Melee Tournament Mafia! Game Over, Town Wins!

[Purple]

Actually.

*fart*

AM's right.

vote: Joey

 

[Dooms]

-_-.

You have yet to state anything as to why I'm scum. Not a single sentence. Unless you count "I said it earlier" a sentence. Or was that question supposed to be why I'm scummy?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM I'm sorry I belittled you and harshly insulted you. J, I'm sorry for calling you dumb. I didn't know I was ruining the game for both slots.

Generally I shrug insults off but saying "lol ur skimming why won't you admit it" over and over again is incredibly mindnumbing. It's cool, don't worry about it, but don't sit there and do that, you look like an idiot if you can't back up your claims.

Beat, I acted that way towards AM because I honestly thought they were playing badly and I know that both players in that slot are more than amazing. Struck me as odd when I haven't seen anything bad from either player so far. That is seriously the only reason I posted like that. Plus they called me a galakazoo D:! I'm not scum.

Galakazoo's not scum, he's a terrible player from AiB that has a habit of posting random logic that doesn't make sense and then finding some way to berate you when you call him an idiot.

The last time Ryker and I hydra'd, he was in a game with us and at one point during the game, I read his post and then told him he was wrong. He spent the next five to ten pages that I didn't read his post.

Also, sincerity is such a flimsy argument to work off of. I'm not saying Joey's not scummy, J, but I feel that you need a better case than "he's making a facade" as it's shaky and hard to prove.

 

[Purple]

Most of it is you not saying much of importance and dodging posting anything of importance against AM by just being like lul ur right homiez

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, I accept your apology, it wasn't ruining the game by any means but it was becoming rather annoying.

Joey, you are being contradicting though, you just said to me explicitly that you were defending RR and you truly thought he was town, but he is leaning scummy to you? Why are you defending someone who you believe is scummy? Why are you contradicting yourself with your read on RR? Your 402 directed @ Roxy is also unpleasant. In fact whenever someone places a vote on you, you have some little comment to input. You also are pseudo-scumhunting. You are not following up on any of your suspicions. When heat comes your way you stop scum-hunting and focus on CYA (covering your ***). You seem to be posting just to post and your defense of "lol udumb therfore idc." is bad.

Unvote
Vote: Joey~Dooms

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Elaborate.

Well, when Joey and AM were having that, like, 1 page interaction, I got a town read from both Joey and AM. Which would make it T v T. But, if Red Ruy flips scum, I'm totally fine with calling it S v T with the chainsaw defense.

Urgh, this just looks like wishy-washiness and subtle buddying.

Umm, no it doesn't, especially when I'm not calling him town.

And why even bring up a null read if no one has asked you about that specific player? Is it important to let everyone know that FF is null in your book?

I felt the need to point out the oddness of his focus of mechanics. But I'm not calling him scum yet. Why do you care?

Is Vult scum for "admitting" to hindering scum hunting? Why exactly would scum do that?

He didn't come out and explicitly say it. He stopped a gambit and said that he's solely focusing on AM.

And did he really "admit" to doing it, anyway?

Yep. Skim moar?

 

[#HBC | J]

Gord, I don't like how you are trying to set-up lynches w.r.t. Joey/RR.

FoS: Gordito

Just to keep it known I still GMEOU

 

[Dooms]

Gonna re-read through his posts.

He does have a point that you love to gambit. I'm surprised that you haven't said "I'm actually Day Vig. Soup is scum for believing my claim" or something like that >_>;.

I'll post after this with an opinion on him

Uhh, Ryker... He did vote you LOL

>_> Yeeeah. I was suspicious because you claimed he didn't vote you... but he did. He's leaning town for sure.

Lol. You sure sound mad right now~! ! Is it usually your plan to turn into a **** when things aren't working for you? Good job following through with that plan if it is!

Before I respond to Ryker and his attitude:



Got this while reading through Vults posts~!

Hello! ^_^! This isn't my first game, but it is my first game with you on smashboards, so I can see why you would think this!

Back to reading through his posts

Why Vult is town:

~ Disagree'd with your claim! You may think that this isn't serious, but disagree'ing with a claim can harm you severely if you're scum! Especially something like a princess!
~ His points as to why you would lie as townie are head on, considering that you like to gambit like a ***** and that people here think you're the ****, so you don't get lynched too often.
~ He gave his reasons for voting you fully, which I agree with!
~ He was correct with your little statements against Red Ryu.
~ Most of his points so far have been right and most of the stuff he's said so far I agree with.

That's why I think he's town.

I never said it was a scum tell. I said "Is it usually your plan to turn into a **** when things aren't working for you?" Nice job trying to use my words against me, by the way! :D!

So you're going to break rules? I see! Cocky people these days!

I don't agree with your points against me thinking he's townie at all.

Plus you're not admitting to skimming? Really? This will be fun~!

Those are my reasons to thinking he's town.

I can dig up information as to why vult's points against you are right if you want to admit to not reading damn near anything in this game. It shows that you really haven't.

LOL @ you all giving up on Red Ryu. Hahaha. Seriously? Proven wrong -> Giving up. Lol'd.

Ryker lolol.

You're not going to admit that you skimmed, are you? :'/.

Gonna go get posts for you lolol.

J - Gord scummy
Vult - You scummy
Soupa - Beat scummy
Me - You, Soupa scummy
Red Ryu - You scummy
Sword - Gordito scummy
Gord - Red Ryu scummy
You - Like 5 different people at completely different random times LOL! Red Ryu, Gord, Soupa, Vult I believe.

These are the people that have tried to scum hunt so far based on my memory :3!

Yep. You're not going to admit it. !

We never said you lied as town, by the way! The points as to why you would lie are head on. note the Italics.

Quite honestly, I don't care about what you have to say regarding your role, since it's the role you "own" and you could be scum lying to us very easily. Try again?

To me, explaining why you voted someone is definitely a townie tell! Sorry if you don't like it!

Post against Red Ryu:

"Sits on sidelines, doesn't say a lot about anything, doesn't comment on the princess claim, tries to direct town subtly without really getting involved in what's going on, and instead of adding his own opinion, he suggests we wait for others to post."

You stated multiple generic scum tell statements against Red Ryu. Most of which were false completely, even to where it could be assumed that you were lying. You stated that he didn't say anything about the princess claim. His first statement into the game was just that, even if it was small. He never tried to direct town at all, since the only posts he had at the time were:

Comment on Princess claim
"We're out of RVS?"
RVS Vote
Opinion on Soupa
and "Why are we voting Vult"!

It's obvious that he added his own opinion, as well! Is adding an opinion on soupa not "getting involved"? Your only really legit point against him was him asking people that haven't posted yet to start posting. :/.

With all of these, most of the points he has shared have been true!

Try again?

I don't think you're lying as town. Lying as scum? Possibly. I'm not sure as of yet, which is why I said I wouldn't be confident with lynching you day one before. Derp .

Your points were still false, which is the whole point of that post.

Whoops I was wrong. You have two points that are accurate. My bad.

Edit: Actually I was wrong in a different way. Since the time you posted that statement, none of the things really lined up except possibly "sits on the sidelines", but that is kind of false too considering that I had a back and forth conversation with him for a bit. I think that pulls him off of the sideline.

Lets copy what you had against him again.

"Sits on sidelines, doesn't say a lot about anything, doesn't comment on the princess claim, tries to direct town subtly without really getting involved in what's going on, and instead of adding his own opinion, he suggests we wait for others to post."

These are all of the posts that Red Ryu had between when you stated that list and his very first post:



























Do you see where I'm getting at or do you want me to go into more detail? I'm waiting for you to admit that you were skimming any moment now.

I'll take as much time as I want~ ^_^!

Coming up though :3!

"Time taints reactions"

lolololol okay

Oh you're serious?

Welp. :3

I see what you're getting at. I also see why I had to re-read to get 3 other reads lolol.

He doesn't have any besides you based on all of his serious posts so far.

Is that what you were looking for? O:

You're dumb and you should burn in a fire.

It'd be youtube worthy just sayin' :3

**** Ryker too much at once. I'll get back to everything though~

By that I mean I'm gonna start responding now

.....

wat?

>_>

...I did you ****tard.

I'm starting on the wall now. -_-

It's okay~ ^_^!!

Starting response now!

.....**** ****...

I get what you're trying to say... and you're right -_-'

Yeah, he didn't do anything until I started talking to him. I get it. Okay. Yeah. You weren't wrong except a weak princess statement. I'm sorry.

@Ryker about Vult:

He... buddied me...? -_-' ugh.

I'm starting to understand what you're saying now. I'm going to re-read, because I'm lost right now. Really really lost. lol. >_<;

I promise I'll respond fully and accurately when I get my **** together! ^_^

.....

Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to re-read some stuff.

@Mod: I quick edited one of my posts to add in the pichu (: 172. If that warrants a mod punishment, then yeah.

=P Now I'll re-read... since I've read that wall now @_@;

Ryker, you know you just defended yourself from mod punishment due to insults... with an insult, right? -_-' idk if you noticed, but that won't really help you lol.

I don't need to re-read.

Vult's posts have indeed been tunneling on AM. I do see the reason for mainly talking about him, since yeah, he did claim day one, but I don't like that you haven't really talked about anyone else except talking to me.

Red Ryu, before the wall (I read it, and I think that it does indeed have some content, although it is also really tunneling), didn't have a lot of content, and his posts were mostly one liners (Which I don't mind, but hey).

AM's points really got me to re think things and I don't know how I feel about his defenses. I still don't know if he's lying scum or really a princess. At this point I REALLY doubt he's lying town.

So basically, I need to re-read Ryker's defenses to get a more accurate read on him lol. Yeah, you could say that I'm pretty lost haha.

I like how we're going hard-core on rules now instead of actually playing >_>;

I'll re-read ryker's defenses once all of this BS is figured out.

...Wow... Not breaking rule 4, are you?

but seriously, re-reading now. lol.

Lol.

I feel that most of AM's posts within his defense have a townie intent, especially if he really thinks princess is a worse miller... even if I disagree with his points with his defense posts lol.

It's okay! ^_^ Didn't even pay attention to it honestly lol.

Yeah... I'm moving on...

Sup Soupa?

This is everything, beginning to end, of my conversation with AM. Are these all "Lulz you're right?"? Really? Okay.

@J: I thought he was town when I defended him. AM made me realize that:

1) Vult has been tunneling him the whole time.
2) Red Ryu hasn't been contributing at all until I started talking to him and pretty much asked him to. He has also been tunneling AM pretty roughly.

Pre-converation, I thought he was town. Post-convesation, I thought he looked scummy. I haven't pressured him at all except maybe my first two-three posts within' the game. Your point is still wrong.

 

[Purple]

Yeah why even post that though.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I saw that J

I'm not try'na set up lynches. I simply don't think Joey's scum yet. And I don't think that Joey's posting style this game is a facade. Hell, if you wanna go on facades, I can say that you not AtEing is a facade. That's not a scum tell.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gordito still bothers me, his flip flop earlier and his set-ups situations are not cool.

Vote: Gordito

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, both your points as to why you switched to RR being "leaning scummy" do not hold much air. How does RR tunneling Vult become a scum-tell? Also tbqh, RR has been contributing more to this game then you had even before you "asked" him. I could use the same arguement for you. In fact both of your points are moot since they just revolve around what you extrapolate to be "tunneling".

You have yet to scum-hunt as well and just keep on trying to defend yourself.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tell me Gordito, do you still stand by your I have no content argument or do you think I'm trying to buddy and cruise with people?

 

[#HBC | J]

Yeah why even post that though.

^Agreed

I saw that J

I'm not try'na set up lynches. I simply don't think Joey's scum yet. And I don't think that Joey's posting style this game is a facade. Hell, if you wanna go on facades, I can say that you not AtEing is a facade. That's not a scum tell.

You are in the past. A scum-tell for me is posting in walls. I can't even remember the last game I had an AtE run. Guess my playstyles just changed from it. Then what do you call saying this Gord?

If RR flips town, Joey is town. AM is still town.

or

If RR flips scum, Joey is scum. AM is still town.

You also keep bringing up TvS or the other variations of that. It's speculation based on weak D1 connections that seem like scum-hunting when in reality it holds no water. By you continuing to say that if RR flips Scum, Joey is his buddy, it is setting up lynches.

 

[Lil Jon]

Why?

RR - A whole lot of talking, no scumhunting. Just been on the defence. He has a scumpick on Gordito, but he hasn't pushed anything at all.

FF - Made a post about how we should move away from the Princess claim, but hardly did anything to move conversation in another direction. Just getting towny-points.

Joey - White Knighting RR.

Vult - Don't remember him doing anything but arguing over the Princess claim.



@Joey If you're confident enough in me being scum to say I'm the lynch today, then why aren't you pushing or questioning me at all? Saying I'm the lynch so early on is a really bold statement, but your actions haven't been bold at all.

@Red Ryu Who's scummy besides Gordito? afaik he was your only listed scumpick in your reads.

 

[Dooms]

What. Really? How are those posts all "Lulz you're right"?

I want details. I can't defend against "yep".

I didn't have any posts before I asked him stuff. LOL! Did you even see his posts before I posted? I feel like you're just tunneling me now. You're also reading my posts wrong completely, which makes me think you're skimming.

1) RR never tunneled Vult. He tunneled AM. Why would you assume he tunneled Vult? Tell me. Did he tunnel Vult. Where did he do so?

2) RR's posts before I came in were literally a joke princess comment, saying "We're apparently not in RVS", doing a RVS vote, explaining that vote, asking why people were voting Vult, and one sentence about Soupa.

Are you really saying that I have no content at all in this game? LOL I really think you're tunneling me now.

 

[Purple]

Yeah... I'm moving on...

Sup Soupa?

asdlfuihasdfljkhasdf

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, your getting extremely defense and hoppy to a little bit of questioning from me. You have gone as far to say I am tunneling you which simply isn't true.

I misread the Vult part. Then again let me change the question because now it doesn't even make any sense. How does Vult tunneling RR = RRscum?

Also why did you say I was tunneling you twice in one post?

 

[#HBC | J]

@Lil Jon: Can you explain what WhiteKnighting is, I have never heard that term before. Is it like defending someone like a White Knight in shining armor?

 

[Dooms]

Vult isn't tunneling RR either. Lol.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@RR I still think you're try'na fake contribute, if that's what you mean. And the buddy and cruise with people came when you voted AM right after Vult did, when you had every opportunity to prior bla bla bla I've said this all before.

You are in the past. A scum-tell for me is posting in walls. I can't even remember the last game I had an AtE run. Guess my playstyles just changed from it.

I'm not saying you're scum for not AtEing. I'm not saying you're scum at all. I'm just saying that his change in playstyle is not a scum tell.

Then what do you call saying this Gord?

If RR flips town, Joey is town. AM is still town.

or

If RR flips scum, Joey is scum. AM is still town.

I call it reads based on actions.

You also keep bringing up TvS or the other variations of that. It's speculation based on weak D1 connections that seem like scum-hunting when in reality it holds no water. By you continuing to say that if RR flips Scum, Joey is his buddy, it is setting up lynches.

D1 shenanigans almost never hold much water. But are you saying that Joey's interactions with AM wouldn't seem QUITE A BIT like a chainsaw upon a RR scum flip?

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: I thought he was town when I defended him. AM made me realize that:

1) Vult has been tunneling him the whole time.
2) Red Ryu hasn't been contributing at all until I started talking to him and pretty much asked him to. He has also been tunneling AM pretty roughly.

Explain then why you listed that as a reason for why RR is now leaning scummy for you.

 

[Dooms]

I'll re-read and think of something to ask. I'm debating waiting for soupa to get back so he can explain what he was thinking, since obviously you have NO IDEA what he was thinking (Not an offensive statement) or just dropping the vote as a whole because honestly you look null-town compared to him. I'm probably going to wait until he gets back to go into any depth.

That's a thing that AM made me realize. Not why RR is scummy.

Vult has been tunneling AM the whole time. Sorry about my god-awful wording decisions.

 

[#HBC | J]

Gord, bring up where it is chainsaw. Right now Joey is saying that AM is town and RR is scum. How is that chainsawwing AM?

I am glad that you agree D1 things don't hold much water w.r.t. connections, why then are you primarily focusing on those as scum-hunting and not doing much otherwise?

 

[Lil Jon]

@Lil Jon: Can you explain what WhiteKnighting is, I have never heard that term before. Is it like defending someone like a White Knight in shining armor?

I guess it's not really a mafia term, more general-internet.

In this context I mean he was jumping in to defend Red Ryu, when RR's a big boy and can do it himself. Obviously if it was an attack on AM (saying he's scum) it would be scumhunting and therefore legit, but in this context it looked to me like Joey was defending RR (saying he's town) more than anything.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll re-read and think of something to ask. I'm debating waiting for soupa to get back so he can explain what he was thinking, since obviously you have NO IDEA what he was thinking (Not an offensive statement) or just dropping the vote as a whole because honestly you look null-town compared to him. I'm probably going to wait until he gets back to go into any depth.

That's a thing that AM made me realize. Not why RR is scummy.

Vult has been tunneling AM the whole time. Sorry about my god-awful wording decisions.

*sigh*

Joey, explain what changed your opinion of RR being scummy to you. Why in the world did you even put that Vult comment there? Also I do want a response as to why you called my attack tunnely, not just once, but twice. Plus you having to go re-read to have questions for Lil Jon means you don't really think Lil Jon is scummy. Your tone with the Seikend half of the hydra seems unreal compared to the points you have been trying to make that you have said Lil Jon is the scummiest person to you this game. You also say you are not gonna respond to the Seikend side but instead wait for the Soupa half to return. Why? If you think Soupa is scum, you must think his slot is scum. So persue it.

 

[#HBC | J]

Lil Jon, what do you personally think of Joey's 180 on RR?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gord, bring up where it is chainsaw. Right now Joey is saying that AM is town and RR is scum. How is that chainsawwing AM?

Joey had a town read on RR going into his interaction with AM. After a page of defending RR, he suddenly has a change of heart and has a scum read on Red Ruy? He chainsaw defended Red Ruy. And then when it was useless to continue, he got a scum read? That's quite fishy to me, and only really holds ground upon a RR scum flip.

I am glad that you agree D1 things don't hold much water w.r.t. connections, why then are you primarily focusing on those as scum-hunting and not doing much otherwise?

Because it's something. I AM focusing on other things (like Vult scumminess, waiting for FF so I can get a more refined opinion of him, etc), but for D1, I like what I found there. In YT memes, Kuz chainsaw defended Swiss on D1. They decided to lynch Kuz first, and then based of of that scum flip, decided to lynch Swiss. But lynching upon chainsaw is much more effective if the defended is lynched first, in order to justify that... well... it's in fact a chainsaw.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR I still think you're try'na fake contribute, if that's what you mean. And the buddy and cruise with people came when you voted AM right after Vult did, when you had every opportunity to prior bla bla bla I've said this all before.

Did you read my posts before this?

I said if Vult explained himself I would think about it at the time when I was favoring AM, I read his post and considered what was going on and changed my mind. I did have a chance to vote before, then I read more about AM from Vult and thought it made sense.

I don't buy this, you only jumped on me when AM jumped on me, so where can you come off calling me scum for things you have done yourself.

What do you think of other people? What about J? What about Adum? Lil Jon?

 

[Lil Jon]

Lil Jon, what do you personally think of Joey's 180 on RR?

Eh. Trying to figure it out. I don't think the 180 is inherently scummy, I know as town that I flip flop all the damn time whilst re-reading. Let me get back to you on this.

@Joey At what point did you change your mind on Red Ryu? When abouts do you intend to pressure RR?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't buy this, you only jumped on me when AM jumped on me, so where can you come off calling me scum for things you have done yourself.

This is absolutely true. I can not lie in saying that I had my suspicions first. You're right, when AM exposed your scummy actions, I hopped on those similar actions and recognized them as scummy. BUT, both you AND Vult had expressed feeling scum vibes from AM prior to your votes. But, it wasn't until Vult had stepped up and voted, that you decided to vote. So you're absolutely right in what you say. You happy?

What do you think of other people? What about J? What about Adum? Lil Jon?

J's perfectly fine for me atm. Adumb, I need more from him before I get a refined opinion. Null atm, quite subject to change. And Lil Jon, I like more than what I did from early game.

 

[Dooms]

It was to show that AM made me realize multiple things between our debate. Not only did he realize that RR was scummy, but also that Vult was tunneling him the whole time without any other reads.

Look at what you have against me(This isn't a list as to why, this is what each post says.):

- A post that says you dislike me
- Saying I have a "new-found" suspicion on Lil Jon (which came after you saying you disliked me)
- Saying that I had to recheck my vote (change from "new-found" to rechecking) and that I've been thinking RR was scummy the whole time.
- Pressure on RR seems fake(where did my vote thing go?), doing what AM has been doing the whole time, and not actively pushing somebody
- Personality change/conflict and attitude change
- Being Contradictory, defending someone that I think is scummy, statement at Roxy doing nothing worthwhile being unpleasant, having a little comment of input whenever someone votes me, pseudo-scum hunting, not following up on any of my suspicions, defending myself, and a bad defense.
- Having two bad points against Vult, saying RR contributed more to the game more than I have when I posted to him (lolol), yet to scum hunt, keep on defending myself
- Going from extremely defensive and hoppy to questioning you (Didn't answer my questions even). Saying that you're tunneling me. Saying the same thing twice in one post.

Your points on thinking I'm scum change completely, and you're grasping at everything possible to think I'm scum. Saying the same thing twice in one post, even. Really? I have every right to assume that you're tunneling me. Prove to me that you're not tunneling me, because it sure seems like you are.

I'm waiting for Soupa. They're basically two different players. I'm not giving his AWFUL play early game a clear just because Seik, who has NO IDEA what Soup was going after or what he was doing, and came in late game, posts a few townie posts. If you don't agree, then whatever.

 

[X1-12]

Votecount 4 [7/13] - Deadline is 23/05/11

Gordito [3] - Sword, Beat, Red Ryu
Adumbrodeus [0]
Lil Jon [2] - MOD, Joey
BeatStick [0]
Vult Redux [1] - AM
frozenflame751 [0]
Sworddancer [0]
Terywj [0]
Roxy [0]
Aggressive Mediation [1] - Vult
Joey [3] Lil Jon, Roxy J
Red Ryu [2] - Gordito, Adumb
J [0]


Not Voting [2] - Frozen, Tery

 

[Dooms]

It was when I was arguing with AM. After he made me realize that Vult was doing nothing but tunneling AM, I was trying to defend him more when I realized what he was getting at. He showed little to no content before I started talking to him. When I REALLY 180'd on him was when he posted his HUGE wall, though. It made me feel that RR was doing nothing but tunneling on AM. That's what the wall was, basically.

When soupa comes back and explains his thought process more, and when he responds to my attack on him, I'll probably pressure RR.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is absolutely true. I can not lie in saying that I had my suspicions first. You're right, when AM exposed your scummy actions, I hopped on those similar actions and recognized them as scummy. BUT, both you AND Vult had expressed feeling scum vibes from AM prior to your votes. But, it wasn't until Vult had stepped up and voted, that you decided to vote. So you're absolutely right in what you say. You happy?

Nope because your calling me out on that, yet you do it yourself.

J's perfectly fine for me atm. Adumb, I need more from him before I get a refined opinion. Null atm, quite subject to change. And Lil Jon, I like more than what I did from early game.

What do you think of J's call out on Joey?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Nope because your calling me out on that, yet you do it yourself.

Welp... what I did was recognize you as scummy due to Aggressive Meditation's pushes on you, and then after said recognition, pushed on you. YOU, on the other hand, had suspicion on Aggressive Meditation, brushed on it, and only pursued it after somebody else pursued it.

What do you think of J's call out on Joey?

Only call out I can remember was the change in play style. Which I commented on saying it isn't a scum tell. If there's anything, mind quoting it/giving me a post number to go back to?

 

[Dooms]

I'm still wondering what Roxy has against me except 3 worthless one liners.

 

[Dooms]

I'm leaving in 10 minutes.

I won't be back until any time between 7-10 est, and that's only if I feel like doing anything after I get back (this really shouldn't be the case, but it's possible).

Anything ya'll wanna ask before I go?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Welp... what I did was recognize you as scummy due to Aggressive Meditation's pushes on you, and then after said recognition, pushed on you. YOU, on the other hand, had suspicion on Aggressive Meditation, brushed on it, and only pursued it after somebody else pursued it.

This applies to you.

Also note why I did, it's because I found Vult's post compelling on what he was calling AM on in retrospect to what AM was saying about his claim.

Only call out I can remember was the change in play style. Which I commented on saying it isn't a scum tell. If there's anything, mind quoting it/giving me a post number to go back to?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12713746#post12713746

This post, go.

 

[Dooms]

Yeah. Talk to you guys later~!