J said:
Joey, you are being contradicting though, you just said to me explicitly that you were defending RR and you truly thought he was town, but he is leaning scummy to you? Why are you defending someone who you believe is scummy? Why are you contradicting yourself with your read on RR? Your 402 directed @ Roxy is also unpleasant. In fact whenever someone places a vote on you, you have some little comment to input. You also are pseudo-scumhunting. You are not following up on any of your suspicions. When heat comes your way you stop scum-hunting and focus on CYA (covering your ***). You seem to be posting just to post and your defense of "lol udumb therfore idc." is bad.
**** like this is why I don't understand your case. You went from "lol ur dumb" to "lol ur a heepocrit"--but it's not even the fact that he's a hypocrite that gets me. It's
why that really establish this case as a piece of ****: "you switched your reads on someone."
I agree with the pseudo-scumhunting point, though, that's an absolutely fair point and you're 100% accurate in that.
J said:
Gord, I don't like how you are trying to set-up lynches w.r.t. Joey/RR.
FoS: Gordito
Just to keep it known I still GMEOU
How is he trying to set up lynches? Why are we forbidding people from making connections considering y'all thrive on those kinds of things?
Actually, I'm surprised at the lack of them this game.
Red Ruy said:
Gordito still bothers me, his flip flop earlier and his set-ups situations are not cool.
Vote: Gordito
**** vote that's still following people. How is Gorf flip-flopping?
J said:
Joey, both your points as to why you switched to RR being "leaning scummy" do not hold much air. How does RR tunneling Vult become a scum-tell? Also tbqh, RR has been contributing more to this game then you had even before you "asked" him. I could use the same arguement for you. In fact both of your points are moot since they just revolve around what you extrapolate to be "tunneling".
You have yet to scum-hunt as well and just keep on trying to defend yourself.
Other than the whole "RR contributing" (good laugh, by the way),
J said:
it is setting up lynches.
No, not really. He's just allowing his reads to be defined by what people flip, certainly things that you, myself, Ryker, and a number of other people have done. It's not a scummy thing to do when he's not saying that a person should be lynched, just he views them as scummy.
Gorf said:
I'm not saying you're scum for not AtEing. I'm not saying you're scum at all. I'm just saying that his change in playstyle is not a scum tell.
**** like this is what makes me think he's not scum, he's just being misread. almost positive that if a gorf lynch goes down, it'll be a mislynch.
Red Ruy said:
Nope because your calling me out on that, yet you do it yourself.
Throw this mentality out the ****ing window. It's pissy and does
nothing and goes
nowhere. This is essentially the same as a lurker saying "welp, I'm lurking but so is this person and he's inherently scummier than me, lynch him." It's self-preservational bull**** and I don't care for it.
Swordy said:
@AM: I have a question for you. Much earlier in the game you said that scum would want to leave the role open to WIFOM, and used that as some of your case against Vult. One might argue that that's reaching, because you're accusing him of a possible future agenda, something which can't really be proven. Response?
Fair point, but that's not why we think he's scum.
Quoth Ryker: Hell yeah it was reaching. We were trying to start a day. You'll notice Vult doesn't call us on that at that stage though.
Yeh, we decided to make the most of our role. After claiming it, we decided we'd use it to gain reactions and get people out of RVS. We found it weird Vult would rather call us lying scum and attack us for it than to realize our case on him was a reach and dismiss it. Why would he take the time to point out a gambit he recognizes? What's the town benefit for it?
Vult said:
Not at all.
(Sorry for the delayed response.)
I like Red Ryu a lot. He's not just solely piggybacking off my arguments.
wtf vult rr has been piggybacking off you up until he got pissed enough to try to bring up his own ****. while his points were original, his reads and his reactions certainly were not.
Vult said:
^ shows that AM has no motivation to try to actually interpret my actions.
Why would I go down that WIFOM-festered road? I'm reading your **** at face value because that's all I can take it as. You're too cagey about your **** otherwise.
Case-in-point: lack of clarity when you say "I'm voting him because of his current play." That's vague as **** and you refuse to clarify what you mean by that
at all, yet expect people to suddenly jump onto your side.
Vult said:
I meant more that I'll get to other people when I don't have to devote every post I make to him because I have to catch up with him. I sign on once or twice a day at best so a lot of what I do is catch-up depending on activity levels.
Covering his ***. Hardcore.
Adumb said:
Scum reads, now. If Tery can't get away with not having a vote, you can't get away with tunneling.
J said:
Our first agenda is to lynch Gordito. If that falls through, we will be lynching Joey. Sound good?
no **** that get the **** off those wagons, vult and red ruy are the scum.
Red Ruy said:
Vult is town, I like the stance and bring up of how much of a player Ryker can be along with his effort to prove why his claim was BS, granted I sided with letting him go for now since I'm willing to see where his claim goes at this point.
So wait, you think you jumped the gun, unvoted us, and switched to a case you thought was going somewhere, yet when Vult posts more bull**** about us, you agree with it (which means you agree that we're scummy), yet you unvoted and didn't put your vote anywhere else despite the fact that you still think we're scummy?
die you leeching scummy *******
Red Ruy said:
I haven't taken him off my scum list atm, but he isn't my first pick anymore because I could see him taking the player roaster into consideration.
Is it possible for someone to be dumb scum? Not just one or the other?
J said:
I have read and understood the premise of your case. Though I find nothing to comment on and nothing really that special about it besides the blantant "Look! LOOOOOOK! AM!" and I am not really getting much of anything from it. Your "case" as you call it is weak and I don't find it rather important personally.
Now, scum-picks. Thanks.
Things like this make me think you're town. You may not be our J but you're not worthless.
Red Ruy said:
And people wonder why you're criticized for sitting on the sidelines.
J said:
Also, if you do not like those lynches then tell me whose lynches you do think are good and who you are gonna be pushing. You keep having this incessant battle with Vult that doesn't seem to derive from much but you two apparantly having meta on each other and something that revolves around your claim.
We want Vult dead, we'd be okay with Red Ruy or potentially Adumb dying as well.
Lil Jon said:
@AM What's your reasoning for not liking Adumb?
He's got like three posts in the game. While I like that he's defending Gorf, I find it weird he has one scum read and that same scum read is the person who coincidentally voted him earlier in the phase for being "good with reads". That entire exchange of votes seems incredibly off but it's not a strong case so I'm not going to say much more about it.
I dunno why Ryker dislikes him.
J said:
Vult is town for his attacks on you.
It's like people don't understand that scum are
perfectly capable of masking attacks on people as scumhunting. If he were pursuing other people--and he has shown he can respond to more people than just us--I'd be okay with your town read but he'd rather sit there with a little unprovable case about us (which is weird because he rarely banks in a case that is such utter ****) and he's only given his reads
once. That's not scumhunting, J. That's not town behavior. Scum are perfectly capable of attacking other players.
Red Ruy said:
AM is turbo posting and really I can't respond to much when he is, so I don't bother putting anything of value in between when he does. And it annoys me to no end when he does, if he wants to respond to people why does he just do little posts like that and not quote everything.
Unless he thinks Vult is so much bothersome about walls.
Too much time. Considering Broto said that he basically wanted to do it like that so a certain stubborn penguin will read it, derp.
Red Ruy said:
Him not giving answers, feels like a scum tell. Why would be not answer a question about reads?
I'll give you a hint: Broto's very, very, very open about his information except for when he needs to reserve it as leverage.
Guess what he's using his reads for right now.
Adumb said:
You're being incredibly mechanical in your scumhunting, the differences between a weak town player and a weak scum player are very different then the differences between a strong scum player and a strong town player. Look at swordsrbroken in bioware mafia, the thousand times Ran got mislynched, and many other players. I can say with near absolute certainty that the dumb things he said so far are within the sphere of gordito's general weak play.
That said, he makes some very good points on you, how you only took an active role and started producing content cause you were attacked. And where's the follow-up for that suspicion on AM, not a popular enough target? Yet you're willing to attack me who has considerably more support.
Like this a little bit, if only you'd have more than one scum read at the moment.
