Match Ups

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VERY HARD MATCH UPS

Game and Watch
Ice Climbers
King DeDeDe
Marth
Metaknight
Snake


HARD MATCH UPS
Diddy Kong
Captain Olimar
ike
Flaco
kirby
Luigi
lucario
Lucas
Pit
Wario
wolf
Zelda


NEUTRAL MATCH UPS
DK
Charzard
Fox
Jigglypuff
Mario
Peach
Pikachu
Samus
Squirtle
Zamus


SLIGHT ADVANTAGE
Bowser
Ness
Ivysaur
Rob
link
shiek
Sonic
Yoshi


OVERKILL

C.Falcon
Gannondorf

 

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bump....
10 chars

 

[enix167]

Good start up on match ups will be beneficial for those of us having trouble.

 

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added 4 more charaters people....
sad
i bet no one even reads this thread.

 

[Mike Hawk]

no its just the boards are slow nowaddays.

 

[Help!]

I dont really go to smashboards anymore but I did see you were posting it at aib. But Your things kinda sloppy and i think how eggz match ups for marios was done really well in melee, so i suggest better structuring?

 

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I dont really go to smashboards anymore but I did see you were posting it at aib. But Your things kinda sloppy and i think how eggz match ups for marios was done really well in melee, so i suggest better structuring?

OH!
alright i'll do that when im finished with it ,i still have 20+ characters to do lol.

 

[NintendoWarrior]

Good tips. Marth is always a challenge. Ikes I have no problem dealing with. Sometimes Meta Knight is a pain though, will you post tips for him soon?

 

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yea right now im writing out the ice climbers trying to collect alot of data on them.but, expect metaknight soon!

 

[BearForce1]

Flaco. >_>

 

[Takeshi245]

Mario vs. Fox is a hard match-up. It's the drill combo that gets me for the most part. You can outprioritize it with a well-timed up-tilt and U-smash. When Fox is done with his drill, he's free to do any move. Fox's up-smash can kill you around 105-110 percent. His aerial priority beats your aerials. You can combo Fox with the U-tilt combo and you can kill him at lower percents, but only if you have a good set-up, though. Dair's an all-right move to use out of the blue as a surprise attack, and if he drills, use a well-timed uair to counter. His shine can be a problem, though. If Fox does a dash attack, I suggest doing a D-smash out of shield. Other than that, prepare for a tough match-up.

 

[smashbro29]

NO you must keep making these they are very helpful

 

[Ranjiz]

from my brawl experiences, the hardest matchup are wolf, metaknight, snake, and mr game & watch

 

[apmpnmdslkbk]

What about mario vs mario I (for some crazy reason) cant win a ditto match against another mario no matter what I do I always have to switch to falcon or dedede.

 

[BoTastic!]

being offensive on Mk is pretty helpful but defense plays a major part

 

[A2ZOMG]

Y'know this is actually a fairly good bit of info you got there.

I'll just say Boss apparently proved that Mario goes next to even with R.O.B. since you can U-air juggle him to oblivion since he sucks at dealing with stuff below him, and that G&W is your worst matchup. Never play against G&W with Mario, just counterpick TL if that should ever happen. <<

 

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Any one want to add anything?
ill add it
if it should be added

 

[BoTastic!]

Pokemon trainer

Caping charizard before he does rock smash makes him hit himself with the fragments

 

[Tenki]

Gannondorf-
is slow,slow,slow.
Spam fireballs.edgegaurd him for free KO's.
He has no combo ability.
fireball his side b approach.
He's kinda hard to kill other than that he should be easy.

Ike-Strong but, slow.
Has allota range on all of his attacks.
Punish his lag on the real,this is his biigest weakness capitolize on that.
His recovery can fludded or caped but,
not edgegaurded.Ikes sideb has lots of range and no afterlag so he can follow up with almost anything.
This can be avoided by getting close and shielding because when it hits something it has 2 seconds of lag?
Spam fire balls and fludd/cape recovery for the win.
To be updated........

All the horrid mispellings aside,

These are two characters I know decently, so I can address them:
- Ganondorf has combo ability. At 10%, he can Thunder-stomp> U-smash for a free 44 damage. His tech chasing game is dangerous.
- Side-B isn't usually used as an approach. As a combo starter, yes, but not so much as an approach.
- Caping his recoveries will be his death though.

- Ike has slow moves with lots of lag, but a good one won't be using them too much. Therefore, he's not as "slow" as you'd think.
- If you're going to gimp an Ike from off stage, jump in front of him. Caping him while he's charging side-B wins lol.

 

[SummerObsession]

My brother uses Mario, and he needs help against a a good Marth. One of Marth's approach is he WALKS forward and whenever Marth gets within range he does a F-tilt. His Mario can't approach or punish this type of approach. If he rolls behind Marth he gets dancing bladed, if he jumps into a aerial he eats a foward smash. If Mario throws projectiles, Marth's ftilt destroys them. Anyone have any ideas how to deal with this?

 

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bump for the lulz

 

[BoTastic!]

Massive Bump If I Must Say

 

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lol yeah i thought it would be of some help to some people.

 

[Matt07]

Just a little tip against Snake.

If you cape his up smash (the missle thingy) it'll harm him instead. At least I'm pretty sure...

 

[Fatmanonice]

Just a little tip against Snake.

If you cape his up smash (the missle thingy) it'll harm him instead. At least I'm pretty sure...

Yes, this is true. You can also cape Pikachu's thunder to make it hurt him too. For both attacks the timing is kind of hard though.

 

[BoTastic!]

Yes, this is true. You can also cape Pikachu's thunder to make it hurt him too. For both attacks the timing is kind of hard though.

Pikachu's is a lot easier. You know when its coming and it has some initial lag to it.

 

[mario brawler]

I'd really like you to do lucas his pk fire is horrible to deal with scince it can't really be reflected back at him the lag after caping it leaves open for another one =_= ,and his F-smash's startup is incredibly fast for me
by the way I really appreciate what your doin here don't think for a second this is'nt helping other mario players out

 

[BoTastic!]

use the discussions from Boss's match up thread to update the OP

 

[Judge Judy]

I'd really like you to do lucas his pk fire is horrible to deal with scince it can't really be reflected back at him the lag after caping it leaves open for another one =_= ,and his F-smash's startup is incredibly fast for me
by the way I really appreciate what your doin here don't think for a second this is'nt helping other mario players out

Fireballs stop it, FLUDD goes through it, you can cape it...take your pick

 

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This topic was made soooooo long ago.

 

[mario brawler]

Fireballs stop it, FLUDD goes through it, you can cape it...take your pick

ussually the fire balls travel too slowly so the pk fire hit's the fireball but the explosion still hit's me, and caping it leaves me wide open since the deflected pk fire diminishes in front of his face I mean this player really spams them when he feel's im to close when I should'nt be I just can't manage an approach,I'll try fludd but that will only expand the distance I want to shorten in the first place (as a note he short hop's->pk fire so a short hope fireball wont work and a full jump only leaves me open unless the fireball hits)

 

[Judge Judy]

Don't use a fully charged fludd if you want to stay close, anyway the cape should be enough. I don't know but it worked for me, have you ever tried reflecting with the cape backwards?

 

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try shielding,you have to be offensive agianst a lucas chase him off the stage,fireball his second jump fludd pk,recovery.

I miss the long ranged fireballs =[

 

[BoTastic!]

lol major typos on OP.

 

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lolololo oh yeah thats really hilarious
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[BoTastic!]

lolololo oh yeah thats really hilarious
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yeah Captian Falcon, Flaco and Gannondorf should be fixed. lol

 

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yeah someone should fix that.
lol

 

[Geou]

The funniest thing about the Falco typo is that he misspells it Flaco EVERY time. XD

 

[Griffard]

Snake is not there! :O
I would say that he's a slight disadvantage

 

[mario brawler]

try shielding,you have to be offensive agianst a lucas chase him off the stage,fireball his second jump fludd pk,recovery.

I miss the long ranged fireballs =[

hmm I'l try keeping him busy but this lucas recovers with the snake he never recover with PK unless he knows the smake wont reach, which it usually does because of his crazy second jump the only way to make him PK recover is to edge hog but then I can't get into fludd postion quick enough lol