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EXPERIMENTATION WITHIN THE GAMES ALLOTED ABILITIES. Is not air dodging an alloted ability in ssbm? Is not traction an alloted ability in ssbm? You combine these 2 abilites and viola, you get wave dashing.
Why do you insist on abiding by their rules, and not the physical limitations of the game?
I never said it was intentional, but that doesn't change the fact that it's there. Nintendo also failed to take it out even when they removed such tactics as flame canceling and nerfed several other moves in the PAL version.
Who says that you can't do both? What makes you think that your definition of fun and my definition of fun are the same, or that your definition is in some way superior to my definition?
Okay, you know what? That's it.
If it was an intentional gameplay mechanic, Nintendo would have talked about it. Same goes for L-canceling, and the reason why L-canceling probably wasn't taken out until Brawl is because it wasn't intended, and the developers are too busy to lurk the internet to find out these things. None of my friends know what this stuff is, and I didn't until about a year ago, and I'm an avid internet guy. The majority of people don't know these techniques. Most of you are telling the MAJORITY to "learn these techniques" rather than accepting the most logical solution to level people out would be to take out a technique the MINORITY knows.
That's the thing. It was the flawed physics system in the game that allowed people to discover these hidden techniques, and Brawl fixed it.
Let's see, "Down-Smash makes this guy fly up, from there I can jump up and use Up+B, neato that did 20% damage!"
I'd bet good money that I or any other skilled smasher would beat you even WITHOUT advanced tactics. Do you honestly believe that someone like Mew2king is only good because of advanced tactics? No. He's good because he plays the game smarter than anyone else. The advanced tactics just help him move faster and combo more efficiently, but even if you reduced him to only being able to use Marth's forward aerial and his forward smash, he would still **** the living **** out of you because he's THAT MUCH BETTER.
In a way that was unintended and destroys the balance of the game's physics.
That's a different story. If both people are on the same even situation where they both can use it, then there's no difference in advantages. It's a different story when you play with someone who can't do it however. Especially online.
You can choose not to use them if they're in the game. Those of us who want to use them, however, can't choose to utilize something that's taken out to please someone who says that people shouldn't be allowed to do what I or my friends don't have the time to practice learning.
Why does it destroy the "balance" of the game's physics? They are part of the game's physics.
And, as we've stated before, we don't disagree. Now that we are in complete agreement that a skilled player will win regardless, why argue so vehemently about how you WANT to win with these glitches/exploits? If you don't need them, but your very style of play forces anyone who gets involved with you to have to play that way, then eliminating it in the first place just takes out one step in the process. You say yourself that a skilled player will win no matter what, and I'm not saying anything to the contrary, but you'll be winning using altruistic means, not exploits
Doesn't this contradict that you tell everyone who doesn't like Wavedashing and the like, to simply learn to use it and join you? Why, according to you they are physically incapable of doing such, because there is just such an immense psychological barrier between you!
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Mommy! They're doing tricks that Sakurai never intended to be there! Go tell them to play fair!
They cater to the minority by taking it out. But wait, I thought that the majority of smashers don't play with advanced tactics. How then, can they be catering to the minority by taking out tactics the majority doesn't use you ask? Because the majority of people honestly don't give a ****ing **** about whether they're left in or not. How many people that aren't on smashboards even know about advanced tactics? Not very many according to you. So why would they give a **** if the tactics they didn't know were there are left in the game when they won't know that they're still in the game anyways? The minority I speak of refers to the people that actually know about wavedashing, and WANT it removed for Brawl, for whatever reasons they have.
Indeed they are! Glad you agree
No, see I'm out building my career that is actually going somewhere, investing money into my retirement, being able to do something nice for my girlfriend, and I get to have a good time with friends and actually laugh (instead of being filled with blind rage) when a box blows up or a hammer drops while playing Smash
Well it could be said (pretend that I'M not saying it) that you're merely wasting precious hours of your life obessessing over a mere video game and that the money making will only go so far.
It destroys the balance because the lag in the game was not meant to be canceled, and the characters' individual speeds were not meant to be tampered with.
No, you will. The techniques are out of Brawl, and the gameplay has been made a bit slower.
Choosing not to take advantage of cheap altruistic tricks makes me a lower-level player? That's just insulting.
Like?
My mommy must have told Sakurai something about it, because they're out of the game :3
Yes. Choosing not to take advantage of cheap altruistic tricks makes you a lower-level player. You can bicker all you want. I'm the one sitting here with free stuff won from tournaments.
Almost every fighting game has techniques that are found and used to reach a higher level of play. So far both the original smash as well as SSBM has had them. While there is a chance that Brawl could be a boring stagnant game with no higher levels of play, past games shows that this will probably will not come to pass, and there will most likely be new techniques found that casuals will loathe.
And I'm not the one obsessing over the notion of my precious X>Down>L button presses possible being eliminated, because I've wasted 3+ years of my life getting into the habit and training to press that sequence over and over and over again to exploit a glitch to get 'hardcore pro' at a party game?
You apparently play smash, but I'm sure you've won nothing at all. I guess it's more of a waste for you!
You're very ignorant if you believe that the game would be balanced either with or without advanced tactics. Sheik, Marth, and Fox would still be the best characters in the game regardless of these "glitches" and "exploits"
It makes you a lower-level player in the sense that you would lose to someone who chooses to take advantage of said tactics.
You're, again, being ignorant if you think that Brawl will be absolutely perfect and glitch free.
