Melee online

[a13c]

i was on the smash 64 threads and it said that you could play online with the emulator so i was wondering if you could do the same with melee

 

[Zodiac]

I would tell you yes but we aernt allowed to talk about it

 

[Kanelol]

SHHHHHH

its a secret

 

[a13c]

Wat do you mean

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

if there is melee online, I would say to look it up on google. I can't give a link here and I would not give a link here as it is illegal. I don't recommend because:

1.
The reason why smash 64 can be played online without any legality issues is since the n64 is not sold anymore as a normal item in stores. (Same reason why any non 1st-gen games/most 2nd-gen can basically be sold). I forgot the term for this but i think it is called the "obsolete clause"

In other words, since gamecube games and wii games, I.E. Brawl and melee are still sold, it is illegal.

3.
It also is known to take up a gigantic amount of space to even try and play the game with a reasonable FPS so unless you either have an alienware type computer, you will not be able to run it, let alone play it online. You will probably find only a collection of 40 or so people who play melee on their computers and of those, probably only 10 of them have a good enough computer to play it vs others.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

wait would is be illegal to play ps1 games? they still have the ps3 so I don't know if that's the same as how the n64 games work, becausse I think you can play ps1 games on the ps3.

 

[Cero]

You can play N64 games on the Wii via the virtual console.

 

[Glöwworm]

1.
The reason why smash 64 can be played online without any legality issues is since the n64 is not sold anymore as a normal item in stores. (Same reason why any non 1st-gen games/most 2nd-gen can basically be sold). I forgot the term for this but i think it is called the "obsolete clause"

it's illegal no matter how you put it

that issue is addressed on nintendo's website

 

[Jonas]

if there is melee online, I would say to look it up on google. I can't give a link here and I would not give a link here as it is illegal. I don't recommend because:

1.
The reason why smash 64 can be played online without any legality issues is since the n64 is not sold anymore as a normal item in stores. (Same reason why any non 1st-gen games/most 2nd-gen can basically be sold). I forgot the term for this but i think it is called the "obsolete clause"

In other words, since gamecube games and wii games, I.E. Brawl and melee are still sold, it is illegal.

And that's BS. First of all, you can still buy Smash 64. Ever heard of Virtual Console? Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's accessible or not. If you play pirated games, according to copyright laws, you simply play pirated games, no matter which games you play.

3.
It also is known to take up a gigantic amount of space to even try and play the game with a reasonable FPS so unless you either have an alienware type computer, you will not be able to run it, let alone play it online. You will probably find only a collection of 40 or so people who play melee on their computers and of those, probably only 10 of them have a good enough computer to play it vs others.

You don't need a supercomputer to run Dolphin smoothly. If you can play new games at a reasonable framerate, you won't have problems playing GC games.

 

[smakis]

And that's BS. First of all, you can still buy Smash 64. Ever heard of Virtual Console? Secondly, it doesn't matter whether it's accessible or not. If you play pirated games, according to copyright laws, you simply play pirated games, no matter which games you play.



You don't need a supercomputer to run Dolphin smoothly. If you can play new games at a reasonable framerate, you won't have problems playing GC games.

depends, dolphin dislike some processors and graphic cards, my old comp had 2 gb ram, 3.0ghz dual core intel pentium and a nvidia geforce 9800, still couldnt get above 30 fps

 

[Glöwworm]

2gb barely cuts it and dual core is meh. It depends on what series it is. Could be one of the lower end dual core series.

 

[LLDL]

a13c, yes you can. But the process is a bit more complicated than ssb64 and you have to have an extremely powerful computer and also high speed internet (not optimum, fios or higher) to play at full speed with minimal lag. So it's not really viable right now, but will be in the future.

 

[Zoler]

I hope playing melee online never gets standard. It would probably kill Melee. Would be pretty hard to get new people in the scene if everyone was playing at home by themselves.

 

[mastermoo420]

That's what Fox mains do most of the time anyways, LOLOLOLOL

btw I'm a Fox main.

 

[a13c]

a13c, yes you can. But the process is a bit more complicated than ssb64 and you have to have an extremely powerful computer and also high speed internet (not optimum, fios or higher) to play at full speed with minimal lag. So it's not really viable right now, but will be in the future.

thank you my computer can barley load smash boards so i think i will wait

 

[Siglemic]

lol, downloading a melee iso is not illegal if you own melee

if this gets locked mods are ********.

 

[LLDL]

Discussing the melee iso isn't illegal. posting links to it is, because not everyone here owns melee. This particular topic should be locked, we already have a melee online thread. several actually.

 

[Glöwworm]

lol, downloading a melee iso is not illegal if you own melee

if this gets locked mods are ********.

nintendo's website says otherwise

just like i told the OP, no matter how you put it, it's illegal. I've heard all the reasons why it's legal.

 

[Anth0ny]

nintendo's website says otherwise

just like i told the OP, no matter how you put it, it's illegal. I've heard all the reasons why it's legal.

well if you're going to take that literally, then it's illegal to watch movies with friends in their living room unless everyone owns the movie.

 

[Glöwworm]

no, they have a part on their website that specifically debunks all those "it's okay if i own the actual game" excuses

edit: here it is. this will cover most of the issues

Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

How Does Nintendo Feel About the Emergence of Video Game Emulators?

The introduction of emulators created to play illegally copied Nintendo software represents the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers. As is the case with any business or industry, when its products become available for free, the revenue stream supporting that industry is threatened. Such emulators have the potential to significantly damage a worldwide entertainment software industry which generates over $15 billion annually, and tens of thousands of jobs.

What Does Nintendo Think of the Argument that Emulators are Actually Good for Nintendo Because it Promotes the Nintendo Brand to PC Users and Leads to More Sales?

Distribution of an emulator developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software hurts Nintendo's goodwill, the millions of dollars invested in research & development and marketing by Nintendo and its licensees. Substantial damages are caused to Nintendo and its licensees. It is irrelevant whether or not someone profits from the distribution of an emulator. The emulator promotes the play of illegal ROMs , NOT authentic games. Thus, not only does it not lead to more sales, it has the opposite effect and purpose.

How Come Nintendo Does Not Take Steps Towards Legitimizing Nintendo Emulators?

Emulators developed to play illegally copied Nintendo software promote piracy. That's like asking why doesn't Nintendo legitimize piracy. It doesn't make any business sense. It's that simple and not open to debate.

People Making Nintendo Emulators and Nintendo ROMs are Helping Publishers by Making Old Games Available that are No Longer Being Sold by the Copyright Owner. This Does Not Hurt Anyone and Allows Gamers to Play Old Favorites. What's the Problem?

The problem is that it's illegal. Copyrights and trademarks of games are corporate assets. If these vintage titles are available far and wide, it undermines the value of this intellectual property and adversely affects the right owner. In addition, the assumption that the games involved are vintage or nostalgia games is incorrect. Nintendo is famous for bringing back to life its popular characters for its newer systems, for example, Mario and Donkey Kong have enjoyed their adventures on all Nintendo platforms, going from coin-op machines to our latest hardware platforms. As a copyright owner, and creator of such famous characters, only Nintendo has the right to benefit from such valuable assets.

Isn't it Okay to Download Nintendo ROMs for Games that are No Longer Distributed in the Stores or Commercially Exploited? Aren't They Considered "Public Domain"?

No, the current availability of a game in stores is irrelevant as to its copyright status. Copyrights do not enter the public domain just because they are no longer commercially exploited or widely available. Therefore, the copyrights of games are valid even if the games are not found on store shelves, and using, copying and/or distributing those games is a copyright infringement.

Haven't the Copyrights for Old Games Expired?

U.S. copyright laws state that copyrights owned by corporations are valid for 75 years from the date of first publication. Because video games have been around for less than three decades, the copyrights of all video games will not expire for many decades to come.

i'm not gonna shove this down people's throats in hopes that they stop downloading ROM's but the information is there and it is indeed illegal. i'm guilty of downloading ROMS too but i just hope you guys understand that it is illegal whether or not you do download ROM's/ISO's or find it unjust (:

 

[j00t]

It is illegal to download any video game (free of purchase) from the Internet that still has a valid copyright, even if you own an original copy of the game. Copyrights for all published works last for 95 years, so we still have about 60 years to go until Pacman becomes legal to download.

 

[j00t]

lol, downloading a melee iso is not illegal if you own melee

if this gets locked mods are ********.

lol, you're wrong

 

[SleepyK]

you don't need a super high end computer to run melee at 60fps constantly.

you could probably build/buy a bundle computer that runs melee fairly well for 300-500, which is average for a consumer desktop nowadays.
the issue is that you would, most likely, need very fast internet until scripts are written to fully optimize netplay. the game wasn't designed to be played online, so this will be very difficult and ping would still become an issue. even games designed for local network play have issues with pings higher than 20ish (halo1, mario kart double dash) so it would be the most useful for people in your area.

here's an idea that i had that i think would be the simplest and the closest to low bandwith lag-free way to play melee "online" that i posted in a similar thread a while ago.

you know, i had the same theory regarding playing online. basic controller inputs to the computer, then output again.

it would require
1) gc to usb
2) a usb to gc cable
3) a system to output controller inputs
4) an efficiently coded transfer program

and we theoretically would have simple online play with relatively low input latency. nobody here is a programmer by chance?

1) is for your inputs to the program
2) is for their inputs. you would plug them into their corresponding controller port.
3) any joystick input program is fine really
4) like other online games. kinda.

optimally you would sync your games to start at the same time, but because exact synching would be a problem, you could give each match a 10 second wait period before you both start moving.

obviously stages with random elements would not be able to be played (is the wind on dreamland random?)

it's not perfect, but it seems like the simplest and cheapest solution possible

 

[vZakat]

Just do it the old fashioned way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0zvt1VX23c

 

[ArstNeio]

Just like to point out that though Nintendo's website says that downloading a Melee ROM is illegal, copying the ROM from your Melee disc and making a backup copy by yourself is not illegal. I'm not sure if this is actually true but this is what I gathered from reading the wall of text.

"The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic."

Sounds like Nintendo is acknowledging that it is okay for the owner of the game to make a copy for backup, but not to download a backup off the Internet.

Though I'm not sure how they'll be able to tell whether the ROM you have is a backup you made yourself or one you downloaded...

 

[Glöwworm]

maybe

but let's be realistic, 98% of the people that have roms in their computer are downloaded from the internet. The other 1% is the people that make their own backups and the other 1% is the people that make their own backups but distribute it through the internet

 

[KAOSTAR]

DL wind may be random, but I know that if both players are on the same side it will always blow to that side.

Emulators themselves are not illegal, the bios is what gets ppl jailed. You are allowed to emulate using your own bios if you take it from a system that you own and have purchased legally. Thats why websites can give free direct DLs to psx xbox ps2 but the bios is always seperate.

Im pretty sure you can back up your own copies of games for personal use.


@the idiot who said you can watch a movie in your living room but everyone doesnt own the movie- You are an idiot, you can also play games with your friends but they dont have to own the game. Im pretty sure its illegal to copy the movie and give it to your friend.

 

[SleepyK]

maybe

but let's be realistic, 98% of the people that have roms in their computer are downloaded from the internet. The other 1% is the people that make their own backups and the other 1% is the people that make their own backups but distribute it through the internet

i know you're not arguing that if everybody has it it's ok, but this post strongly hints of it. well all know that it's wrong even if everyone else is doing it.

ON ANOTHER NOTE, DOES ANYONE ELSE LIKE MY IDEA

I SURE DO
LET'S GET TO WORKIN ON IT IS IT POSSIBLE

 

[LLDL]

Yes i love the idea, the only thing i see wrong with it is that it will always be desynchronized. If it's going through the computer and back to your cube with little or no lag, i don't see how it could send the signal to the other cube at the same rate that you're playing at since both cubes are offline.

 

[Glöwworm]

i know you're not arguing that if everybody has it it's ok, but this post strongly hints of it. well all know that it's wrong even if everyone else is doing it.

ON ANOTHER NOTE, DOES ANYONE ELSE LIKE MY IDEA

I SURE DO
LET'S GET TO WORKIN ON IT IS IT POSSIBLE

i was talking to artsneio


and yes, I do like your idea