Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Terywj [태리]]

Hey the game's over, but there's still no reason for you to be talking like that, Adumb.

 

[adumbrodeus]

No, Ryker's ego is too damn much. Yea he's pretty good when he actually decides to engage himself but this whole "the rest of the world can burn" attitude is just too much.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Adum, please get over your Ryker fetish. I said it during the game and I'll say it again. You have some infatuation with the idea of lynching me and you let it affect your play. Your case was balls. You made it ONLY because you thought the word count would make the sheep follow you. Too bad it had no substance.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Bleh. Not at all how I expected this game to end...

I think just in terms of player power, this town had one of the best, if not THE best overall town this site has ever seen. Too bad we were all at each others throats all game and some of us seriously underperformed (myself definitely included).

I don't really think my D1 play was bad at all. I drew the NK like I intended, and was able to get the info out to minimize confusion as to the game's set up. My reads were all that great this game but as we all seem to agree here, a lot of people were looking REALLY scummy for no good reason really.

Everyone on town side seemed to have really bad and otherwise dissimilar reads this game, and that hurt us a lot. We really had a hard time coming to consensus about who scum were. We all seemed to have our own ideas about who the bad guys were, and then in trying to put together lynches, we kind of forgot about going after our top targets and solidifying the top choice, and instead just went about lynching 2nd and 3rd picks and settling for that. Def ended up being a late game problem.

Despite the difficulty introduced for this town by the poor town play exhibited by most players, I definitely think this game would have been much different if Tery hadn't been so selfish and killed HIS personal pick for scum over what the town was telling him to do. That seriously put us WAYYYY behind, and created the bad situation of having to choose between JTB and Boat that WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

So many people had said they didn't want Boat in endgame. What the **** came over you and made you think that killing ****ing RR was a good, pro town idea? Like seriously, if you're indecisive (WHICH YOU CLEARLY ARE) just ****ing do what the town wants! If anything, you should feel MORE INCLINED to do that and be LESS AFRAID of making a "bad call" because if the whole town is wrong about their strategy, at least the fall isn't on you entirely. But when you just give the town the middle finger and do whatever the **** you feel like with ZERO sense of team play, you're just being rebellious and defiant for no good ****ing reason.

If if Boat or JTB had been venge'd we'd have been in a MUCH clearer position for LYLO. Shoot JTB, and we have a scum gone removing us from the lylo situation. Shoot Boat, and now AB finds out that his read was **** and has to revaluate the game, thus putting them in a more clear headed and analytical position for the pending LYLO.

Shooting RR gave us what? The ****ing chaos that ensued in LYLO with people screaming for Boat's blood? Yeah Tery, you seriously ****ed us with that shot.

Not that the whole loss is on you. Like I said, a lot of people left much to be desired, myself included. But when you have the kind of power you do in a game to really shape the future of the game KNOWING YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE AND SHOULD BE HELPING THE REMAINING PLAYERS TO MAXIMIZE THEIR ABILITY TO CLEAN UP THE REST OF THE SCUM, you seriously need to ****ing think straight and make the right call. be ****ing useful AT LEAST when you have nothing to lose by doing what the town is asking you to do.

Like seriously, I don't think you realize exactly how different of a game this would have been if you had shot JTB or Boat. I easily vote that shot of yours for scum MVP.

But all in all I don't really see anyone as deserving MVP here. Circus and JTB were obvscum. Inferno was the only one the tricked me, but that was mostly as a result of noob appeals and just generally coasty and under the radar play. Doc claim was a pretty ballsy idea though. I should've been a bit more skeptical because of my BPness but me being one shot wasn't enough to make me not believe we had a doc.

Basically infern played like a diet Mister Eric in the Jungle republic newbie game (newbie 3 I think?) and could have definitely pulled the win out even if JTB died, but regardless it wasn't an MVP performance. You played well by dodging attention and letting town eat itself alive, but that very scenario should showcase the fact that the win didn't come as a result of any spectacular play on your part but rather sub-par town play that you simply rode to victory.

Apologies again to the town for my underperformance. I had the LSAT and midterms through days 2 and 3. Not a whole lot I was able to do but john john john. >_< Shouldn't happen like that next time.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think just in terms of player power, this town had one of the best, if not THE best overall town this site has ever seen.

 

[th3kuzinator]

haha mister eric in jungle republic

 

[tHe-Man]

The mistake Tery made was being in a position to be lynched in the first place. Had I gone first, then JTB would've been lynched, but nothing would've saved RR.

 

[Raziek]

I think just in terms of player power, this town had one of the best, if not THE best overall town this site has ever seen. Too bad we were all at each others throats all game and some of us seriously underperformed (myself definitely included).

Ryker, EE, Omni, Swiss, Chucky, J, Moriarty, Kuz, Circus, Gheb.

Ryker's ideal town, via skype.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Note: Super does not include RR, Tery, and Rajam.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ Gheb, meh I overstated a bit. Now that I think about it, that's probably not true. Plus I doubt you and I agree as to who are "power players" and why. Which I totally get. Just intuitively looking at this list of players in this game made me attribute more weight and "vetness" so to speak to this game than most others i've seen played recently.

Saying it had the most powerful lineup of players was definitely and bad way to put it. Whoops.

The mistake Tery made was being in a position to be lynched in the first place. Had I gone first, then JTB would've been lynched, but nothing would've saved RR.

I seriously doubt the bolded. I would've gone for infern over RR all ****in dai.

Ryker, EE, Omni, Swiss, Chucky, J, Moriarty, Kuz, Circus, Gheb.

Ryker's ideal town, via skype.

What does this have to do with anything I said lol?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adum, please get over your Ryker fetish. I said it during the game and I'll say it again. You have some infatuation with the idea of lynching me and you let it affect your play. Your case was balls. You made it ONLY because you thought the word count would make the sheep follow you. Too bad it had no substance.

No ryker, my case proved that you were trying distract attention from yourself by pushing lynches on anyone convenient because your survival was all that mattered to you.


The only problem was that I didn't realize that you were the only person in the universe with an ego large enough to do it as a VT.



So alright, I misread you dumb*ss, you can enjoy that. But your play was so utter crap that it made you an automatic lynch when it was revealed what your intentions were, and what did you accomplish through that play? Nothing. Raz was town, and pretty obviously so after analysis, you got yourself lynched in lylo, and you managed to push tery to shoot the worst possible target, the only one out of the group that was likely town.


You did absolutely nothing right in my game, my only real error was assuming your ego had some bounds, evidently I was wrong.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

K .

 

[Inferno3044]

Why are people hating on my fake claim? I thought it was a smart move to fake a standard power role that wasn't in the game. Also pretend I was actually doc and raker was scum. If they NK'd me who would they mislynch? Mod confirmed AB? Obv. town nich? N1 target Frozen? There wouldve been no mislynch option for scum. Also I just wanna point out that everyone who has hated on my claim died before I made it.

I know im biased on the mvp thing but my doc claim definitely made pretty big impact. Do you guys really think that the rest of the town would've chosen to lynch me over boat AND Red Ryu? Especially after I claimed doc. I even had a backup plan if jtb was lynched by performing no kill to make it appear that I protected correctly. Also multiple people said I would be the only possible choice for mvp.

OS you didn't answer my question. Where did I slip in your mind?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nobody was hating.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm pretty sure Nabe night killed me because of this

Didn't even see you say that, haha. I was aiming for a vig claim later, so I was literally just pandering to town sentiments when I shot you.

 

[Raziek]

It was a smart claim, but the reason I voted No MvP is that it wasn't really any scum brilliance that won the game. It was Town fighting amongst themselves.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What? I had definitely set out the thought process to why scum was eliminated to three possibilities and why I was willing to take Inferno for granted for the moment.

Why in the hell would I give myself up? I had one shot to find scum and I made an error in judgement when I let Inferno off. So what if I'm lynched the following day? The only thing that would come out of my lynch then would be that I would have no hand in the preceedings the following day.

As for the Raziek lynch? Look at the game. You gained NOTHING after a Boat flip and you weren't lynching me for ANYTHING serious. In fact, no one had submitted a case of any sort. The only reason I was considered scummy that game instead of null was because AB decided to spend the entire game dragging my name through the mud. If it's repeated over and over, people will have it in there minds that something must be there. Sure sucks when you're wrong.

I never expect you to give yourself up as town or scum, I expect you to play better than this.

Your sole reason for pushing others was to get attention off yourself and not dying. That was it, only time you got active was when the idea of putting you on the chopping block came up.

AB's wall of text case had some WIFOM, but the meat of the whole was enough to put suspicion on you.

Face it, no one had you as anything but null or worse, not because of AB tunneling, but because you did jack to convince people you were town or worthy to be trusted. I can't tell if you did or not, but you were a contributing factor to why town lost, just like a lot actions that happened, when you wee active.

I'm **** at mafia and I can even tell when someone screws up.

Play better.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Your sole reason for pushing others was to get attention off yourself and not dying. That was it, only time you got active was when the idea of putting you on the chopping block came up.

Wrong.

AB's wall of text case had some WIFOM, but the meat of the whole was enough to put suspicion on you.

Also wrong. Say what you will, but I don't even believe you read the entire thing given your behavior in the game. You're just assuming it had something because it was large. Please point out the issue with my rebuttal if you are so certain.

Face it, no one had you as anything but null or worse, not because of AB tunneling, but because you did jack to convince people you were town or worthy to be trusted. I can't tell if you did or not, but you were a contributing factor to why town lost, just like a lot actions that happened, when you wee active.

Null would've been absolutely fine given the situation.

I'm **** at mafia and I can even tell when someone screws up.

I'm not saying I played perfectly. I'm saying that the reasons stated for voting me were bogus and that AB made a huge mistake with tunneling me the entire game and refusing to entertain the possibility that I could flip town the final two days. In fact, Adum was so obsessed with my lynch that he quick voted in LyLo rather than letting cooler heads prevail.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why are people hating on my fake claim? I thought it was a smart move to fake a standard power role that wasn't in the game. Also pretend I was actually doc and raker was scum. If they NK'd me who would they mislynch? Mod confirmed AB? Obv. town nich? N1 target Frozen? There wouldve been no mislynch option for scum. Also I just wanna point out that everyone who has hated on my claim died before I made it.

I know im biased on the mvp thing but my doc claim definitely made pretty big impact. Do you guys really think that the rest of the town would've chosen to lynch me over boat AND Red Ryu? Especially after I claimed doc. I even had a backup plan if jtb was lynched by performing no kill to make it appear that I protected correctly. Also multiple people said I would be the only possible choice for mvp.

OS you didn't answer my question. Where did I slip in your mind?

The issue is more so how town screwed up a lot, which helped scum get freebies they didn't really influence.

Tery shooting me depite everyone saying Boat, quick lynch, tunneling etc.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

None of you questioned why the doc was still alive? :/

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

None of you questioned why the doc was still alive? :/

Why would we when he was a complete null factor and scum literally could not kill him because they had no other avenue to push a mislynch if Inferno was town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

None of you questioned why the doc was still alive? :/

I did but when I was about to bring it forth the game was already over -_____-

 

[Gova]

No, because scum teams get called dumb and that means they aren't smart enough to kill the doctor which obviously means the doctor is town.

Obviously.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I think Inferno/Ryker would have been a good push leading to Ryker winning. Ryker dies. JTB/Niche/AB would have been between AB/JTB with Niche having hammer. At least, that's the way I was thinking it would have panned out when I scoped out the end of the game. AB v. JTB would have been fun to watch. Or even any combination of the three, except for Niche v. AB. :/

Oh and I also didn't mean that in a condescending manner. I was just surprised the day went by so fast when everyone seemed to active and were trying to push lynches. Imo I would prefer town pushing and being wrong, rather than town just being sheeped by mafia who dictate lynches every day. It stinks that scum was able to coast with sub-par play (in comparison to town who was pushing for various lynches), but you can't just policy lynch an entire roster based on that criteria alone, otherwise you'd just kill half your roster and you wouldn't be playing mafia.

 

[Inferno3044]

Shoutout Time:

1. Inferno3044 - I know it's biased but I thought I did very well. I probably won't be able to use the noob card anymore unfortunately. MVP!
2. JTB - I enjoyed being scum with you and we really worked well together. Hope to be scum buddies again.
3. Overswarm - I'll be honest. I heard from Pierce you were good (and good in Pierce's eyes means you're really ****ing good) and I wasn't sure what you could do. I definitely wanted to get on your good side but the more confusing/shady you got the more I drifted away. Also I was confident that if I was gonna be brought down it would be by you. So happy Nabe killed you. Also a big thank you for getting 4 people to claim (AB, Tery, Boat, Raziek). I can definitely see you as being a very scary scum. Also I read Crono Trigger mafia. Still think that town was ****ing dumb for lynching a confirmed town that led the lynch on the mafia boss, but Omni's play was just brilliant.
4. Red Ryu - You need to take more incentive. Push people more and make your own claim. Don't just sheep around because that is scummy.
5. Circus - I thought you did well. Definitely pushed it with the Frozen lynch, but I'm surprised Nich caught you like that. Also thanks for distancing me. The whole "lynch Tery" thing I thought was a poor move and sealed your lynch.
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus) - I'll be honest. I was disappointed in this slot. It played really poorly and you guys were really stubborn about everything without trying. It was basically "Boat is scum! Lynch him!" which worked in my favor. You guys are better than that. To give you credit, I thought you did a good job as appearing town even before the mod confirm. OS's claim on you was based around his big ego and that everyone should do as he says. A lot of the play though was poor.
7. Rajam/Nabe - Can't say much about this slot. We killed you early. Thanks for killing OS though
8. Nicholas1024 - I thought you were pretty good. Really clutch move on Circus.
9. Xatres - Meh. Can't say too much about you. Didn't do too much.
10. Terywj - I can't believe you shot RR. Terrible choice. You play off way too much emotion and don't listen to the rest of the town when they tell you to make a smart choice (Boat was definitely a better target). If you want to continue playing mafia you have to work with the town. When it came between you, boat, and circus D1 you voted Xatres. Wtf? Instead you should work with the town and put your vote where it can matter.
11. Raziek - I thought you did well. Definitely a good town player. I probably wouldn't have voted for you if I was town. OS is just really convincing and hopped on the scummiest wagon possible.
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth) - I might have screwed up pushing your lynch too hard, but I thought your play wasn't bad outside of scrambling your survival as a VT. You can be confusing in a good and bad way. Also thanks for solving the last piece of the puzzle by getting RR to claim.
13. Frozenflame751 - Your D1 play was really scary and you drew out the kill brilliantly. If you were active I think town would've won.
Soup - I know I said this in the scum QT, but I am very sorry for *****ing constantly at you. I was frustrated by the outcomes until town tore each other apart. But safe claims are definitely something that you need to have in mind when making roles.
Gova - Shoutouts to being a good co-mod. You did well.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wrong.

Citation.

Also wrong. Say what you will, but I don't even believe you read the entire thing given your behavior in the game. You're just assuming it had something because it was large. Please point out the issue with my rebuttal if you are so certain.

I read that whole case, I read every word.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13502353&postcount=1655

1.) Voting patturns can show opportunistic voters, I am guilty of this like you are.

2.) admits you did it to save yourself not because you had any read on Raziek.

3.) I will firmly disagree it is pure wifom, the connection was there.

4) was never addressed.

6) opens up more of the opporunitic feel your slot had, throwing in the "I gotta live" mindset doesn't help.

8.) Inactive isn't the issue as much as admitting no real involvement unless your name came up.

9.) It was a possibility.

Null would've been absolutely fine given the situation.

Nope.

You still were dealing with people who thought you were scum that weren't AB, people were willing to lynch "?" players at that moment.

I'm not saying I played perfectly. I'm saying that the reasons stated for voting me were bogus and that AB made a huge mistake with tunneling me the entire game and refusing to entertain the possibility that I could flip town the final two days. In fact, Adum was so obsessed with my lynch that he quick voted in LyLo rather than letting cooler heads prevail.

Your play was not close to perfect. You've played far better games than this one, far better.

Some of the reasons I saw as legit, heck I viewed you as scum already so I went along. You were far more detrimental as a liability than me or JTB at that point.

Adumb should have never quick lynched, I agree, but you still set yourself up with how you presented yourself.

 

[Circus]

I was so convinced that AB was a mafia traitor too

more later

I really don't understand why. 4 scum in a game this size would have been ridiculous. Game would have been seriously broken in our favor if that had been the case. AB just became unbelievably tunnely. And that's coming from me.

Nice job, scum. You were in pretty dire straights on D2. Fortunately, Inferno was able to play to his noob-looking strengths (even though if I had been town I probably would have been all over you, for real. At least until that doc claim) and the town basically imploded around you. Reading the quicktopic, you guys worked pretty well together after I died and I'm happy to see you guys pull off the victory. Although I think town deserved the loss more than we deserved the win, if that makes sense.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Also wrong. Say what you will, but I don't even believe you read the entire thing given your behavior in the game. You're just assuming it had something because it was large. Please point out the issue with my rebuttal if you are so certain.

Dear god ryker, your "rebuttal" literally agreed with what I was trying to prove in order to show that you're scum.

If that doesn't make you realize there was an issue with your play nothing will.




And I promise you, nobody will agree that pushing lynches because they're popular in order to distract attention from yourself is AT ALL an effective way to play as town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

RR, I was not trying to refute that Adum's analysis wasn't a possibility. The problem is that he had no proof that the events as I told them were not the truth. In fact, his evidence was all circumstantial. You have to pin his possibilities on me instead of showing they exist. All you did was say, "No u."

Adum, I've come to terms with the fact that you think you are completely exonerated for your play by mine. I'm not going to continue arguing with you. If you haven't noticed, almost every time you talk about anything in mafia theory, you sound ******** and almost no one agrees with you. You're either intentionally misconstruing my motive or you're just that dumb.

Seriously, there is no point in any game that anyone doesn't have, as RR put it, "any read" on a slot.

 

[Circus]

Also, generally speaking, BP Frozenflame almost seems like cheating. He needs to die N1, or else scum have no chance of winning!

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There are of course exceptions.

I agree with No MVP. Inferno was probably our single best asset this game, in terms of just not looking too scummy to what was left of the town, but I think he was carried by JTB in little ways throughout the game (nothing wrong with that; that's the way it should be). Scum did what they had to do to eek out a win against an underperforming town, but there were no real stand-out plays.

The town really just seemed to get worse and worse as Days went on. Going from D1 and N1, hitting scum and no town deaths, to then quicklynching a townie in LYLO (and scum didn't even have to alpha) is a pretty sharp decline.

Nich, going into the final Day, I really thought you were town's only hope. Boat obviously would have known exactly who the final two scum were, but AB was clearly going to keep tunneling him, so it was going to be up to you to try to keep a cool head and weigh everything and look at different viewpoints and eventually try to sway AB into doing the right thing. D1 Nich probably would have done that—that's ultimately how I got lynched, after all. I was actually kind of disappointed to see you throw away the Day the way you did, even though JTB and Inferno would have alpha'd on AB's vote anyway. If you had been able to help Boat turn the game around, I'd probably have voted you for MVP.

 

[Inferno3044]

I was never carried in ways town could see if that justifies anything. Also, I want the dice in my symbols and some people that aren't me think I earned it. I'll leave it to soup, but my vote is

Spoiler

biasedly

on me

Vote: Inferno

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nich, going into the final Day, I really thought you were town's only hope. Boat obviously would have known exactly who the final two scum were, but AB was clearly going to keep tunneling him, so it was going to be up to you to try to keep a cool head and weigh everything and look at different viewpoints and eventually try to sway AB into doing the right thing. D1 Nich probably would have done that—that's ultimately how I got lynched, after all. I was actually kind of disappointed to see you throw away the Day the way you did, even though JTB and Inferno would have alpha'd on AB's vote anyway. If you had been able to help Boat turn the game around, I'd probably have voted you for MVP.

Yeah, one thing I regret is the lack of time I had to devote to this game in general. There's a reason my best play came around deadlines, that's the only point at which I could motivate myself to carve out the large chunk of time I'd need to actually properly get something done. I went ahead and voted Ryker so quickly due to mental exhaustion and the fact that AB + Inferno + JTB = lynch majority regardless of where I put my vote. After adumb's explosion about how stupid Tery was for not shooting Ryker D3, I knew if Ryker wasn't scum the game was already lost, because there was no way that playerslot was changing its vote.

@Inferno
Eh, you were definitely the best scum player in this game, and in the running for best play period, but I'm afraid the overall play in this game sucked. Myself, OS, and maybe Raziek aside, every other townie in this game was between bad and horrible. AB's reads were consistently wrong and was left alive all game despite being clear. Tery, Boat, and Red Ryu were all pretty scummy mislynch fodder. Xatres got modkilled for inactivity, and Frozen was about as inactive as you can be without being modkilled. I think in the end you're in the same position I was in with Time Travelers Mafia. You can make the argument you were the best player in the game, but in considering the game it doesn't mean much.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I couldn't help myself. I am a morrible person. Has more relevance wrt the He-man alt.

Spoiler

 

[adumbrodeus]

RR, I was not trying to refute that Adum's analysis wasn't a possibility. The problem is that he had no proof that the events as I told them were not the truth. In fact, his evidence was all circumstantial. You have to pin his possibilities on me instead of showing they exist. All you did was say, "No u."

Adum, I've come to terms with the fact that you think you are completely exonerated for your play by mine. I'm not going to continue arguing with you. If you haven't noticed, almost every time you talk about anything in mafia theory, you sound ******** and almost no one agrees with you. You're either intentionally misconstruing my motive or you're just that dumb.

Seriously, there is no point in any game that anyone doesn't have, as RR put it, "any read" on a slot.

Dude, you literally said it, that you barely had a read on Raz, and you latched on him cause he could've been scum, and somebody that could've been scum dying is much better then you as a townie.

Which is fine if you're negotiating for a lynch at the end of the day, but to do it pre-emptively cause you don't want a wagon on you.


That's inexcusable.


My townreads were right, we had the right remainders, but your bs was so incredibly distracting that


And yea, my scumreads were wrong, I admit that. But my problem is now that I know your ego is large enough to pull this bs, I know you'll pull it again. That makes you a universal detriment to any town.

 

[Shadow Moth]

And yea, my scumreads were wrong, I admit that. But my problem is now that I know your ego is large enough to pull this bs, I know you'll pull it again. That makes you a universal detriment to any town.

Except he correctly accused the remaining scum. And why shouldn't I push someone who I have a scumread on if I know I'm town? Our scumread on Raziek was legitimate.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yea ryker admitted when under pressure that it wasn't dude. That was the deciding point when it shifted from "most people want jtb" to "everyone except tery wanted boat".

 

[Overswarm]

I see. So it was mostly your role that motivated the idea?

Also, do you have any general/specific things I can improve on?

Yep. If I were a VT I probably wouldn't have gone for it. The way you were playing made you near impossible to read based on connections; you voted for just about everyone and your timing for the Circus vote could have been scum attempting to earn points later and then getting stuck.

Being a cop and knowing there are two people playing similar games that would fit in scum's play, it's a pretty easy choice to lynch you and investigate the other.

Only idiots lynch someone and say "die scum". No one, and I repeat, NO ONE knows the alignment of someone before they flip unless they have a PR that tells you otherwise. For all of Gheb's boasting about my "reads being off", my actual reads were pretty spot on. Of the two pairs of people I picked, I had a 50% scum ratio; 2/4 is pretty good. But I didn't get those reads based on saying "this guy is scum because of X" and then going after them with that in mind.

Instead, think a step ahead. I didn't lynch you on the premise that you were going to flip scum. That's a dead-end street for town; you just will be randomly wrong a few times and then "poof", you're out of the game. I lynched you on the premise that I could read other people based on your flip and their reactions to it. It was effective too; it granted an auto-scum for Inferno in my book, and my investigation proved this to me. If I had gone out of my way just to lynch you because I thought your actions were scummy (your floating from vote to vote and odd connections were alarming), I have a chance of being wrong and then being back exactly where I started.

Mafia isn't won by town by catching scum. Mafia is won by slowly lowering your lynch pool and making sure each of your actions have a purpose and forcing mafia to lie. That's it. If all of your actions have a distinct, direct purpose, and all other townies are the same way, mafia stands out like a sore thumb unless they do the same. If they do the same, they have to lie. If they lie, they can be caught over time as the game dwindles down in player count.

AB's play this game is basically the quintessential way to not play town. I actually got on Ryker for this in a previous game, funnily enough. AB valued himself and his own reads more than anyone elses and led town to defeat on his own; he saw only his successes and never his failures. His failures weren't eye-opening experiences for him to say "Oh, so that must mean this now" but rather chances for him to say "Well I was justified, and now we're back at square one". AB was playing under the mindset of "HE WILL FLIP SCUM" and then is stuck with his thumb up his *** when the flip comes.


Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again: You have two jobs as town. One is to get good reads, the other is to convince people. AB cannot do the 2nd half at all. This game makes me wonder if he can do the first -_-;;. It's like he can't hvae more than one thought in his head at a time XD



My advice to you Raziek would be to play to your strengths. I, for example, can get people to listen to me and can avoid being lynched without much difficulty. This works great for me if I have roles like cop or watcher, but.... not really helpful otherwise. So I have to use it indirectly. Instead of just tunneling someone and crossing my fingers, I get people to do scummy things or agree to silly things, or I'll split town down the middle about an idea and make half say "that's stupid" and the other half say "that's genius". When people take stances on those things and either agree or disagree with me, I can get better ideas about who they are and why. It gets information out that isn't necessarily damning, but useful for finding scum. Nothing stands out like a sore thumb like someone you disagree with :B

So find your strengths and play to them.

 

[Raziek]

That's all very informative OS, but what do you consider my strengths/weaknesses, so I can focus on the good and work on eliminating the bad?

 

[adumbrodeus]

OS, seriously, you can do both at the same time. Figure out whose more likely to be scum, figure out what that implies, then lynch your best bet.


You were so concerned with getting reads that you never actually pushed for a scummy player, and that prevented any real progress in terms of scything through the lynch pool.



To be more accurate, half of mafia is getting reads based on flips and wagons, half is actually lynching scum, but you can at the same time.

 

[Inferno3044]

That's all very informative OS, but what do you consider my strengths/weaknesses, so I can focus on the good and work on eliminating the bad?

I want an answer to this as well directed at me. Also this is the third time im asking, but how did you catch me?