against MK >_>. Use your head.

You need to think of match ups in the respect of characters and not players. We're talking about even skill level. Judge is obviously not on M2K's level.

And lol at pulling up a video to "prove" your point.

70-30 Wario's favor. I mean he beat M2K...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TPT0YV1bz4

>_>

So what if I used M2K as a prime example?
He's proving what DMG and I have stated, perfectly.
Sorry - do you want me to find some other video?
This was the first one to come to mind.

 

[etecoon]

the problem isn't that you used M2K as an example

it's that you used M2K(best MK in the world) vs judge(secondary wario)



this ain't even though, wtf -_-

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Don't be stupid, 70-30 is a hard counter. MK does not hard counter Wario. Simple as that.

That's your opinion.

 

[Player-4]

So what if I used M2K as a prime example?
He's proving what DMG and I have stated, perfectly.
Sorry - do you want me to find some other video?
This was the first one to come to mind.

Lol no. I just want you to think of the match up in character match ups, not player match ups. M2K destroys every MK out there. Does that mean it's 60-40 MKs favor vs MK? You see how silly that sounds?

Compare characters, not players.

Think of both characters in the hands of equally skilled players. That's how you go about with match up ratios.

 

[Kaffei]

I agree with P4. It's not fair to say that MK ***** Wario by using M2K (Best Meta Knight) vs Judge (doesn't even main Wario) as an example.

 

[DMG]

I discredit both videos provided because of their age. The metagame for those time periods concerning that matchup have greatly shifted.

I remember a long time ago, back at Hobo 11, that Wario "potentially" in that metagame went even with MK. This was before it was well known of MK's Upb invincibility and some of his frame traps, and back when people had no real notions of "timing out". From that point, leap a year ahead and you get to those videos. Leap another Year and you get to where we are today. The matchup has not improved for Wario as time has passed, rather it has become more clear that he struggles.

 

[DMG]

Edit: Wtf it posted two times

 

[Queen B. Kyon]

Yes Red I name searched it and I agree. This thread actually exists. The entire cast loses to mk. XD even Mk loses to Mk...... except M2K.

 

[Player-4]

I discredit both videos provided because of their age. The metagame for those time periods concerning that matchup have greatly shifted.

I remember a long time ago, back at Hobo 11, that Wario "potentially" in that metagame went even with MK. This was before it was well known of MK's Upb invincibility and some of his frame traps, and back when people had no real notions of "timing out". From that point, leap a year ahead and you get to those videos. Leap another Year and you get to where we are today. The matchup has not improved for Wario as time has passed, rather it has become more clear that he struggles.

DMG, my video was a joke lol. I wasn't trying to put anything in Wario's favor or use the video as a good basis for anything, I was just showing how easy it is to pull up an old video to prove a point.

Read my whole post next time

 

[z00ted]

Fine, its 65:35 at best.

 

[KassandraNova]

He's like Ron Jeremy, Lexington Steele, and Peter North together as a Swashbuckling monster that will f*** anything that moves with the sheer velocity of a Million Rhinoceros. He's like Captain Hook if he caught Peter Pan and destroyed Neverland and turned it into an Indian Casino.

I can't conjure up anymore analogies to explicitly illustrate for you just how Raw and Savagely MK takes care of business against Wario.

Wow. Okay, point proven. @_@

I just got to learn the match up. Also it's comments like this that make me happy I play MK.
<3 lolollll

 

[Max Ketchum]

A girl that doesn't play Zelda, Peach, or Pikachu (or possibly Kirby)?

Oh man.

 

[DMG]

Spells trouble

 

[Virtual Kruncher]

Spells trouble

Amen. .

 

[KassandraNova]

I'm no trouble! Just a humble Mk player who likes to play to win!
;P

 

[Kaffei]

Then go to tourneys that allow scrooging & do that

 

[ぱみゅ]

Wario trying to jump being MetaKnight on platform seems ********.
Yet, I still don't think this MU (nor Snake, Diddy or Marth) that bad for them.

Wario can just SHIELD when close of MK, manage to get space, and then jump (unless MK is on platforms. That's asking to get punished).
60:40, just becasue 65:35 is exaggerated.

@the vid: Brinstar is one of Wario's worst, and one of MK's best stages.
Plus, he's ****ing M2K! He's more than only character matchups, he totally reads opponents to **** them out of anything.

 

[Max Ketchum]

lol at Brinstar being one of Wario's worst stages

 

[Punishment Divine]

Wario trying to jump being MetaKnight on platform seems ********.
Yet, I still don't think this MU (nor Snake, Diddy or Marth) that bad for them.

Wario can just SHIELD when close of MK, manage to get space, and then jump (unless MK is on platforms. That's asking to get punished).
60:40, just becasue 65:35 is exaggerated.

@the vid: Brinstar is one of Wario's worst, and one of MK's best stages.
Plus, he's ****ing M2K! He's more than only character matchups, he totally reads opponents to **** them out of anything.

WTF @ all of this "information". Not even certain if I can call it that.

 

[Kaffei]

Wario trying to jump being MetaKnight on platform seems ********.
Yet, I still don't think this MU (nor Snake, Diddy or Marth) that bad for them.

Wario can just SHIELD when close of MK, manage to get space, and then jump (unless MK is on platforms. That's asking to get punished).
60:40, just becasue 65:35 is exaggerated.

@the vid: Brinstar is one of Wario's worst, and one of MK's best stages.
Plus, he's ****ing M2K! He's more than only character matchups, he totally reads opponents to **** them out of anything.

..............

 

[ぱみゅ]

Well, I've never been able to randomly move there, since most opponents often waits above the platforms to punish pretty everything I try (specially the disjointed ones).
I haven't really analyzed other Warios there, tho (I'm not even a Wario user, and I don't really care about maining it).

 

[Punishment Divine]

Well, I've never been able to randomly move there, since most opponents often waits above the platforms to punish pretty everything I try (specially the disjointed ones).
I haven't really analyzed other Warios there, tho (I'm not even a Wario user, and I don't really care about maining it).

I read this in Toki's voice from Dethklok rofllllll

 

[Orion*]

A girl that doesn't play Zelda, Peach, or Pikachu (or possibly Kirby)?

Oh man.

my ex played boozer XDDD

 

[Max Ketchum]

Cause Boozer sooooo cute.

 

[Virtual Kruncher]

my ex played boozer XDDD

...

 

[Punishment Divine]

My wife plays Pit and DDD =D

 

[Kaffei]

How do I fight Olimar

 

[Orion*]

1: spam dairs and then run up and nado above pivot grab height
2: did you get a percent lead? if you didnt then go back to step one
3: if you got a lead run away
4: timer runs out
5: ???????????????
6: profit

 

[Kaffei]

fk dat yo.

 

[Orion*]

then just gimp him lol character has no recovery

edit: or you can post what specifically is ****** you in the mu so i can help

 

[Kaffei]

ok I'm dairing and then he throw those stupid creatures at me
so then I tried dairing and then air dodging through the pikmin so then that worked but then he just grabs me

I nado and then he shields (I'm probably just being too predictable with nado) Idk I just can't approach well.

 

[Orion*]

what in gods name...

k

lets say x is olimar and M is mk (ignore stars swf ia gay and wont let me do spaces)


*****M
________x________



if youre dairing from a 45 degree angle he cant throw pikmin at you. if he stays grounded and does it it wont hit you. if he jumps push b he Will get hit by it.

if the ***** upsmashes watch and get out of the range of it, ESPECIALLY purple omfg. if you space right he has to dash first so itll give you a little warning and time to get out of the way. i pref just jump up higher because that conditions them to jump and uair to punish me. if they do you can nado them and then juggle = stock

if you read the usmash ff airdodge out of the range and dsmash him in the end lag but everyone has their method of punishing stuff

if you read a roll or anything else just nado

if you have pikmin on you nair

 

[Kaffei]

omfg purple is so gay -_-

 

[Orion*]

lemme guess you played logic?

 

[Kaffei]

lemme guess you played logic?

nah, I played Noraa, he played logic a couple times & copied stuff from Logic. Noraa mains GW but he plays Olimar too

 

[Max Ketchum]

Olimar decimates Meta Knight on wifi and at low levels of play (not like there's a difference, olololol!).

 

[Kaffei]

Olimar decimates Meta Knight on wifi <-ew and at low levels of play (not like there's a difference, olololol!).

Someone please take me to a smashfest or something -_-

 

[Orion*]

Olimar decimates Meta Knight on wifi and at low levels of play (not like there's a difference, olololol!).

god i laddered dabuz once. never again
missed timing him out game 2 by 2% **** was stale

game 3 i take him to brinstar and hes at 150 im at like 70 last stock w/ a min on the timer and get purple usmashed in lag. raged so hard at the wifi XDDDD

Someone please take me to a smashfest or something -_-

im trying to go to md/va this sat if i can. prolly wont be able to but trying :3