Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Look how Red Ryu votes me only after being pushed to get advocated by Ryker.

Kinda sad. I'll probably shoot him lol.

Yeah I did, not even gonna deny that.

Are you gonna push something worthwhile? You still haven't done anything this game, nor did you even directly answer my previous question.

What is the difference of lynching you to shoot Xatres and you shooting Boat/JTB?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I can't read Ryker for **** and I have my goddamn vote placed on JTB. What's your point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What is the difference of lynching you to shoot Xatres and you shooting Boat/JTB?

Answer this.

What is different from you doing it today over yesterday.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Nothing, because we're clearly better off just outright lynching them off and saving me for later like it's been stated multiple times.

Not like I've never said that already.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Let me know when you have a case.

I have one now. You'll get it when JTB claims.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm not even sure you'll process my post but whatever.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Nothing, because we're clearly better off just outright lynching them off and saving me for later like it's been stated multiple times.

Not like I've never said that already.

Because your sudden change is odd and it a flip of what you said on Day 2. You we're fine with dying to shoot Xatres, but suddenly you don't want to.

I have one now. You'll get it when JTB claims.

Post it now.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nich, I'm making a case. Go make JTB claim.

Do you agree that the scum has to lie in myself, RR, JTB, and Inferno unless FF is Godfather. Do you agree that FF is cop cleared?

 

[JTB]

I have absolutely no reason to claim.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@JTB
Claim, you're my second lynch choice at this point.

@Ryker
I think FF's cleared because of Circus's horrible wagon jump on him. His inactivity is a null tell, when he does post, he's townie, and Circus had no reason to bus him like he was trying to on D1. So yes, I agree with your argument on where scum lies. Haven't decided if OS copped Frozenflame or not.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I have absolutely no reason to claim.

U du go dai

 

[Terywj [태리]]

U dum go dai*

LOL

 

[Boatchouli]

@JTB
Claim, you're my second lynch choice at this point.

@Ryker
I think FF's cleared because of Circus's horrible wagon jump on him. His inactivity is a null tell, when he does post, he's townie, and Circus had no reason to bus him like he was trying to on D1. So yes, I agree with your argument on where scum lies. Haven't decided if OS copped Frozenflame or not.

Read OS' D2 posts. Until D2 he was essentially a VT. Tell me if you think anyone but FF could be his clear. I refuse to believe OS died without leaving it for us. Especially when he said that he thought two people knew what he was doing.

 

[JTB]

No, stop being stupid. Why am I scum Nich? Because I was inactive and an early vote on Raziek?

I wasn't inactive at all, Overswarm blew up the thread with his posts and whenever I got home from work, there would be pages of new content. Just because I didn't have a post every few pages doesn't mean anything at all if you look at the larger picture.

I was an early vote on Raziek. What does that have to do with anything? What's wrong with my reasoning for believing he was scum?

 

[Boatchouli]

The case on RR is not made specifically on anything he has done. It is much more centered around what he hasn't done. I'm going to look back through his posts and see if there are any glaring contradictions, voting patterns, or any other obviously incriminating quotes but the real damning evidence is in the safety of his play.

Throughout this game RR has been a wallflower. He votes on popular wagons and agrees with public opinions. This is a far cry from normal RR. Normal RR is almost always wrong. As wrong as he is, he's even more stubborn. He almost always has a hard read that disagrees with the entire town that he sticks to with dogged determination. Where in this game can you remember any time that RR stuck his neck out on a read?

 

[Boatchouli]

No, stop being stupid. Why am I scum Nich? Because I was inactive and an early vote on Raziek?

I wasn't inactive at all, Overswarm blew up the thread with his posts and whenever I got home from work, there would be pages of new content. Just because I didn't have a post every few pages doesn't mean anything at all if you look at the larger picture.

I was an early vote on Raziek. What does that have to do with anything? What's wrong with my reasoning for believing he was scum?

You have absolutely no reason not to claim. If scum NKs any of the four players I have outlined, they lose the game. You're not gonna die unless you're lynched, and a roleblock isn't big in this stage of the game as your role would be suspect toMorrow in any case.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@JTB
It's not so much that you've been actively scummy as that I've got town reads on AB, Frozen, and Tery, leaving a rather limited possible lynch pool. What have you actively done outside of joining the Raziek mislynch (which was rather horrible.)

@Boat
What's your explanation for Red Ryu joining the Circus wagon? You're quite right about the fact that Red Ryu has been rather easily led, but the Circus wagon is the stumbling block to him being scum here, he was just the third vote on the wagon when votes were critical.

 

[Boatchouli]

Either they thought it would stall out, same as I accused Raziek or he flat out was willing to bus him.

AB, I still want your explanation for why I'm scum here. Then I want you to reexamine it and REREAD THE GAME looking at RR and JTB and tell me if I still outweigh them.

 

[Inferno3044]

@RR - If you believe Tery's claim, then why would you lynch Tery and have him shoot Boat instead of just lynching boat?

@Nich -

Also:

Boatimage.jpg

Let me tell you why that's crap:

Granted, I'm far more evil than Raziek and I doubt he'd bus Circus of all people, but still.



I even had Gheb on my side at the end of my first game :D

I just wanna bring this point up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The case on RR is not made specifically on anything he has done. It is much more centered around what he hasn't done. I'm going to look back through his posts and see if there are any glaring contradictions, voting patterns, or any other obviously incriminating quotes but the real damning evidence is in the safety of his play.

Throughout this game RR has been a wallflower. He votes on popular wagons and agrees with public opinions. This is a far cry from normal RR. Normal RR is almost always wrong. As wrong as he is, he's even more stubborn. He almost always has a hard read that disagrees with the entire town that he sticks to with dogged determination. Where in this game can you remember any time that RR stuck his neck out on a read?

You pretty much admitted your entire case is meta and you had nothing in game outside of me going with town to show I could be scum.

Also how was I wrong in RO where I named 2 of the 3 scum, or in Pulp Fiction where I called out Afro and EE well before most people. Or in DeGreyman where I copped the entire scum team by Day 3, granted I was roleblocked and controlled a night but my reads were pretty much nailed.

Seriously, what the hell kind of meta is this?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@RR - If you believe Tery's claim, then why would you lynch Tery and have him shoot Boat instead of just lynching boat?

No point in asking this. He's completely derped over it.

 

[Boatchouli]

You pretty much admitted your entire case is meta and you had nothing in game outside of me going with town to show I could be scum.

Also how was I wrong in RO where I named 2 of the 3 scum, or in Pulp Fiction where I called out Afro and EE well before most people. Or in DeGreyman where I copped the entire scum team by Day 3, granted I was roleblocked and controlled a night but my reads were pretty much nailed.

Seriously, what the hell kind of meta is this?

Wow, bro, hyper defensive there, huh? Do me a favor and point me in the direction of any independent action you've made this game. You might be able to find one but you'd be hard pressed to find more than three. While we're on the subject of meta-cases though, why don't you elaborate on why I'm scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wow, bro, hyper defensive there, huh? Do me a favor and point me in the direction of any independent action you've made this game. You might be able to find one but you'd be hard pressed to find more than three. While we're on the subject of meta-cases though, why don't you elaborate on why I'm scum?

Because I know the meta part was bull****.

As for independent.

My initial push on FrozenFlame.
My initial push on Raziek.
Looking at AB's stubborn behavior D1.

There is three. I'll get more if need be.

Circus connection is still condemning, I don't see why he would bother defending you slot at all at that point.

Doing my reread,

AB, here's what I was going to post before Soup froze the game when you asked for scum picks.

Without seeing Frozen's flip, Tery and Inferno are my biggest active scum reads. Tery's newbie in general, and I was pretty okay with just letting him get vigged on that alone, but he smells specifically newbscum to me at this point. His posts have been pretty sparse, and when they do come they're about nothing or they have anti-town uses. Almost all of the posts he has made this game so far have been complaining about the fact that he has to read the thread or fluff posts dressed up as useful "commentary." Coming out of the shadows after four days of complete silence to point at AB and cry "rule breaker!" once he claimed is terribad. Town has no incentive to do something like that; scum does.

Inferno's been playing every side of every argument this whole game. He's been following the herd on every single issue brought up throughout the Day, especially when OS has been leading it (which has been most of the time), only to turn when the tide meets any amount of resistence ("Hey, you're right, why does OS want to know that? No I'm suspicious too!"). I don't think I've seen him give an honest, free-thinking opinion on anything all game. He asks other people what his opinion should be. And when he does seem like he's about to start pressuring someone of his own volition, he backs off immediately as long as he gets some kind of response from them. He's working hard not to be on anyone's bad side.

I have a few second tier picks and people who mostly make sense based on other players' flips, but I won't list them as that would effectively out my town reads.

I'm noticing more from this. Circus had a dew posts that caught my attention.

I'd rather have Boat's slot replaced.

Tery is outright scummy to me at this point.

While Circus was defending Boat, Tery and Inferno were his top scum picks at the time.

@Everyone What do you makes of these posts from before?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You actually pushed zero of that. Your case is completely WIFOM.

Chew on this from a source that isn't me.

YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CASE ON BOAT

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13439693&postcount=1291
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13440926&postcount=1348
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13441876&postcount=1372
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13441951&postcount=1377

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nich/AB/FF, do you agree that the remaining scum must be RR and JTB if I flip town?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Wait, RR, I'm fairly sure your Raziek push was recycled from mine. Quote please.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Well, I'm not gonna lie, Tery is being pretty ****ing scummy at the moment. Why are you voting JTB? WE ARE NOT LYNCHING HIM TODAY. WE'RE LYNCHING BOATCHOULI TODAY. VOTE HIM.

Though I guess I wouldn't mind JTB claiming actually come to think of it. I still don't see how it's needed toDay but since Cop / Doc are out there's not much to lose anymore. At worst we out another vanilla or some shitty PR at best it helps us weed out the kill options for toMorrow via Tery's lynch. I'm not against it but I'd rather not have too much info much toDay up completely. Let's keep a cool head.

Actually, AB, since you are so sure that Tery is going to give you no content worth looking into, why aren't you advocating that lynch first? I know why I don't want to, but I'd like to hear from you on the matter.

No comment.

Nich/AB/FF, do you agree that the remaining scum must be RR and JTB if I flip town?

No comment.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're fairly useless and unwilling to reanalyze information. The two scum will agree with you by day's end. Tery will agree with me. Nich and FF are the swing I have to convince, so excuse me while I completely ignore you for the rest of the day. Fair enough?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hm, D2 Inferno's play was pretty solid, and I think I'm inclined to believe the doc claim. So yes, that would leave JTB/RR as the scum if you flipped town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Thanks much.

Now I want you to reanalyze why you think I am scum and whether that holds water next to RR and JTB and if so why and how close?

 

[Nicholas1024]

You might have to wait a day or two for that, I've got too much homework to finish today to make a serious analysis of this game.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Get it before the game day ends. In the mean time, I've yet to see the lynch mob post something for me to respond to.

JTB, claim.

Request FF Prod

 

[JTB]

Whatever, I'm Gravity Beetle, maverick beetle, just a vt.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait til morning since I was tired and needed citation for this.

You actually pushed zero of that.

Lies.

FF:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13355790&postcount=292
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13356008&postcount=301
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13356055&postcount=303

Raz:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13355998&postcount=300
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13356176&postcount=306
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13358234&postcount=343

AB:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13361796&postcount=398
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13370076&postcount=427
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13376132&postcount=445
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13382219&postcount=492

Your case is completely WIFOM.

Mafia is a game of WIFOM as well, it's about finding the most likely scenario and going for it. There are a lot of times where you need to think about WIFOM in order to catch scum, honestly the only way we would have caught you and WL in Pokemon mafia would be to use WIFOM about you using your second kill on Panta.

OS doesn't claim a cop guilty on Gheb but tunnels the crap out of him in sleepover, flips cop most likely scenario is that Gheb is mafia, Gheb flips mafia.

There are really bad times to use WIFOM, in this case I find it really odd he would defend you and go for FF at the time same, more of a reason why I think FF is town in addition to how he reacted to his wagon.

You've been mostly a non factor this game, only you became a factor is when the idea of your lynch popped up, there is a blatant connection with Circus.

Also what happened to that meta you brought up? Suddenly you just dropped it altogether,

Chew on this from a source that isn't me.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13439693&postcount=1291
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13440926&postcount=1348
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13441876&postcount=1372
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13441951&postcount=1377

And I disagree with him in this situation.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well, I'm not gonna lie, Tery is being pretty ****ing scummy at the moment. Why are you voting JTB? WE ARE NOT LYNCHING HIM TODAY. WE'RE LYNCHING BOATCHOULI TODAY. VOTE HIM.

Though I guess I wouldn't mind JTB claiming actually come to think of it. I still don't see how it's needed toDay but since Cop / Doc are out there's not much to lose anymore. At worst we out another vanilla or some shitty PR at best it helps us weed out the kill options for toMorrow via Tery's lynch. I'm not against it but I'd rather not have too much info much toDay up completely. Let's keep a cool head.



No comment.



No comment.

Why the hell aren't we lynching Tery then?

Shouldn't we Lynch Tery? If he flips scum, woot, if he is town then he shoots Boat.

You're fairly useless and unwilling to reanalyze information. The two scum will agree with you by day's end. Tery will agree with me. Nich and FF are the swing I have to convince, so excuse me while I completely ignore you for the rest of the day. Fair enough?

I'll agree with the bolded.

Whatever, I'm Gravity Beetle, maverick beetle, just a vt.

Good to note.

1. Inferno3044 - Doctor
2. JTB - VT
4. Red Ryu - One Shot Rolestopper
6. Analytical Buttheads - VT
8. Nicholas1024 - ???
10. Terywj - Vengeful Townie
12. Boatchouli - VT
13. Frozenflame751 - ??? (claimed some form of being shot at N1)

Point of reference.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryu, I will comment on the Tery issue after frozen posts / is replaced. Adum and I will definitely deal with the issue toDay.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Ryu, I will comment on the Tery issue after frozen posts / is replaced. Adum and I will definitely deal with the issue toDay.

...............

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well, I'm not gonna lie, Tery is being pretty ****ing scummy at the moment. Why are you voting JTB? WE ARE NOT LYNCHING HIM TODAY. WE'RE LYNCHING BOATCHOULI TODAY. VOTE HIM.

Why wouldn't I place votes on JTB to get him to claim, especially when he responds with crap like "no need for me to claim" and "dealwithit.gig".

Unvote

I agree in that JTB / RR is probably scum.

RR now you just sound like Circus is desparately trying to re-maneuver the wagon onto me. It's kinda sad, I know the situation is different (through various claims including my own) but we've gone over this way too many times and you're too dense to understand it it seems.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What is the difference of lynching you to shoot Xatres and you shooting Boat/JTB?

Answer this.

What is different from you doing it today over yesterday.

Tery answer this, you've outright ignored this question multiple times.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

There is none. But if you READ some posts you would UNDERSTAND why I think AGAINST it.