Melee Techniques Being Left out of Brawl

[sugarpoultry]

And hey, I actually learn something when I lose. I might complain, but that only goes so far before you start to realize, hey... maybe I should stop being selfish and egotistical and start learning from my mistakes and lack of winning tactics. Maybe I'd get better?

Hey, it worked.

 

[Xsyven]

Well let's see here, Dogenzaka said in the first post that he'd be glad if Brawl was given a fresh start Adv. Tech wise to even the playing field

Cue 5 straight pages of people calling him a ***got, a troll, flamebait, a scrub, a noob, a john, that he should STFU and GTFO, that he should lern2play or not play the game at all

It's because he's being something called a hypocrite. THAT'S why we're angry.

He said in the first post that he'd be glad if Brawl was given a fresh start Adv. Tech wise to even the playing field. But at the same time, once those new adv. techs come out, he'll consider them cheap.

See?

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Nobody is making you post in the thread.

Whoah! Sorry, sorry, just trying to take the peaceful way out here...everyone's flaming everyone and insults are being thrown and...ya. I'm just trying to play peacekeeper here. Fine, I'll just leave. Sheesh.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Rock/Papers/Scissors?

Suddenly wavedashing and L-canceling gets taken out and Smash Bros. is borderline Pokemon in terms of gameplay mechanics and "Rock/Paper/Scissors"ish?

 

[TheMuffinMan0311]

We should start hosting Rock/Paper/Scissors tournaments.

Well, you guys are good at taking simple fun things and stripping them away in an overly serious manner so that you can show off your immense leet pro skills and make money, seeing as thats the only way to have fun in a game. Except, you should probably change the game to Rock Rock Rock, because Paper and Scissors add too many random elements into the game that might interfere with your skill

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Honestly, try hosting a no-cheating tournament and see how big the turnout is. Then host a cheating tournament and see how many attend. Cheating is where it's at.

 

[Vijin]

Whoah! Sorry, sorry, just trying to take the peaceful way out here...everyone's flaming everyone and insults are being thrown and...ya. I'm just trying to play peacekeeper here. Fine, I'll just leave. Sheesh.

Nooo don't go... that's one less person to argue with. <3

 

[Junpappy]

Whoah! Sorry, sorry, just trying to take the peaceful way out here...everyone's flaming everyone and insults are being thrown and...ya. I'm just trying to play peacekeeper here. Fine, I'll just leave. Sheesh.

Its very cheap of you to try to play peacekeeper...only because I dont want to play peacekeeper and I don't want to try to play peacekeeper, so you have an unfair advantage.

Why are you guys so sure you wouldn't enjoy a gaming environment you've never even experienced?

 

[Xsyven]

Kind of the point to the game. Although I don't use the C stick.

Sorry, I forgot that the C-Stick was cheap.

The point of the game is to be the last man standing. How you get there, is where the real fun is. The better you are at it, the more you'll win. That's what we do.

You seem to rely on luck, which is your idea of fun. You should stay out of casinos.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

Its very cheap of you to try to play peacekeeper...only because I dont want to play peacekeeper and I don't want to try to play peacekeeper, so you have an unfair advantage.

Tch, bitter much? I'm trying to calm things down and you're insulting me. Yeah, reaal mature.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

How come abuses of mechanics in real life sports don't count as glitches?

 

[Dogenzaka]

It's because he's being something called a hypocrite.

What the ****?
You guys are ANGRY because I oppose and stand with a different opinion than yours, and you don't like it. I'm not being hypocritical.

But at the same time, once those new adv. techs come out, he'll consider them cheap.

Um, NO. I said if they were out it'd be great. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[Vijin]

Point it out.

Well if you look down on these people who goto smash brothers tournaments, you obviously wouldn't goto a tournament yourself. Why, then, are you complaining about 'glitches' that you won't even encounter?


Mindgames.... I predict a response... OH RIGHT! Online play! But let's just go back to what you said earlier. We're the minority, right? They're appealing to the majority by taking these skills out supposedly, right? If we're such a minority, then you wouldn't be playing as many people who can can wavedash or L-canceling as you're saying you would!

There ya go.

 

[FalconPunch]

Since no one is paying attention to my posts, I'm outta here.

 

[TheMuffinMan0311]

You know, both Wavedashing and L-Canceling are gone, so either way both me and Dogenzaka have already won

Enjoy crying some more about not being able to Wavedash on your perfectly flat stages to show your skill

I'll be here enjoying the game and not being filled with blind rage at the thought of a hammer or bob-omb, because after all, it's just a game, a party game meant for good times and a barrel of laughs along with the nostalgia of Nintendo's past

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

We're saying there will be new advanced techniques in Brawl that we just do not know about yet. Wavedashing was discovered after Melee's release. Now it is universal, and people like you call it cheap. Brawl will introduce new stuff we currently don't know about. Then your kind will return and call us all cheaters once again.

 

[Angrylobster]

You know, both Wavedashing and L-Canceling are gone, so either way both me and Dogenzaka have already won

Enjoy crying some more about not being able to Wavedash on your perfectly flat stages to show your skill

I'll be here enjoying the game and not being filled with blind rage at the thought of a hammer or bob-omb

Oh ****, troll mode activate!

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

You know, both Wavedashing and L-Canceling are gone, so either way both me and Dogenzaka have already won

Enjoy crying some more about not being able to Wavedash on your perfectly flat stages to show your skill

I'll be here enjoying the game and not being filled with blind rage at the thought of a hammer or bob-omb

You know rubbing it in is not exactly going to get your point across.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Why are you guys so sure you wouldn't enjoy a gaming environment you've never even experienced?

What are you talking about? Muffin and I can both wavedash.

How come abuses of mechanics in real life sports don't count as glitches?

Because it's not software, and because it's considered "cheating" and you're disqualified instead.

You seem to rely on luck, which is your idea of fun. You should stay out of casinos.

Not using wavedashing or L-canceling means I rely on luck? Really now?

Mindgames.... I predict a response... OH RIGHT! Online play! But let's just go back to what you said earlier. We're the minority, right? They're appealing to the majority by taking these skills out supposedly, right? If we're such a minority, then you wouldn't be playing as many people who can can wavedash or L-canceling as you're saying you would!

Technically I would because way more hardcore players would play online than casual players. Yes casual players are the majority, but the minority (hardcore players) would be the majority of total online players.

 

[ShiroiKen]

We should start hosting Rock/Paper/Scissors tournaments.

Well, I think there's nothing as "cheapness" in this game.

Learn how to play, and if you don't want to WD, be like Aniki. Where did the idea of being cheap come from? For me, it doesn't make sense at all...

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I'm still confused at why L-canceling is "cheap" when it was programmed into the game.

 

[Junpappy]

Um, NO. I said if they were out it'd be great. Wtf are you talking about?

Glitches WILL be in Brawl, regardless of how much faith you have in Sakurai and his apostles.

You guys are assuming too much about Brawl based on the demo. Whose to say that the demo is exactly how the final product will play?

 

[Dogenzaka]

I'll be here enjoying the game and not being filled with blind rage at the thought of a hammer or bob-omb

I love bob-ombs. They're fun. I hear there's a way to play Melee online. *Googles*

We shall play! lol.

I'm still confused at why L-canceling is "cheap" when it was programmed into the game.

So are lots of accidental things left in games.

 

[TheMuffinMan0311]

Oh ****, troll mode activate!

Your side of the argument activated Troll Mode about a good 3 pages ago with your temper tantrums =P

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

There are probably more glitches in the demo than there will be in the final thing.

 

[FalconPunch]

Oh yea before I leave the "The programmer didn't intend for this" argument doesn't work so stop using it.

 

[Angrylobster]

Technically I would because way more hardcore players would play online than casual players. Yes casual players are the majority, but the minority (hardcore players) would be the majority of total online players.

you're wrong. If you look at all other online fighting game communities almost no pro's/high level players play online anyways due to lag restraints. It'll be the same for brawl after the first couple months i'm sure.

 

[Vijin]

You know, both Wavedashing and L-Canceling are gone, so either way both me and Dogenzaka have already won

Enjoy crying some more about not being able to Wavedash on your perfectly flat stages to show your skill

I'll be here enjoying the game and not being filled with blind rage at the thought of a hammer or bob-omb

But see, that's the thing... you think that just because these glitches' have been removed, you're going to suck less. Which simply isn't the case. When brawl comes out, you're still going to be stuck in your mindset that to have fun in smash, you gotta play 'honorably.' I honestly can't wait to see the next excuse you guys are going to come up with.

 

[Junpappy]

Why are you guys so sure you wouldn't enjoy a gaming environment you've never even experienced?

What are you talking about? Muffin and I can both wavedash.

You two have never been to a tournament hosted by smashboards members correct?

Wavedashing doesn't mean you've played competitive smash.

 

[Zephyr]

BTW, don't try to say that l-canceling wasn't programmed into it.

I'd even go so far as to say that Z-canceling was intended in 64.

I'll give you evidence if you call BS.

 

[Dogenzaka]

Oh yea before I leave the "The programmer didn't intend for this" argument doesn't work so stop using it.

Oh. It certainly does.

It seems the only people who even DISCOVERED wavedashing/L-canceling is by means of the internet, other than the person who invented it.

Sakurai and his team have no time to lurk the internet like others for example and probably have never even heard of these techniques. If they had never heard of these techniques, they probably didn't notice that they made an error in programming, and didn't take it out of Melee.

I've been an avid forum poster and internet lurker for a good few years now, and I didn't even hear about wavedashing until less than a year ago, and I'm an active internet user.

You honestly expect Sakurai and his team knew about this? They have lives. Busy lives. I mean, the Nintendo representatives at the announcement had never even heard of Ratchet and Clank before.

However, they probably heard about L-canceling by now, and that's probably why it's out of Brawl.

If it had been intended, they wouldn't have taken it out.

you're going to suck less.

You assume we want it out so that we can play better, and you assume we suck. Haha.

 

[zendavis]

Since this is going to be my only post on this forum, I might as well let it all hang out. You all are about the most pathetic bunch of whino *****es that I've seen on just about the entire internet. I only came to this board to look at Brawl impressions and here I find you crybaby losers whining about your stupid little techniques got pulled from the game. Tough ****. Get the **** over it.

If any of you had a half a brain, you would see that Nintendo has dumbed down your precious little Super Smash Brothers series in order to let your mothers, your fathers, your grandmothers, and your grandfathers to be able to enjoy the thing. It's absolutely mind-boggling how none of you can seem to freakin' comprehend this. As I've said to others, Brawl is to Melee what Metroid Prime 3 was to Metroid Prime 1. The fact that you're ****ting your bricks over such a thing makes me happy to be me and not to be any of you. If you don't like it, and it makes you all upset and emo, here's some advice. Kill yourself.

And if something like this makes you want to stop playing this game, you're even more pathetic than I thought (and man was that pretty **** pathetic). The core game of Smash Brothers is centered around a party experience. You guys have made it into something totally mutated and it's hideous corpse is finally being somewhat corrected by Nintendo and you have the nerve to act like this act was no different than being sexually molested by a Catholic Priest.

Please. You morons are taking your fun way too ****ing seriously. Get your priorities straight. Bye.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

BTW, don't try to say that l-canceling wasn't programmed into it.

I'd even go so far as to say that Z-canceling was intended in 64.

I'll give you evidence if you call BS.

BARBRA STRIESAND!!!!

You might want to explain, as to give peoples insight in on this tech.

 

[Dogenzaka]

You two have never been to a tournament hosted by smashboards members correct?

I've never even heard about this place until about 2 weeks ago.

Even then, a tournament hosted by you and me attending =/= whether or not i'm in competitive smash.

 

[Vijin]

Technically I would because way more hardcore players would play online than casual players. Yes casual players are the majority, but the minority (hardcore players) would be the majority of total online players.

Funny how a casual player is speaking for 'hardcore players.' I hate lag. Once tournaments pop up (assuming brawl is going to be a good, in depth game, which I'm hoping it is,) that's where your hardcore players are going to be. Hardcore players work with what the game gives them intentional or not, experiments with it, and take it to the next level. Going to tournaments for a challenge. Yeah, I'll try the online thing out, but there's no challenge in beasting on people online.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

...Sakurai and his team have no time to lurk the internet like others for example and probably have never even heard of these techniques. If they had never heard of these techniques, they probably didn't notice that they made an error in programming, and didn't take it out of Melee...
...However, they probably heard about L-canceling by now, and that's probably why it's out of Brawl...

There is an option within the game code to make wavedashing impossible in Melee, but they decided to not take it out, despite the fact that Nintendo did find out about it. And there's still the posibility of the demo including stuff like auto L-Cancel that the final game won't have.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I still don't know what you want. If you hate these tactics, then don't play people who use them. You remind me of the people who complain about the DOJO "spoiling" all the surprises for Brawl. Hey, here's an idea! DON'T VIEW THE FREAKIN' DOJO! Honestly, why try to convince the competitive community that we "cheat" and play "cheaply"? The bottom line is that we win when we play. Sorry this makes your life so difficult and "ruins" the online experience, but we like to have fun too. ^_^

 

[Dogenzaka]

If any of you had a half a brain, you would see that Nintendo has dumbed down your precious little Super Smash Brothers series in order to let your mothers, your fathers, your grandmothers, and your grandfathers to be able to enjoy the thing.

Obviously. Another way to put it would be "leveling out the playing field" as described in my first post.

You guys have made it into something totally mutated and it's hideous corpse is finally being somewhat corrected by Nintendo and you have the nerve to act like this act was no different than being sexually molested by a Catholic Priest.

Favorite quote of the night. Massive damage. 1+ lives.

If you hate these tactics, then don't play people who use them.

I have no problem playing with people who do them because I do know how to use them. I speak for the others out there who don't know these techniques.

 

[sugarpoultry]

Tournaments whether you use "advanced tactics" or not, make you better players. Period.

 

[zendavis]

Obviously. Another way to put it would be "leveling out the playing field" as described in my first post.



Favorite quote of the night. Massive damage. 1+ lives.



I have no problem playing with people who do them because I do know how to use them. I speak for the others out there and the wellness of the community as a whole.

And don't use me to prove your point. You're part of the problem. You should have had your say and walked away while these douches argued over programming and physics and whether Mario has hair on his *** and whether he should shave his *** hairs in order to go one frame faster.