Meta Knight "Did You Know?" Thread

[-LzR-]

Dtilt extends your hurtbox about a mile so when powershielded you are screwed.

 

[BluePeachy100]

did you know bouncing a tornado off the ground makes it easier to buffer? :D

 

[GimR]

Short hop n-air
Buffer aerial up-b
Cancel up-b with jump ASAP
Repeat steps 2 and 3 as many times as you want

Instead of doing an aerial up-b you can double jump and do an aerial instead

 

[demonictoonlink]

Did you know a shielded fair (MK vs MK) leads to a dash grab? I'm pretty sure the only way to avoid this is to space so hard that you either do not touch their shield to begin with or have only the first two hits strike the shield as you DI away.

Not if you fastfall and buffer a dtilt

 

[Staco]

Short hop n-air
Buffer aerial up-b
Cancel up-b with jump ASAP
Repeat steps 2 and 3 as many times as you want

Instead of doing an aerial up-b you can double jump and do an aerial instead

this is a troll, right?

 

[GimR]

this is a troll, right?

No sir, this is true, I knew this since like month 6 of Brawl but didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to help MK's metagame. Mew2king has known about this for quite a while

 

[Staco]

No sir, this is true, I knew this since like month 6 of Brawl but didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to help MK's metagame. Mew2king has known about this for quite a while

I try to do it, but it doesn´t work for me.
You have to do the jump after the full up b animation is finished?
Do you have to cancel the glide or somewhat?

edit:
okay, it works for me now
but doesn´t seem to be to usefull
I will still try around with it a bit

 

[Exdeath]

No sir, this is true, I knew this since like month 6 of Brawl but didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to help MK's metagame. Mew2king has known about this for quite a while

I made a post about that almost a month ago, along with Nair>foot stool>stuff being a frame-trap.

 

[V]

Did you know dtilt > buffered super fast ftilt pretty much ***** everybody's spot dodge. (Marth and falco come to mind). Also if your holding the ledge vs snake and he dj cyphers a ledge JUMP reverse shuttle loop will hit him before his air dodge. And in case you forgot we're invincible for our entire ledge jump so ledge jump to buffered aerials is super safe vs characters that can actually ledge trap us. People need to ledge jump more.

Edit: PS, full hop retreated bair ***** nado in the ditto. Rar bair to buffered tilts/GSL on marths shield is awesome (if you barely poke and retreat it considering marth lives off punishing mk oos). Everybody needs to claw grip and everybody needs to learn walk away turnaround non crouching dtilt. Kinda hard but very usefull

 

[Staco]

I don´t think turnaround walk away DTilt works that well. There are better options, if you get your opponent to run into you, when walking away.

You can **** tornado with a lot of different moves, not just bair.

 

[V]

I don´t think turnaround walk away DTilt works that well. There are better options, if you get your opponent to run into you, when walking away.

You can **** tornado with a lot of different moves, not just bair.

how when dtilt comes out in 3 frames...

 

[Staco]

It got ending lag and stuff.


Did you know that Sonic counters MK?

 

[Kaffei]

Wtf kind of logic is that
99% of moves in the game have end lag

 

[Exdeath]

how when dtilt comes out in 3 frames...

It's safe, but pivot grab is generally better if you're making a read due to the much better reward (~3x the guaranteed damage, better momentum, kills at very high percents, etc.).

Walk-away Dtilt is good, however.

 

[Staco]

Dunno, that DTilt stuff just doesn´t work that well for me.
I also can´t find much options to use it.
I tried to experiment with it a bit, after I read it, but I just can´t find good uses.

If you get your enemy missing you by walking away you can punish him much harder.
If he keeps running at you I would choose other options, such as dashgrab towards him or spaced FTilt/Aerials.

 

[Exdeath]

Dunno, that DTilt stuff just doesn´t work that well for me.
I also can´t find much options to use it.
I tried to experiment with it a bit, after I read it, but I just can´t find good uses.

If you get your enemy missing you by walking away you can punish him much harder.
If he keeps running at you I would choose other options, such as dashgrab towards him or spaced FTilt/Aerials.

Watch Mike Haze's Marth for general principles on how it's effective (it's not the same, but it is similar).

 

[Orion*]

It's safe, but pivot grab is generally better if you're making a read due to the much better reward (~3x the guaranteed damage, better momentum, kills at very high percents, etc.).

Walk-away Dtilt is good, however.

this

also, dtilt is legitimately broken. best pressure move in the game probably

 

[GimR]

Did you guys know that at low percentages MK doesn't even have frame advantage on hit of the d-tilt(unless it trips)?


So if you hit your opponent with D-tilt they have frame advantage. Most characters don't have moves fast enough to punish you though. But if you're d-tilting a Marth he can just up-B

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You're terrible at spacing it in that case

 

[GimR]

You're terrible at spacing it in that case

kind of but not really, in order to take advantage of IASA frames you need to keep d-tilting as fast as possible. This makes you move towards your opponent which is bad. If you wait in between hits so you can stay far away from your opponent then you're giving your opponent an extreme frame advantage.

 

[Orion*]

Or

*ding ding ding ding ding* awaits 2008 metaknight strategy

dtilt->>>>ftilt

herp derp

wtf at swf uncapping everything :/

 

[Kel]

GIMR, I've been wondering if MKs would ever implement the old "no land" thing that was discovered right away. I don't know how to explain it, but all characters can do aerials and land with no lag into another aerial or move, such as bowser using his Over B, jumping, and doing another over B into jump with no lag.

Snake could Bair, jump Bair, jump bair indefinitely as well.

I could do it every once in a while with MK, but it seemed entirely too technical and I couldn't find any use for it.

 

[Kaffei]

I think it's called ISJR or something

 

[Exdeath]

I think it's called ISJR or something

ISJR is infinite, and I believe that Meta Knight's is finite (a.k.a. SJR). I could be mistaken, however.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You still have to consider human reaction time, and the fact that people often anticipate multiple dtilts and thus stay in shield.

For example, often enough I see people pressure with dtilt>fsmash, sure, it's way flawed in terms of frame data, but it works for that reason.

 

[Exdeath]

You still have to consider human reaction time, and the fact that people often anticipate multiple dtilts and thus stay in shield.

For example, often enough I see people pressure with dtilt>fsmash, sure, it's way flawed in terms of frame data, but it works for that reason.

You learn quickly that Dtilt isn't safe on hit at low percents when you play with a Snake who realizes that they get a free Ftilt if you do anything other than shield.

 

[GimR]

GIMR, I've been wondering if MKs would ever implement the old "no land" thing that was discovered right away. I don't know how to explain it, but all characters can do aerials and land with no lag into another aerial or move, such as bowser using his Over B, jumping, and doing another over B into jump with no lag.

Snake could Bair, jump Bair, jump bair indefinitely as well.

I could do it every once in a while with MK, but it seemed entirely too technical and I couldn't find any use for it.

It's good to use as a mix up strategy. most people try to grab you when they see you're going to land on the ground. So you can just bait a grab and then up-B them again

 

[Staco]

GIMR, I've been wondering if MKs would ever implement the old "no land" thing that was discovered right away. I don't know how to explain it, but all characters can do aerials and land with no lag into another aerial or move, such as bowser using his Over B, jumping, and doing another over B into jump with no lag.

Snake could Bair, jump Bair, jump bair indefinitely as well.

I could do it every once in a while with MK, but it seemed entirely too technical and I couldn't find any use for it.

weve got 5 jumps, its almost useless
even for chars such as snake its not that usefull

 

[V]

weve got 5 jumps, its almost useless
even for chars such as snake its not that usefull

Theoretically if we mastered ISJR with our dair we would never get grabbed by the IC

 

[Exdeath]

Theoretically if we mastered ISJR with our dair we would never get grabbed by the IC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_sTNHJdUEM

Meta Knight eventually goes low enough that he can be grabbed.

It's good against Diddy though. No tripping is amazing.

 

[Staco]

Theoretically if we mastered ISJR with our dair we would never get grabbed by the IC

Practically we would get ***** by ICs UAir, because we have to use DAir in a really stupid position, which makes is pretty easy for ICs to hit us.
+ you can also just land somewhere on a platform.
Only use would be FD.


Does that also work with FAir?

Yes, right?

 

[Player-4]

Or they could Blizzard us or shield grab us

 

[-LzR-]

Only like Bowser can use this well IIRC. But we shoul still explore the possibilities.

 

[Orion*]

ill try and learn it. hopefully im buying a 2nd wii for my eu home tonight (100 euros :'()

fuuuuuuuuuuuuu i actually. have to unlock ****. ive never played subspace i got my wii used and had someone else do it for me. my wii is used also but no brawl saves on it... anyone know how to hack brawl saves on a disc? i have to burn a dual layer tonight anyway. i have brawl legally i just cant get it out of my wii it doesnt work

 

[Seagull Joe]

Based on what Gimr said, can I dsmash an Mk that Dtilt's me with Wolf? I think I've done that, but unsure.

 

[Omni]

Based on what Gimr said, can I dsmash an Mk that Dtilt's me with Wolf? I think I've done that, but unsure.

yes you can

 

[Staco]

yes you can

even on shield?
I mean, wolf shielddrop to dsmash? (should be based on prediction, if possible)

 

[Kel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_sTNHJdUEM

Meta Knight eventually goes low enough that he can be grabbed.

It's good against Diddy though. No tripping is amazing.

You just need to time a DAIR and jump at the correct time, right?

I hope we can find an awesome use for this two years after it was discovered! ahha

 

[Kaffei]

ill try and learn it. hopefully im buying a 2nd wii for my eu home tonight (100 euros :'()

fuuuuuuuuuuuuu i actually. have to unlock ****. ive never played subspace i got my wii used and had someone else do it for me. my wii is used also but no brawl saves on it... anyone know how to hack brawl saves on a disc? i have to burn a dual layer tonight anyway. i have brawl legally i just cant get it out of my wii it doesnt work

If you have an SD card, I can give you my pack thing and that should unlock all chars and stages.

 

[Orion*]

nstc =/= pal :/