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[NeighborhoodP]

Plus you have to be flawless with every character at the top level...

 

[Miharu]

hydro hydro, i don't know why you insist in turning it into some dramatic pissing contest when you're seemingly intentionally being so close minded.

think about it. what was the original hypothetical composed? something like "falco sucks [relative to sheik]." if you're going to come out and say such an inane statement, then what about players XYZ 123 who have dramatic tournament success with falco, compared to the handful of equally accomplished sheik players? at the very least it suggests your opinion is compromised or jaded in some form if you believe that's the case. either that or you're just attention wh0ring. at the most we're talking about stuff on the margins, but it's undeniable it's a lot easier to get falco on the level of pro, which is a point in and of itself that i'm sorry you can't see.

i shouldn't have to connect the dots for you. stop taking it so literally.

You're not connecting the dots for me; I'm just making you justify the points which your arguments are based on, such as "it's a lot easier to get falco on the level of pro," which is a load of **** in and of itself, for various reasons.

Eh? Just because more Falco players win more tournaments than Sheik players prove absolutely nothing, because it's a given fact that there are more Falco players at a semi-pro level (and upwards) than there are Sheik players.

Again, the number of players using character X is NOT directly correlated to how GOOD the character actually is.

However, before continuing, it'd probably be wise to define the word "pro" in it's context; are we using "pro" in the sense of a professional player (one who plays/competes for money), or "pro" in the sense that they are at the top in terms of skill level? It's pointless to even debate/argue this if you're going to initially be unclear about the definition of a word (in this case, "pro"), then later use this ambiguity to your advantage.

It's kind of amusing how you decide to label me as being "jaded/closeminded/an attention *****" when I decide to point out the flaws in your argument.

^ tech skill is not hard to get flawless with. it's mere muscle memory that every human has the capacity to do and replicate. and no, playing vs falco you have to play flawlessly since you only get a handful of openings per stock and any mistakes are punished easily and harshly.

Care to explain why nobody is flawless when playing, then? If it's weren't hard to get "flawless with" then the smash scene would be a lot different than it is now. That's why jab resets work; people FAIL to tech.

Do you even know ANYTHING about any Falco matchups? It's the other way around. Sure, Falco has a superior pressure game, but he lacks the killing ability that most of the other top characters have. Add that to his abysmal recovery, and you can see why anyone playing against Falco can afford to mess up more than just a few times than the Falco player. Fox has shine/usmash, Sheik/Marth have a far superior edgeguarding game (and can arguably combo just as well given excellent DI), Falcon has knee, and so on.

sheik gets ***** by the two most common characters in the game, and she doesn't **** the rest of the cast of good characters nearly as well as fox and falco do, save for marth. and considering that marth matchup is one of the main things sheik can hang her hat on, it's really quite close once the marth is good.

Sheik doesn't get ***** by Falco. The matchup is rather even, to be honest. Pretty sure you're basing this off of personal experience.

 

[Little England]

^^ since when is a pro somebody who competes for money? lol If that were true a random n00b entering a tourney would be called a pro. If I took your statement less literally, I'd be called a pro even though I suck at melee and I've been going to some tournaments for 2+ yrs. haha

 

[mikeHAZE]

lets just agree fox sucks

 

[ResidentWaffle]

no u

(10 shinespikes)

 

[Miharu]

^^ since when is a pro somebody who competes for money? lol If that were true a random n00b entering a tourney would be called a pro. If I took your statement less literally, I'd be called a pro even though I suck at melee and I've been going to some tournaments for 2+ yrs. haha

rofl

wrong definition my bad; meant something more along the lines of travels + places decently + makes a substantial amt of money (since it's nigh-impossible to have professional smashing to be your sole source of income)

pretty sure we all agree mike's fox sucks np :D

 

[Little England]

haha ^

One more thing, people need to stop throwing out the word "perfect".....even if it isn't used in a literal sense (which is how it is supposed to be). =/

 

[replicate]

back to topic. . .

mango, if you wanted to stay at my house after oxnard for a couple of days I think that'd be possible

I have a friend living with me right now, and P is coming tomorrow, so I don't see how one more can hurt

^_^

 

[araknophobik]

mango
i finish summer school on the 8th
so im thinking the next week i can house you for a day or 2
and if i have work i can drop you off at luigis while im gone
i'll pick you up but id rather not drop you off
anyone wanna pick up mango in san bernardino in his tour through socal?

mango you should stay a day somewhere and have that person drop you off to the nearest person the next day.

 

[embracethe12]

just have enough money/living stuff for like 2 weeks and go from house to house.
like forward did for a while lol

 

[Danimals]

thats why ima bust a forward

call me this weekend

while and pats

and who will get mango first

lol

-mangooooooo

 

[choknater]

make a thread called brawl community please

 

[Little England]

mango
i finish summer school on the 8th
so im thinking the next week i can house you for a day or 2
and if i have work i can drop you off at luigis while im gone
i'll pick you up but id rather not drop you off
anyone wanna pick up mango in san bernardino in his tour through socal?

mango you should stay a day somewhere and have that person drop you off to the nearest person the next day.

If this happens, I'll go to Weegee's place

 

[ConnorTheKid]

Finally, somebody pays attention to WEEGEE!!!

 

[NeighborhoodP]

You're not connecting the dots for me; I'm just making you justify the points which your arguments are based on, such as "it's a lot easier to get falco on the level of pro," which is a load of **** in and of itself, for various reasons.

None of which you illustrate.

Eh? Just because more Falco players win more tournaments than Sheik players prove absolutely nothing

lol. ever heard of metagame?

Again, the number of players using character X is NOT directly correlated to how GOOD the character actually is.

Good thing that's not exactly what I said, but lol @ thinking there's no correlation regardless. that'd be naive and foolish.

It's pointless to even debate/argue this

It's not a debate because I don't give a ****, so I'm not going to bother helping you wrap your mind around stuff about something neither of us are going to change our mind about. Gee, I don't know, what kinda pro am I using duh?

It's kind of amusing how you decide to label me as being "jaded/closeminded/an attention *****" when I decide to point out the flaws in your argument.

It sure makes you sound pretty downright stupid to imply the large amount of success from various Falco players is just a luck of the draw. I mean, it's not like humans are going to put themselves in the best position they can at this game or anything by using whichever characters help them win the most, and if one of those characters commonly helps people win the most, it's a strong indicator that, well, it's a better character than one that doesn't...

Probably just a coincidence.

Care to explain why nobody is flawless when playing, then? If it's weren't hard to get "flawless with" then the smash scene would be a lot different than it is now. That's why jab resets work; people FAIL to tech.

Think about it. Hard in what context? It's not hard to become near flawless in tech skill; there are a fair amount of 14-year-olds who prove that it's not hard to do if you just practice.

but he lacks the killing ability that most of the other top characters have.

lol. You can just spam spaced fsmashes out and it kills, and it's unpunishable. Tofu is a great example of this. And even if Falco has to wait until 130% to kill every time, it really doesn't make a big deal because dealing damage for Falco is "np"

Pretty sure every good Falco I've played and seen doesn't have problem finishing. Maybe -- gasp -- you're just not that good a Falco.

Sheik doesn't get ***** by Falco. The matchup is rather even, to be honest.

Kind of supports what I just said if you think the matchup is close to even lmao.

 

[Miharu]

Too lazy to quote + paste etc.

You did say the exact words "tech skill is not hard to get flawless with," and you slip in the word "nearly." This among other instances merely demonstrates how you like to pick and choose when to adhere to certain standards when it's convenient for yourself, and how you choose to blatantly ignore them just as quickly as you'd ***** about someone not following them. Fact is, it's nearly impossible to maintain perfect tech skill.

Most Falco mains use Fox. Think this plays a role in anything?

Fox kills earlier and more consistently, as do Marth/Sheik/Peach/anything versus Falco than Falco can himself. And as for my Falco being good/bad, pretty sure it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. But if it matters, it beat your Sheik in a friendly (amg) because you said you had no money left for a MM. If you care, that is.

The Sheik and Falco matchup is even, no matter how much that you insist that it's heavily in Falco's favor. Nice job using an ad hominem argument when you have no better way of disproving/contesting a point.

Just because you happen to lose to Falcos/do poorly against them/hate laser spam/etc doesn't mean that the Sheik vs Falco matchup favors Falco. Pretty sure the majority of the community agrees with me when I say that the Sheik vs Falco matchup is more or less even, and not as lopsided as you make it out to be.

To state it simply, in this specific matchup, Sheik can gimp, tech chase, kill, edgeguard, and recover better than Falco can. Falco has an arguably better pressure/combo game, but that's about it.

Why so serious?

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Yes because lucky's only 99% tech perfect so i lose

i stopped reading your post after that

a true fact: to be pro level at melee requires perfection. settling for anything less is a loser mindset. obviously actual perfection is impossible to obtain, but practical near perfection that is nearly unexploitable in-game is common among truly good players.

i played tofu and lucky for hours on monday. if one of us messes up, the other is getting *****. so we rarely mess up. it's that simple.

 

[Race]

man .. . teach me how to play melee, brawl is sux

I got ***** pretty bad today, and It totally made me switch sides

 

[araknophobik]

so i was thinking
i'll pick up mango the 8th or 9th
and on the 10th i can take him to S&C
where the next melee player to house him can pick him up
and in doing so we can actually have a turnout for a melee S&C tourny

 

[killer tofu]

Tofu is a great example of this.

I love mah name!!!!!!!!!!
falco sux

 

[mikeHAZE]

maybe fabian

 

[LuCKy]

Yes because lucky's only 99% tech perfect so i lose

i luv ma name too.....lol

and falco can suck....just like falcon xD......but they still **** :D

 

[Kamikaze Kitsune]

Who should WE take housing with after the tourney, Mango. That's right, SW, HIS BFF <3 will for some reason also need a house to sleep in.
>_>
<_<
How many alternate accounts does this Fox have? ...4 or 5? Snarf.

 

[Shmooguy]

Falco beats sheik, it's only even when Drephen plays it

Also everybody has a Falco secondary, especially anyone who mains anything less than high tier

Falco is a much easier character to use imo, I spam easy, obvious approaches and basic tech skill and it works, with sheik I have to work much harder to achieve the same results. My whole Falco game = laser, dair, shine, continue combo with dairs and uptilts. Edgeguarding is just as effective as sheik's if done right and much easier in some regards (best spike in the game is soo easy to edgeguard with). I change up my approach slightly in terms of lasering to grab, camping with lasers, lasering then doing an aerial behind them to uptilt, and sometimes after I do an aerial I'll jab and then shine afterwards but that's all I use, the rest is just reading my opponent and it's WAY easier to punish with Falco than it is with sheik and it does more too.

Everyone's matchup opinions are based off personal experience and if they aren't it's based off of some pro's opinion that they follow blindly and unquestionably which is just being ignorant.

KDJ and Plank also use Fox, I was told Plank uses his Fox in dittos only but it just goes to show that sheik can't do it on her own. Also everyone forgot Tope, that guy uses bairs really well and ONLY uses sheik. Plus he tech chases like a beast

A LOT less people have experience with sheik compared to Falco, very few people know how difficult it is to do things with sheik

Umm... forgot what other points were made but Mango I would house/feed you if I were in town.. but I leave Sat so I don't think that's enough time to do anything until I get back =/

RACE you like Melee now? =) GG

brawl noobs don't understand how much more depth Melee has.. they think it's all tech skill rofl

EDIT - Tofu lets learn ganon

 

[embracethe12]

oh sht, whoever houses mango might also have to house Silent wolf?!
that's double reason to be housed in the 805. we're the closest after oxnard tourney.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Yeah I forgot, Plank used Fox pretty often, just cause Sheik isn't good. I'm also pretty sure Tope has a Fox.

KDJ also has a **** Marth he uses often too. There are very few dedicated Sheik mains.

 

[ResidentWaffle]

just omar lol

 

[Proud_Smash_N00b]

man .. . teach me how to play melee, brawl is sux

I got ***** pretty bad today, and It totally made me switch sides

host a Melee tourney
or play Melee when you host friendlies

unless you were joking lol

 

[replicate]

RACE you like Melee now? =) GG

brawl noobs don't understand how much more depth Melee has.. they think it's all tech skill rofl

rofl don't u know that melee is just one mistake and then 0-death comboesz??!

tah'ts why brawl is more better because there is mindgames involved




race I'd love to play melee with you
leon is learning too, who is plan9's buddy

 

[ConnorTheKid]

rofl don't u know that melee is just one mistake and then 0-death comboesz??!

sounds sexy lol

 

[EdreesesPieces]

And for some strange reason the fact that you need tech skill to pull off your mind games, makes some people think that you don't need mind games to win. Very puzzling O_o

 

[killer tofu]

EDIT - Tofu lets learn ganon

i'm working on it

 

[samdaballer]

And for some strange reason the fact that you need tech skill to pull off your mind games, makes some people think that you don't need mind games to win. Very puzzling O_o

mindgames right there

 

[Shmooguy]

rofl don't u know that melee is just one mistake and then 0-death comboesz??!

tah'ts why brawl is more better because there is mindgames involved

LOL

you have to make a lot more than one mistake to get 0-death combo'd

sorry you haven't improved your knowledge enough to see the mindgames in melee yet

and the retardery in brawl

maybe next time lil rapist =P

 

[MaNg0]

make a mistake against me

=D

 

[mikeHAZE]

i do all the time

 

[LuCKy]

LOL

you have to make a lot more than one mistake to get 0-death combo'd

sorry you haven't improved your knowledge enough to see the mindgames in melee yet

and the retardery in brawl

maybe next time lil rapist =P

im sure he wasnt serious kira lol

anyways... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30J3P3VxsMU

vote this one star lol

mike go talk some **** to him or something lol nobody does it better

****er uses my name he has a crappy intro .....well its kinda funny LOL

he has a target test as the first clip lol'

and there is like cpus just standing there in the combo video waiting for him to combo them


and yes he can combo since cpus or the people hes playing dont DI or air dodge





1 star people you got this

 

[xDARKLINKx]

Mangos at my house

****

 

[Grunt]

1 star people you got this

lol, doin it now.
Eat a D!ck, amirite?

 

[NeighborhoodP]

LOL

you have to make a lot more than one mistake to get 0-death combo'd

you haven't seen my marth v fox game