Melee Techniques Being Left out of Brawl

[Dogenzaka]

Yeah, I'll try the online thing out, but there's no challenge in beasting on people online.

And it also leaves the casual players with no point in trying because you know these techniques, therefore, they also refrain from playing. Leaving the online function moot, like in Mario Kart DS.

You should have had your say and walked away while these douches argued over programming and physics and whether Mario has hair on his *** and whether he should shave his *** hairs in order to go one frame faster.

But then they'd think they're right. >: Besides' what's wrong with discussion? lol

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I speak for the others out there who don't know these techniques.

We don't play those people, and hopefully they don't want to play with us.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

And don't use me to prove your point. You're part of the problem. You should have had your say and walked away while these douches argued over programming and physics and whether Mario has hair on his *** and whether he should shave his *** hairs in order to go one frame faster.

Ow. Um...a bit corse on the arguing eh? The...er...angry swearing thing doesn't work too well.

 

[ComboTurtle]

Since this is going to be my only post on this forum, I might as well let it all hang out. You all are about the most pathetic bunch of whino *****es that I've seen on just about the entire internet. I only came to this board to look at Brawl impressions and here I find you crybaby losers whining about your stupid little techniques got pulled from the game. Tough ****. Get the **** over it.

If any of you had a half a brain, you would see that Nintendo has dumbed down your precious little Super Smash Brothers series in order to let your mothers, your fathers, your grandmothers, and your grandfathers to be able to enjoy the thing. It's absolutely mind-boggling how none of you can seem to freakin' comprehend this. As I've said to others, Brawl is to Melee what Metroid Prime 3 was to Metroid Prime 1. The fact that you're ****ting your bricks over such a thing makes me happy to be me and not to be any of you. If you don't like it, and it makes you all upset and emo, here's some advice. Kill yourself.

And if something like this makes you want to stop playing this game, you're even more pathetic than I thought (and man was that pretty **** pathetic). The core game of Smash Brothers is centered around a party experience. You guys have made it into something totally mutated and it's hideous corpse is finally being somewhat corrected by Nintendo and you have the nerve to act like this act was no different than being sexually molested by a Catholic Priest.

Please. You morons are taking your fun way too ****ing seriously. Get your priorities straight. Bye.

No one gives a flying **** about ur mother or ur grandfather or ur sister.

 

[FalconPunch]

How could you possibly even know that. Even if, it wouldn't matter anyway. We play however we want. That why we can screw the rules because we paid money for the game. If wavedashing is a glitch then at least one of these is a glitch:

1) The time spend on the ground before jumping
2) Air dodging
3) Friction + Momentum


Take your pick. You can easily turn the intentions argument around (if it mattered). If Sakurai didn't want us to wavedash, he wouldn't have programmed the game to make you slide when you airdodge into the stage. If he didn't want us to L-cancel, he wouldn't have programmed it son that if we push a shield button a set amount of time before hitting the ground during out aerial then the lag is cut in half. What's next? Teching and DI is a glitch?

 

[Dogenzaka]

We don't play those people, and hopefully they don't want to play with us.

They don't. But if these mechanics are/were in, you'd be bound to run into eachother.

No one gives a flying **** about ur mother or ur grandfather or ur sister.

Nintendo does. It's business smart.

 

[Zephyr]

Here's how L-canceling would work, programming-wise:

It's a window of opportunity movement, meaning that you have to press this button in this amount of time before something happens in order to make something happen.

In order to L-cancel, you have to press L or R 20 frames (1/3 of a second) or less before you hit the ground during an aerial in order to cut the lag caused by landing the aerial in half.

In a physics engine like Melee's, it would be SO FREAKING HARD for L-canceling to be an accident. It's so specific that the chances of it being an accidental addition are astronomical.

 

[Dogenzaka]

2) Air dodging

Is in the freaking How-To video.

3) Friction + Momentum

Huh?

1) The time spend on the ground before jumping

Huh?

 

[Junpappy]

Why are you using the online play as a focal point in your argument, when you claim to believe that Brawl is a "party" game? Last I checked, people don't party online.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Last I checked, people don't party online.

LOL.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[FalconPunch]

I just realized that TC and friends are not arguing for other people on smashboards.

3) Example: Luigi sliding when he runs or shields. There is clearly evidence of friction and Luigi's lack thereof. Then there is obviously the force being provided to create momentum. Both of those together make a character slide. The frames that you are still on the ground is what allows you to do things suck JC Grabs, JC Up-smashes etc. Wavedshing is just a combination of the three where the force is the character air-dodging.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Why are you using the online play as a focal point in your argument, when you claim to believe that Brawl is a "party" game? Last I checked, people don't party online.

I DO!

*breaks out the bubbly*

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I use lots of Mario Strikers Charged glitches. I pwn.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Guess I'm glad I don't play Strikers then.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

When someone beats me online with a glitch, I don't complain. I learn it.

 

[sugarpoultry]

Which is how every smart player should be.

 

[Dogenzaka]

When someone beats me online with a glitch, I don't complain. I learn it.

In that case you're minority.

 

[Junpappy]

When someone beats me online with a glitch, I don't complain. I learn it.

That's stupid. I call the Nintendo hotline and pay $1.95 per minute to complain to them about someone beating me using a technique that I don't know about.

 

[Zephyr]

Because minority doesn't matter at all, right?

 

[Dogenzaka]

You can't force the majority of players to learn a glitch to compete on your level. Simple as that.

Because minority doesn't matter at all, right?

Right. Especially in the business world.

Why do you think the Wii lacks so many hardcore games?

 

[Vijin]

You can't force the majority of players to learn a glitch to compete on your level. Simple as that.



Right. Especially in the business world.

Why do you think the Wii lacks so many hardcore games?

Of course we can't force them. That's why they lose.

 

[Mama]

This thread is still here lol. Dogenaka or whatever just keeps beating that dead horse and destroying his reputation. Don't worry Dog as Buzz put it (quite perfectly I might add) there will be plenty of new techniques (or glitches for you ******* out there) for you to complain about. Then in 6-7 years there will be people in your shoes saying that SSB: Rhubarb (see synonyms for Melee/Brawl hehe) will not have Brawl's glitches and will put all players on an even field.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

You can't force the majority of players to learn a glitch to compete on your level. Simple as that

I don't really care if everyone and their mothers learns the glitch. I learn it, and use it, and I make money doing so. You, can just sit at home thinking it's cheap while I'm doing this.

 

[FalconPunch]

You can't force the minority of players to limits to allow other to compete on their level. Simple as that.

 

[Dogenzaka]

That's also why the "Lern2glitch2play" argument fails.

Dogenaka or whatever just keeps beating that dead horse and destroying his reputation.

Reputation? You honestly think I give two-****s about what a bias Smash forum thinks of me?

You can't force the minority of players to limits to allow other to compete on their level. Simple as that.

Nintendo just did.

 

[Junpappy]

This should end the argument.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W_a-Q9Aui0Y

 

[FalconPunch]

1) The time spend on the ground before jumping
2) Air dodging
3) Friction + Momentum


Take your pick. You can easily turn the intentions argument around (if it mattered). If Sakurai didn't want us to wavedash, he wouldn't have programmed the game to make you slide when you airdodge into the stage. If he didn't want us to L-cancel, he wouldn't have programmed it son that if we push a shield button a set amount of time before hitting the ground during out aerial then the lag is cut in half. What's next? Teching and DI is a glitch?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

In that case you're minority.

It's lonely at the top.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

This thread is still here lol. Dogenaka or whatever just keeps beating that dead horse and destroying his reputation. Don't worry Dog as Buzz put it (quite perfectly I might add) there will be plenty of new techniques (or glitches for you ******* out there) for you to complain about. Then in 6-7 years there will be people in your shoes saying that SSB: Rhubarb (see synonyms for Melee/Brawl hehe) will not have Brawl's glitches and will put all players on an even field.

*******? Wow, you're really mature. Next time, leave the flaming out.

 

[Junpappy]

Then in 6-7 years there will be people in your shoes saying that SSB: Rhubarb will not have Brawl's glitches and will put all players on an even field.

NOOO!!

The next smash bros game will be called, "Super Smash Bros: Donnybrook"

 

[Zephyr]

I think it should be called Super Smash Bros: Equality.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I think it should be called Super Smash Bros: Equality.

That's an awesome name.

 

[Mama]

That's also why the "Lern2glitch2play" argument fails.



Reputation? You honestly think I give two-****s about what a bias Smash forum thinks of me?



Nintendo just did.

Also I've stated this numerous times, its the willingness to accept new things to better their game that makes the pros better than you. Not the glitches. Cry more noob

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

CREA cheats.

 

[Zephyr]

Wow, cuz I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Course not!

 

[Dogenzaka]

Also I've stated this numerous times, its the willingness to accept new things to better their game that makes the pros better than you.

Technically skill makes them better than ____. Glitches simply unfairly give them an advantage to add on to it.

Cry more noob

You've been reported for flaming. Twice.

Wow, cuz I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Course not!

Course not! Because it sucks to have everyone's advantages equally distributed leaving skill as the only factor to determine the winner of a match! Course not!

 

[Anther]

I dunno. You're right... there are harder obscure things that are probably better off not being in the game. I've never disagreed with L-cancelling, but it is technically hard and obscure. But at the same time there's a line to be drawn. Smash CAN be played competitively. I mean that as an absolute statement. Thus there is a level to the game where someone that sits in a closed off community most likely won't discover ways to beat people that thoroughly investigate it. That also means that there will be lots of techniques they won't discover. Smash is a very varied game with a lot of options, thus a lot of hybrid options will appear. Nintendo can't remove them all without making a shallow game. I'm not sure but you seem turned off by that fact. Gimpy and others discovered a bunch of sweet 'hybrid' techniques with the game, and they played for ONE day. There will be lots of things you have to practice to be good.

It's unfortunate for people that complain a lot but hey, it's a good video game that is capable of reaching that level :].

 

[Junpappy]

In thirty pages of posts that make me vomit in rage, you haven't explained why advanced tactics don't take skill.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I dunno. You're right... there are harder obscure things that are probably better off not being in the game. I've never disagreed with L-cancelling, but it is technically hard and obscure. But at the same time there's a line to be drawn. Smash CAN be played competitively. I mean that as an absolute statement. Thus there is a level to the game where someone that sits in a closed off community most likely won't discover ways to beat people that thoroughly investigate it. That also means that there will be lots of techniques they won't discover. Smash is a very varied game with a lot of options, thus a lot of hybrid options will appear. Nintendo can't remove them all without making a shallow game. I'm not sure but you seem turned off by that fact. Gimpy and others discovered a bunch of sweet 'hybrid' techniques with the game, and they played for ONE day. There will be lots of things you have to practice to be good.

Yeah, sure, advanced techniques I know. If they took out everything it'd be gimped.

But they took out wavedashing and L-canceling, and the gameplay doesn't look gimped at all to me. And it makes it so people can't take advantage of these any longer. So how did it hurt anyone, really?

In thirty pages of posts that make me vomit in rage, you haven't explained why advanced tactics don't take skill.

They do take skill. And you never asked.
Not everyone has the skill or the ability or time to devote to mastering wavedashing or L-canceling, but they're forced to if they want to have any fun sometimes. Why not just take it out?

 

[Vijin]

Technically skill makes them better than ____. Glitches simply unfairly give them an advantage to add on to it.

The 'glitches' are out there. Just because you choose not to learn and apply it doesn't mean it's unfair.