MELEE-FC Tournament Ruleset Discussion

[Strong Badam]

lags with two ice climbers

 

[KishSquared]

Shouldn't ICs be banned? I'm quite certain that Nana's logic is partially determined by a RNG.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

 

[Kal]

Oh, bam, KishSquared just legalized Big Blue. Go Kish. <3

 

[Strong Badam]

Shouldn't ICs be banned? I'm quite certain that Nana's logic is partially determined by a RNG.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

Oh ****, you're right.

 

[Fregadero]

Luigi too guys

 

[omgwtfToph]

Hey Boat Mode, remember when you were in my APEX pool? Jesus, that **** was bizarre. I remember a bunch of NY guys hyping the **** out your Falco to me on some livestream and I got scared as ****.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Is that Sage Harpuia? **** yeah megaman Zero

 

[Fregadero]

Hey Boat Mode, remember when you were in my APEX pool? Jesus, that **** was bizarre. I remember a bunch of NY guys hyping the **** out your Falco to me on some livestream and I got scared as ****.

That entire thing was hilarious dude. You told me someone hyped my Falco and I was just like "uhh im rly bad teach me something while you **** me." You looked so relieved lol. We should play again the next national we're both at.

Who knew a gamertag would get me so much hype

 

[Dan Salvato]

Who knew a gamertag would get me so much hype

Get used to it. Mango asked to take a photo of me after HugS was complaining about me, lol.

 

[Bones0]

...really guys?

so your opponent will just pick their favorite stages and you'll automatically ban them every time?

no prediction or thought involved.

unless you opponent tries to mindgame you by choosing a stage that he doesn't want and forcing you to ban it

but that's a dumb way to to picks+bans lol

i realize that i'm obviously wrong since bones and kal both disagree with me

but i want to hear more reasons for such a drastic change in the picks+bans metagame

Well I said "something like that" on purpose. I agree the whole "did he suggest his best stage or his second best stage?" is an unnecessary mindgame scenario that forces more luck into the situation. I was more thinking along the lines of this:
1. Winner chooses character
2. Loser chooses character
3. Loser chooses 2 counterpicks
4. Winner bans one of the two
5. Play on the second cp that wasn't banned

That's just an alternative I'd like to try. I really don't see anything wrong with my original suggestion. The only argument actually made was Pink Reaper's, and it basically consisted of "you can rely on secondaries to cover your *** on bad stages" which is my whole goal of changing the system...

 

[Sliq]

I'm a silly goose.

 

[omgwtfToph]

That entire thing was hilarious dude. You told me someone hyped my Falco and I was just like "uhh im rly bad teach me something while you **** me." You looked so relieved lol. We should play again the next national we're both at.

Who knew a gamertag would get me so much hype

LOL hell yeah.

Is that Sage Harpuia? **** yeah megaman Zero

YEAH DUDE

 

[Deleted member]

Shouldn't ICs be banned? I'm quite certain that Nana's logic is partially determined by a RNG.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

I'm reasonably certain that most IC players don't know what a (P)RNG is.

 

[john!]

I'm reasonably certain that most IC players don't know what a (P)RNG is.

why not?

 

[Wake]

Hey guys, just ban Nana and turnip pulls.

 

[PEEF!]

I'm reasonably certain that most IC players don't know what a (P)RNG is.

I don't think I've heard anything as speculative and baseless in my life. I would absolutely love to hear what about your "certainty" is "reasonable."

 

[omgwtfToph]

Speaking of which, isn't Fly a PHD student in math?

 

[The Star King]

I don't think I've heard anything as speculative and baseless in my life. I would absolutely love to hear what about your "certainty" is "reasonable."

yeah lolwut @ Umbreon

 

[HoChiMinhTrail]

I don't think I've heard anything as speculative and baseless in my life. I would absolutely love to hear what about your "certainty" is "reasonable."

kinda like the argument ur trying to start llUlZ

 

[Kal]

Speaking of which, isn't Fly a PHD student in math?

Yeah, Fly is an algebraist.

Is that Harpuia as your avatar?

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yes .

 

[Kal]

Megaman Zero was so good.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yes @_@

I kinda wanna speedrun it LOL.

 

[Kal]

I did a run with no upgrades on Hard difficulty once. Never bothered with a speed run. The standard way to speed run Zero 2 was more appealing to me, as you would speed run the levels individually and then add up your total.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Zero 1 speed runs arent very interesting since you literally just skip all of the missions. I do love me some MM Zero though

Megaman X is still the best game to speed run imo

 

[Kal]

I did a no-upgrade run on Megaman X, but couldn't beat Sigma. T_T

 

[Pink Reaper]

I did a reverse run on MMX before. Bosses in reverse, Chill penguin as last, buster only. Sigma was HAAAAAAAAAARD lol but it was cool, it took two tries to beat him >_>

 

[omgwtfToph]

Zero 1 speed runs arent very interesting since you literally just skip all of the missions. I do love me some MM Zero though

Not 100% speedruns or S-Rank speedruns...

 

[unknown522]

Strong Bad is mistaking PP for Colbol at TO4... Darkrain beat Kage, Hbox, and Colbol to take that tourney.

This is still one of the greatest combos I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFsQ9oxPGdI#t=4m55s

lol, darkrain doing the impossible. Day by day

Not 100% speedruns or S-Rank speedruns...

this

 

[Kal]

I did a reverse run on MMX before. Bosses in reverse, Chill penguin as last, buster only. Sigma was HAAAAAAAAAARD lol but it was cool, it took two tries to beat him >_>

Wow, I tried to beat Sigma for three straight hours. Could get past his dog, but no further. This was without health upgrades, E-Tanks, and using only the buster.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Sigma form 1 is super easy he has a really abuseable attack loop. Watch any speed run vid, it's literally just going up the wall, going down the wall->repeat

FC should have a Megaman X Speed Run tournament imo

 

[Krynxe]

This isn't the social thread guys, try to keep this topic on track. Please keep the irrelevant discussion to a minimum here.

If you blindly object to the ruleset, I would suggest being sincere with your opinions or remaining abstained from the discussion.

Kish seems to be trying to get genuine feedback but this must be difficult for him. He's trying to make this tournament as best as he can for everybody, so lets help him do that

 

[Get Low]

The general happiness of Melee players if the standard ruleset is used > The general happiness of Melee players if this FC ruleset is used.

Obviously, if this ruleset is causing so much commotion, it shouldn't be used, especially when there is already a standard, widely accepted ruleset that exists.

 

[Smasher89]

Yea, look at the pokemon metagame which is now the same as the melee metagame. Complain to get something banned>learn, play, win

 

[Kal]

If Melee players were generally happier if we banned Jigglypuff, would we ban Jigglypuff? I used to think the answer was an obvious "no," but I'm a little unsure now.

It just seems obvious to me that the general happiness of players doesn't take precedence over the legitimacy of the ruleset. It's a tournament, intended for competition. Not a Smashfest.

 

[Strong Badam]

we should ban jigglypuff though
and falco
and ice climbers

 

[Bones0]

And DK. Cargo uair **** is so cheap.

 

[Strong Badam]

yes, please ban DK so I can use another character

 

[Smasher89]

we should ban jigglypuff though
and falco
and ice climbers

Sorry but the only legitimate bans is on peach and G&W, they have too much randomness that can influence a match once every half year.

EDIT: To not forget ICs 10 infinites, Marths uthrow to kills, shieks for chaingrabs!!!

EDIT2 after bones post
Luigi for misfire, DL for wind, Mewtwo for shadowball(?) where the only questionable is m2s shadowball if it is random or not.

 

[Bones0]

^Luigi

Also, is Mewtwo's Shadowball path random?