Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Inferno3044]

Would you say it's anti-town to try to bring attention to someone just for kicks, when you know nothing of their alignment?

By this logic rvs is scummy. Im going to take a guess and say that not everyone that posted rvs is scum.

 

[Overswarm]

By this logic rvs is scummy. Im going to take a guess and say that not everyone that posted rvs is scum.

What logic? I asked a question, not a statement.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Would you say it's anti-town to try to bring attention to someone just for kicks, when you know nothing of their alignment?

Serious moment:

It's anti-town NOT to revel in RVS, which includes bringing attention to pretty much anyone that suits your fancy.

Also, that's how you get an idea of people's alignment, so I'm happy with gleaning a town read out of you.

 

[Overswarm]

Serious moment:

It's anti-town NOT to revel in RVS, which includes bringing attention to pretty much anyone that suits your fancy.

Also, that's how you get an idea of people's alignment, so I'm happy with gleaning a town read out of you.

I had similar thoughts.

What do you think about those that piggy-back on other people's "reveling", rather than responding to such against them or making their own path, and remain mostly silent otherwise?

vote: Circus

 

[Xatres]

@Mod: Just screwing with text color. Won't happen again.

@Everyone: When did decisive games turn into a 4chan board? Good grief...

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

I had similar thoughts.

What do you think about those that piggy-back on other people's "reveling", rather than responding to such against them or making their own path, and remain mostly silent otherwise?

vote: Circus

Would prefer not to say yet, still too much to glean and not particularly interested in making people I'm on to aware of the fact if I am on to them.


Also...

Stop ruining the party man, like chill brah. Toast some walrus.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

By this logic rvs is scummy. Im going to take a guess and say that not everyone that posted rvs is scum.

Do you feel pretty too?

@Everyone: When did decisive games turn into a 4chan board? Good grief...

*hands some walrus to toast*

 

[Boatchouli]

@Everyone: When did decisive games turn into a 4chan board? Good grief...

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

*brofists ryker*

 

[Nicholas1024]

Has it really been that long? I think that was the first game we ever played together. We also got steamrolled in that game, so let's not do that again.

IIRC that was the only game we played together and my first time I actually played mafia. (I'm still a bit sad about Hando AND Xsyven ending up indy. )

What do you think of Inferno?

@Overswarm
Same for you, opinion on Inferno?

@Xatres/Ryker
Anything notable to add?

 

[Boatchouli]

@Xatres/Ryker
Anything notable to add?

 

[Inferno3044]

What logic? I asked a question, not a statement.

The reason I stated it was because I thought you were thinking that putting attention without having any idea of alignment was considered scummy. I read your post immediately after and understood that you think differently.

@AB - Any thoughts on Red Ryu?

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Nope.

Now do you feel pretty?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Actually, I take it back. RR makes the best slash fiction EVER!

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Actually, I take it back. RR makes the best slash fiction EVER!

Damnit, can't believe I did that on my main account.

 

[Overswarm]

Would prefer not to say yet, still too much to glean and not particularly interested in making people I'm on to aware of the fact if I am on to them.

Don't care. What's your answer?

@Overswarm
Same for you, opinion on Inferno?

Dunno.

The reason I stated it was because I thought you were thinking that putting attention without having any idea of alignment was considered scummy. I read your post immediately after and understood that you think differently.

Howso? Would it matter if I didn't?

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Don't care. What's your answer?

No.


sit down, enjoy the ride.

 

[Inferno3044]

I initially took it as you being a little too defensive with your reaction to AB messing with you. When you replied to how he answered that post was made clearer to me.

 

[Xatres]

@Nick: No opinion on inferno as of yet. Also, no definite opinion on anyone. Still observing. That's how I roll.

Welcoming accusations that passive play is scummy (it happens every game I play)...

 

[Overswarm]

No.


sit down, enjoy the ride.

vote: analytical Buttheads

I know how both your slots play. Answer questions asked to you. You and I both know you've given off more than enough information about the one person we're both discussing (could be more, but they are a stretch and wouldn't account for you "holding back"), and it's not enough to even make a solid read. Their future actions are irrelevant to any possible conclusions that you can reach when adjoined with that tiny piece of data; the only thing they can do is compound upon themselves which changes nothing when it comes to appropriate responses. You don't have to use names if you want, but I don't think even Ryker is foolish enough to believe that how he feels the game should be played is how other people in this game will play merely because that's what he likes to see. Regardless, that'd actually be MORE of a tell than what we're looking for.

So cut the crap. What's your answer?

I initially took it as you being a little too defensive with your reaction to AB messing with you. When you replied to how he answered that post was made clearer to me.

Do you think being defensive is scummy? If so, under what conditions is it not?

@Overswarm
Same for you, opinion on Inferno?

Same as you if we're on the same page, but I'm not too worried about scraping the well dry yet. I'm not as familiar with his playstyle, so the undue confidence might be natural or derived from ignorance.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Please remind when you would like vote-counts, i'm going to be lazy about these and would like if a co-mod could help.

if you (yes you) would like to be a co-mod and do vote counts while i'm away, please PM me.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

... OS, it should be very obvious that there's more then one person I have my eye on, and committing to a view means that other scum won't fall into it if it's scummy, or if it's a towntell scum can adopt to it. Also committing to it makes it more difficult for me to give them enough rope to hang themselves later.

I know you like your plans, but patience.


And stop trying to push an end to rvs so quickly.

 

[Inferno3044]

Do you think being defensive is scummy? If so, under what conditions is it not?

General defensiveness no. Unneeded defensive to an extent. You seemed to me a little defensive regarding AB's posts about you and I thought it was unneeded. But it's one post and even that I found out your reasoning behind it. I hope this is much more clear.

 

[Inferno3044]

EBWOP:

@Mod - I would like a vote count.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Same as you if we're on the same page

I chuckled, simply because this is true by definition.

@AB
Do you really think your influence on this game is so great that scum will adjust their behavior only based on what you think? Additionally, you could use a gambit (pushing a non-tell or weak tell for instance) to get reactions. I just don't see why you're sitting back and going "I've got my eye on people, not going to push anything just yet."

@Xatres
No opinions on anything at all? I know there's not too terribly much content just yet, but not one thing from the seven pages so far strikes you as noteworthy?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Inferno

I want you to clarify the difference between general defensiveness and unneeded defensiveness. In FFIX mafia you were on Acrostic for being very defensive, and I want to know where you draw the line.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

@AB
Do you really think your influence on this game is so great that scum will adjust their behavior only based on what you think? Additionally, you could use a gambit (pushing a non-tell or weak tell for instance) to get reactions. I just don't see why you're sitting back and going "I've got my eye on people, not going to push anything just yet."

... duh

Scum adjusts their behavior to manipulate even weak players. Try to avoid something that I explicitly note as a tell. Hell yea.

Of course at this point, the best I can hope is scum adjusting their behavior based on what they perceive my views are, which is still something.

 

[Inferno3044]

@Inferno

I want you to clarify the difference between general defensiveness and unneeded defensiveness. In FFIX mafia you were on Acrostic for being very defensive, and I want to know where you draw the line.

General defensiveness is defending yourself within reason when someone makes a push or accusation on you. For example if I made a case on someone, I would expect that person to defend themselves because they are being accused.

Unneeded defense is either making a reaction to a minimal thing (like RR's reaction to Zen talking about his "posting restriction" in uPick pokemon) or posting a lot of defensive posts when you don't need to be defensive.

With Acrostic (as far as I remember) he voted for a confirmed townie, but then changed his vote after looking up what the innocent child role was on mafiascum (with the link to the site). He should've left it at that, but I saw a lot of posts from him trying to defend his mistake. To be fair, I replaced out of that game before D1 ended. I have no idea if how he played changed, his role, or anything about that game except for my own role and that there was a confirmed townie.

 

[Inferno3044]

I barely participated in FFIX Mafia. I posted like 5 times lol

 

[Overswarm]

... OS, it should be very obvious that there's more then one person I have my eye on, and committing to a view means that other scum won't fall into it if it's scummy, or if it's a towntell scum can adopt to it. Also committing to it makes it more difficult for me to give them enough rope to hang themselves later.

I know you like your plans, but patience.

You don't know me at all, nor have you ever. I humor you because it makes you easier to read; vaguely hinting at any sort of plan or "obvious knowledge" makes you feel you need to be on even ground with me, and it's easy to slip up when you've got such an irrational response to such vague and pointless stimuli.

More than one person you have an eye on, though? That I understand. But not for the reasons I posted earlier. There's only one person who fits into that category, really... and it's a very weak thing to notice to boot. Important enough to make you lean and squint your eyes and watch further down the line, but also unimportant enough to where you can forget it completely the moment something changes. I don't believe you "have your eye on" anyone, at least not in particular, and I believe even less you know the person who I'm referring to.

And again, no good scum player would adapt to so straightforward a post. That itself is a stronger tell than doing the action in the first place, meaning that in the worst possible scenario you end up exactly where you started. You're holding back because you're afraid of giving concrete stances on things you don't have fully formed, not because of the answer, and that's not a good reason to not respond.

So again, answer. You're not good enough to "withhold information" with so little on the line, especially when you're tripping over yourself trying to make it look like you know what you're doing.

What do you think about those that piggy-back on other people's "reveling", rather than responding to such against them or making their own path, and remain mostly silent otherwise?

This is hardly a dangerous question.

And stop trying to push an end to rvs so quickly.

RVS ended the moment I signed up.

 

[Boatchouli]

RVS ended the moment I signed up.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

You don't know me at all, nor have you ever. I humor you because it makes you easier to read; vaguely hinting at any sort of plan or "obvious knowledge" makes you feel you need to be on even ground with me, and it's easy to slip up when you've got such an irrational response to such vague and pointless stimuli.

More than one person you have an eye on, though? That I understand. But not for the reasons I posted earlier. There's only one person who fits into that category, really... and it's a very weak thing to notice to boot. Important enough to make you lean and squint your eyes and watch further down the line, but also unimportant enough to where you can forget it completely the moment something changes. I don't believe you "have your eye on" anyone, at least not in particular, and I believe even less you know the person who I'm referring to.

And again, no good scum player would adapt to so straightforward a post. That itself is a stronger tell than doing the action in the first place, meaning that in the worst possible scenario you end up exactly where you started. You're holding back because you're afraid of giving concrete stances on things you don't have fully formed, not because of the answer, and that's not a good reason to not respond.

So again, answer. You're not good enough to "withhold information" with so little on the line, especially when you're tripping over yourself trying to make it look like you know what you're doing.

 

[Nicholas1024]

General defensiveness is defending yourself within reason when someone makes a push or accusation on you. For example if I made a case on someone, I would expect that person to defend themselves because they are being accused.

Unneeded defense is either making a reaction to a minimal thing (like RR's reaction to Zen talking about his "posting restriction" in uPick pokemon) or posting a lot of defensive posts when you don't need to be defensive.

With Acrostic (as far as I remember) he voted for a confirmed townie, but then changed his vote after looking up what the innocent child role was on mafiascum (with the link to the site). He should've left it at that, but I saw a lot of posts from him trying to defend his mistake. To be fair, I replaced out of that game before D1 ended. I have no idea if how he played changed, his role, or anything about that game except for my own role and that there was a confirmed townie.

Fair enough, that seems to be consistent with your actions. (And as a side note you had 10 posts in FFIX mafia, I checked.)

On a completely different topic...

Vote: AB

OS has got a point, in that the worst things so far (outside of AB's play, I mean stuff like Inferno being a bit fluffy, Frozenflame asking me about his vote), don't really merit more than an IGMEOY, and the benefit of the pressure you'd get from asking about it would far outweigh the risk of people avoiding said minor tells.

@OS
Thoughts on Ryker? His picture posting and dodging questions really annoys me, as I know he does it as town (or scum) and it gives me more or less nothing to read.

@Ryker
Are you going to give town anything to work with, or are we going to have to drag it out of you Time Travelers style?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Whoops, forgot to unvote.

Unvote, Vote: AB

 

[Boatchouli]

Unvote Vote AB

@OS
Thoughts on Ryker? His picture posting and dodging questions really annoys me, as I know he does it as town (or scum) and it gives me more or less nothing to read.

@Ryker
Are you going to give town anything to work with, or are we going to have to drag it out of you Time Travelers style?

*Censor dodging image* It's Woody from Toy Story saying "I have had it with these mother****ing snakes in my mother****ing boots"
lol sold2 wuz here.
~ Red Ruy

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Unvote Vote AB

Care to explain why?

I know OS is hung up on an academic difference of opinion, but what's your reasoning?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Okay how do you disable images on Google Chrome? Will make reading this more manageable.

 

[Xatres]

@Nick: At the time of my posting, I didn't have any firm readings on anyone. However, the exchange between OS and AB is becoming interesting. I think AB is holding us up a bit by not putting pressure on people, although, conversely, his withholding information is also giving us a lot of material to read those who attack him. I'd like to put a pressure vote on him, but I'm not sure where the votes stand right now.

@Mod: Request votecount

 

[Overswarm]

@OS
Thoughts on Ryker? His picture posting and dodging questions really annoys me, as I know he does it as town (or scum) and it gives me more or less nothing to read.


Woops. Wrong tags. How did I ever do that.


Ryker won't be of much help but eventually he'll feel he's got something and it'll be evident then. I'd just play it slower with him, since he'd be an easy mislynch if he's just being stupid town. If he continues to be dead weight when things get more serious his lynch will be just as easy there, but we'll have more to go off of to get an idea of his alignment rather than the shot in the dark we have now.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Nick: At the time of my posting, I didn't have any firm readings on anyone. However, the exchange between OS and AB is becoming interesting. I think AB is holding us up a bit by not putting pressure on people, although, conversely, his withholding information is also giving us a lot of material to read those who attack him. I'd like to put a pressure vote on him, but I'm not sure where the votes stand right now.

@Mod: Request votecount

Just a quick note: Saying that a vote is a pressure vote is generally a bad idea. Trust me on this one. (Insert Time Travelers reference)