Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[adumbrodeus]

I was close enough to win. You weren't gonna risk lynch on me with ryker and jtb running around.

Thank you everyone for your positive comments. I realize now I lost my right to the noob card lol.

No, you played a good game, you're very rarely not under consideration for lynch as scum in endgame. The trick is getting out prioritized, which you succeeded at quite well.


You did good man *brofists*


My issue is with ryker chose to become so jealously protective of his survival that he chose to organize fake lynches to keep attention away from himself, as a vt.


Seriously? How is this considered even remotely good play?

 

[adumbrodeus]

This is absolutely true, for the record. People ignored this but it was plainly true, even when he originally pointed it out.

I don't think anybody here actually knows the flavor.

 

[Raziek]

vote: No MVP

AB.... facedesk.

Tery.... facedesk.

You guys should have noticed Day 3 when JTB and Inferno literally just let you tear yourselves apart. Inferno claimed Doc then SAID NOTHING, THEN PUSHED ANY LYNCH THAT SEEMED LIKELY.

That anyone bought his Doc claim after he didn't get immediately NK'd is mystifying.

So salty I got lynched because of inactives.

 

[Raziek]

AB, take the goggles off.

Ryker had scum correctly narrowed down to 3 players, JTB, RR and Inferno.

I thought he was going to be able to save the game, but then you quickvoted and gsuidkgbskudbgksdubgksjdg.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, and Red Ryu needs to actually start looking Town. The ONLY game I've ever seen you look Town in, you were scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh, and Red Ryu needs to actually start looking Town. The ONLY game I've ever seen you look Town in, you were scum.

I agree with this.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I was so convinced that AB was a mafia traitor too

Haha, yeah.

@Adum: Generally I'd think that people know that main-series Megaman games give you an option of 8 bosses to fight -- that's the premise and the reason that the select screens and boss select music have become iconic. But even without that knowledge, when someone suggests that the mod screwed up with characters, surely that's worth a couple minutes of verification on Google?

 

[Raziek]

Oh, RR, I suppose the exception to that was TTGL, but that's essentially only because you pulled obvious flavour townie.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I also tried crumbing a PR with Ran on our Hydra to get NK'd but yeah, I know what your saying and agree.

 

[adumbrodeus]

AB, take the goggles off.

Ryker had scum correctly narrowed down to 3 players, JTB, RR and Inferno.

I thought he was going to be able to save the game, but then you quickvoted and gsuidkgbskudbgksdubgksjdg.

Town had already collectively decided he was the lynch, period. For literally the best reason possible.


There is no POSSIBLE excuse for organizing a fake lynch JUST to keep attention away from yourself, period. Especially as a Vt.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There is no POSSIBLE excuse for organizing a fake lynch JUST to keep attention away from yourself, period. Especially as a Vt.

This. A lot.

He tired doing it a second time again to me as well.

 

[Raziek]

I also tried crumbing a PR with Ran on our Hydra to get NK'd but yeah, I know what your saying and agree.

If you want my opinion on how to improve, you need to do three things.

1) BE ACTIVE. Seriously. You only ever show up when someone goes "Where the **** is Red Ryu?" This can partially be remedied by cutting down the number of games you play at one time. Spreading yourself thin over 4 or 5 games is a huge detriment to being able to play ANY of them with any quality.

2) Actually DO things! All I ever see you do is piggyback cases. You're just setting yourself as any easy mislynch when scum goes, "Hey look, Red Ryu's just been bandwagoning and inactive all game! Must be scum!

3) You need to stay relevant. When you do post, you get caught up in random **** that isn't relevant to what's currently going on. It looks like fake contribution, the effort looks weak, and it doesn't help you accomplish anything, because the things you DO address never amount to anything.

Hope the critique doesn't offend you, but I want to see you do better.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Soup: You should've ran this as a series-wide UPick. Anyway, as a mod, never let flavour dictate the game, and never leave scum high and dry without safeclaims or any knowledge of what being town entails.

Yeah, this game seems like it's over as soon as we have to nameclaim. We have to somehow prove that OS' logic about flavor is wrong, which is something that scum should never have to do.

This pretty much says it all, Soup. If scum has to stress out because of problems in modding, then the game is unfair. Be more careful next time.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm actually more appreciative you are giving me critique actually.

Thanks Raziek.

 

[Overswarm]

Adumb, don't even try to defend yourself. Ryker didn't even have that bad of a game. He played fine. You screwed up repeatedly over a long period of time. The best thing you did for town was being used as bait.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adumb, don't even try to defend yourself. Ryker didn't even have that bad of a game. He played fine. You screwed up repeatedly over a long period of time. The best thing you did for town was being used as bait.

Don't you dare, I tunnled him yes. But I tunneled him for organizing a fake lynch to keep attention away from himself. Seriously, is there anything you can possibly say that is both more scummy and openly detrimental to town as town then that?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I disagree with Ryker's play not being that bad, I did miss read Raziek terribly and I accept that, but his sole reason to lynch him was to save his own *** and avoid the points brought up about him and his wagon.

That's pretty bad when as a VT he put his own survival so high that he gave nothing to town but only to keep himself alive.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryker played bad
Ryu played bad
AB played bad
Overswarm doesn't know how to keep his role to himself and his reads should never be listened to
Tery played bad and misused his role
Frozen didn't exist

Let's not single out individual people here when almost every member of the town has been playing downright awfully. I'm mostly annoyed at the quicklynch on the final Day because I figured that the NK against Frozen directly leads to JTB scum but when I hit adum on Skype the game was already over. Infernodoc surviving that long being strange didn't seem to cross anybody's mind either. That's why you don't quicklynch in lylo ever unless it's virtually evident that the lynchee is scum.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Everything you said about inferno and jtb is fine and good, and matched my mindset on them.


But it wouldn't have outprioritized ryker, period. The game was over when RR was killed instead of ryker. All extending the day would've done is made that clear.

 

[Raziek]

Look at this from another perspective.

Suppose Ryker was lynched Day 3 instead of Tery. What do you suppose might have happened?

Ryker flips Town, and Tery remains a liability. FF or Nich would likely still have been the NK choice, and then RR was still a very strong possibility for a lynch, if not Tery, who we couldn't count on to take the right shot, as evidenced.

A Townie should never roll over and accept a lynch on themselves unless it's CERTAIN their flip clears a Townie or condemns Scum. Especially when Ryker's claim was in line with the flavor.

Ryker didn't lose this game for Town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He didn't lose it for town alone, but he was a contributing factor to it with what he did.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Look at this from another perspective.

Suppose Ryker was lynched Day 3 instead of Tery. What do you suppose might have happened?

Ryker flips Town, and Tery remains a liability. FF or Nich would likely still have been the NK choice, and then RR was still a very strong possibility for a lynch, if not Tery, who we couldn't count on to take the right shot, as evidenced.

A Townie should never roll over and accept a lynch on themselves unless it's CERTAIN their flip clears a Townie or condemns Scum. Especially when Ryker's claim was in line with the flavor.

Ryker didn't lose this game for Town.

Yes, Tery and RR remained a liability, but RR wasn't really scummy at this point and there were noticable errors that the mafia made in the endgame that would've been pushed.


But regardless, his mistake wasn't not rolling over, his mistake were the terribad lynches that he organized merely to distract from his scummyness as opposed to... you know, actually trying to catch scum.

 

[Overswarm]

The only reason Ryker was even a possibility for a lynch in the first place is because AB decided he was scummy on Day 1 for posting pictures. Seriously, AButtheads was playing so anti-town I was wondering if a mod-confirmed townie was actually mafia somehow.

Overswarm doesn't know how to keep his role to himself and his reads should never be listened to

That's why mafia night killed me for being the cop, right?

I'm pretty sure Nabe night killed me because of this:

not sure who the indie would be, but Vile was my first thought even though he was a Maverick

I don't know how Town did not just write AB off as a raving lunatic. I really don't.

Inferno claims doc and then says "BUT YOU CAN'T DIRCT ME I'LL PROTECT WHO I WANT" and no one lynches him.

Inferno is then NOT NIGHT KILLED APPROACHING LYLO, and no one lynches him.

That's stupid.

AB tunnels Ryker ALL GAME LONG and is mod confirmed town and is never night killed. Not one of you thought "Ya know, Ryker probably could have just killed AB at any point after he was mod-cleared D1" and instead bought AB's push against Ryker which, frankly, was non-existant. He didn't even have a case. The only thing he had all game was "Circus defended him", which is pretty wifomy to begin with and so deliberate you can't intelligently use that alone as a push.




I just... ugh.

AB for LVP. I am seriously disappointed with both Gheb and Adumbrodeus' play. I never really considered them cream of the crop before, but I always considered them average at worst; but this is just idiocy at the most extreme level. They managed to both stick their heads up their *** on Day one and literally followed the same line of thinking all the way until lylo, where they ended up losing the game for town with a quick lynch.

Which, by the way, can't happen without scum on it. Why would you quick lynch in lylo? The only way a quick lynch would ever, EVER occur in lylo is if you literally had 100% agreement amongst town. That's it. The odds of every remaining member of town being correct in lylo and all voting immediately are not high enough to where you should ever quick lynch like that.

Simply... waiting. AB could have done that. Just waited. Would have seen several people pile on Ryker, one of them NOT being him, and AB's first post of the day could have been "Hey, there's 5 people left. Two of them are scum. It takes three to lynch. There are already two votes on Boat. That means if Boat is town, and I'm town, there are three other players and two of them are scum. Two people are voting Boat, meaning one of them is scum." and moving on from there it would have been pretty easy to siphon things through that filter.

 

[Overswarm]

Also, Soup?

This:

This is what happens when you don't lose faith, you guys thought you were going to lose but anything can happen in mafia, i'm not hinting at anything, but just a friendly reminder.

Is bad form. You should not tell scum things like that.

 

[Overswarm]

AB IS MAFIA TRAITOR

There is literally no way he can't be, this game is won as soon as RR is shot

ahhahahhhahahahahahaha

 

[Raziek]

OS, while you're here:

Final lynch:
11. Raziek (7) Boat, JTB, RR, OS, Nabe, Tery, Inferno

Can you explain to me why you got on this wagon, knowing how scummy it was? I don't understand why my lynched got pushed through in the manner it did.

For clarity: Neither obvtown Nich, Mod-cleared AB were on the wagon. I had all three living scum and three question marks on my wagon. Why?

Also, I'd like any general critique on my play that people are willing to offer.

 

[Overswarm]

OS is most certainly a vt

Learn 2 Play Gheb :B

Can you explain to me why you got on this wagon, knowing how scummy it was? I don't understand why my lynched got pushed through in the manner it did.

There was your lynch or No Lynch; I knew either you or Inferno were scum, and had the possibility of you both being scum. If Inferno gets on your lynch late and you flip town, he's scum. If he gets on your lynch early, he's town. He got on late.

The three votes on you before mine were all inactives and weren't considered at all; it wasn't a "planned lynch". The odds of those three votes being primarily scum were very slim. I had watched you and Inferno throughout the game and you had both played in about the same way; I'd have rather killed Inferno but I would have gotten absolutely nothing done because we were three votes behind and we had "can't play mafia AB" as one of the votes needed. Much easier to get your lynch and get a potential mafia and then investigate Inferno.

So far the strategy of "narrow it down to two, lynch one and investigate the other" has had a 100% success rate, so that's cool in my book so far. If Nabe hadn't killed me we would have gotten Inferno right away.

 

[Raziek]

I see. So it was mostly your role that motivated the idea?

Also, do you have any general/specific things I can improve on?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Because there was no way anyone else was happening, obviously.


What we trapped him into admitting was what all cases are trying to prove, that he was more concerned about his survival then town.


Nothing short of a mod-clear would've saved him.



And don't try to even justify the raz wagon, he was obvious-town, you KNOW that he has a poor daygame, yet you ignored how he actually played and jumped on the scummiest wagon ever.

 

[Rajam]

Ryker had scum correctly narrowed down to 3 players, JTB, RR and Inferno.

That doesn't matter. If I were town, I would blame him for the loss, and also Tery a little for his final decision. I don't think it was AB's fault, not at least to the point of thinking he was the main responsible for town's loss. Seriously, Ryker should be policy-lynched D1 every single game in which he refuses to cooperate, explain himself, etc.; his teamplay is absolutely awful, and it doesn't matter if all his reads are right because when that time comes, he has a lot of players pushing on his back, barely listening to him due to how detrimental he behaves in the earlier Days. I wonder which is his scum_wins/town_wins ratio, and see if it is high enough to support a theory that a Ryker lynch D1 is a win-win situation for town whatever the game is. Particularly in this game, I don't even know how he couldn't see that saving himself one more day was an almost 100% defeat for town if Tery picked wrong (which he finally did), because he was going to be lynched next Day for sure.

I'm sorry also to the mod for replacing out, but I just wasn't able to keep up with the pace of the game. I'd never use inactivity as a strategy, that's super-lame and joining a game just to win by inactivity or being inactive overall is lame. I tried to scumhunt now and there, without really pursuing much my own cases, but overall I scumhunted "honestly" since anyways more than half the time my reads are wrong ... basically I was up to nothing. I was going to NKill JTB N2, and then the rest of the inactives and other "minor" players, because I wanted to see an endgame situation with players like Nich, OS, FF, AB, Ryker alive and see how it would turn out :B but then life came in and I decided to replace out...

I'll post more and do some shout-outs when I'm back at home tonight.

 

[Gova]

This is a team game. Share victory, share defeat.

Edit: Unless you're indy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol OS the mafia sure would've been ******** to kill you. Your reads were so disgustingly off that not even your ability to investigate players could've made up for that.

 

[JTB]

Ok, my thoughts.

Probably the hardest scum game I've ever been in. AB being semi-confirmed town for a mistake in the rules, Nich essentially being cleared by getting Circus lynched, and shooting the BP N1 was super demoralizing for us.

D2 was when things really got crazy. I felt like my case on Raziek was legit from a town standpoint, but I didn't push him as much as I should've. OS figuring out the flavor error was supposed to be the nail in the grave since there's literally nothing scum can do to disprove that. I knew that as long as Boat was around, AB wouldn't really push me at all so I avoided a lynch on him. OS' jump on Raziek's wagon was scummy as hell and we were going to push him as a mislynch the next Day.

We chose Nabe as our N2 kill because our victory in this game revolved around pushing mislynches based on the Raziek wagon. Nabe was probably the strongest player on that wagon, so we shot him and unexpectedly hit the indy. The OS kill was unexpected from us as well, but it helped us too since he flipped cop.

D3 was going to be the hardest day for us. We needed to secure a lynch on Boat/RR, followed by lynching the other person D4. Problem was, most people had town reads on Nich/AB/Tery/FF, which left RR/Boat/Inferno/myself. Inferno came up with the idea of a doc claim since we knew everyone's flavor by then, which narrowed it down to RR/Boat/myself. Again, I knew AB would keep tunneling Boat, so I was mostly worried about Tery randomly shooting me. I avoided pushing Tery since he's such an emotion based player and avoided pushing RR as much as I can to set up him as a mislynch the next day if I were to be shot.

And y'all know the rest. I had Inferno send in his actions last night so that we would be both be around to alpha Boat since we knew someone would definitely quickvote him. Didn't expect him to be hammered so quickly though.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Way to LyLo quick lynch without giving everyone a chance to post. Reaaaaaaally smooth. Adum, was it you who freaked out so badly when Soup quickvoted in Ducktales LyLo?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He didn't even have a case. The only thing he had all game was "Circus defended him", which is pretty wifomy to begin with and so deliberate you can't intelligently use that alone as a push.

Oh god, this.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This. A lot.

He tired doing it a second time again to me as well.

What? I had definitely set out the thought process to why scum was eliminated to three possibilities and why I was willing to take Inferno for granted for the moment.

Why in the hell would I give myself up? I had one shot to find scum and I made an error in judgement when I let Inferno off. So what if I'm lynched the following day? The only thing that would come out of my lynch then would be that I would have no hand in the preceedings the following day.

As for the Raziek lynch? Look at the game. You gained NOTHING after a Boat flip and you weren't lynching me for ANYTHING serious. In fact, no one had submitted a case of any sort. The only reason I was considered scummy that game instead of null was because AB decided to spend the entire game dragging my name through the mud. If it's repeated over and over, people will have it in there minds that something must be there. Sure sucks when you're wrong.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Dear god ryker, you admitted to lynching somebody JUST SO A WAGON WOULDN'T FORM ON YOU!


Frankly, that's maybe even a bit worse then a cop guilty because millers are still a common role.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No, you played a good game, you're very rarely not under consideration for lynch as scum in endgame. The trick is getting out prioritized, which you succeeded at quite well.


You did good man *brofists*


My issue is with ryker chose to become so jealously protective of his survival that he chose to organize fake lynches to keep attention away from himself, as a vt.


Seriously? How is this considered even remotely good play?

You're ********. There was nothing fake about that lynch. I thought it a much better option than the pile of **** that people were talking about that day. No one was pushing anything worthwhile and the town was directionless after Circus's lynch if they weren't looking at me for the WIFOM of it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dear god ryker, you admitted to lynching somebody JUST SO A WAGON WOULDN'T FORM ON YOU!


Frankly, that's maybe even a bit worse then a cop guilty because millers are still a common role.

You seriously think I was pushing someone I thought would flip town?

 

[adumbrodeus]

You seriously think I was pushing someone I thought would flip town?

The fact that you all should've realized Raz was obvious-town is separate.


No, I think you had no idea about what his role was and didn't care. You only only picked him because he was easy to lynch and you were afraid if you didn't a wagon would form on you and you didn't wanna fight that wangon off.



That is literally what pretty much every case ever is trying to prove, wagon behavior, lack of stances, attempting to prevent anyone from being disqualified as a potential lynch, all part of this.


If you're gonna play the game as town, play the ****ing game, don't be so scared that you're gonna get lynched that you'll compromise scumhunting just to protect yourself.