Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Mastermind]

Addendum to Handoread, the posts he has made so far are all mysteriously phrased, bit of an air of theatre, but I suspect that's a Hando-tell.

The reason I want him shot toDay and will shoot him if handed a gun unless something in the back seven pages catches my eye is his early reads. Everything, and I mean everything, is not committal. I took specific issue with the way he was treating BSP as well. I'll dig posts up when I'm caught up.

 

[Mastermind]

hando/ditz, nah. lurker duo, but for some reason i thought hando had a legit reason for lurking.

K.

bardull, yes. all im picking is tryhard townie vibes. i made this point before, but do u see Bardull as the type to clumsily push early d1 as scum?

I'm picking up wants to look good scum vibes. I think town Bardull is incredibly needy without a gun and I haven't seen that aside from pregame before roles were out. I see Bardull as the clumsy type, regardless. I don't think he's very good at pushing regardless of alignment, but he constantly wants the attention.

also @ mastermind: what do u think of Soup's reasoning to vote Dabuz for scummy purposes? do you think there was merit in that accusation that early into the game?

Link it. I don't know what you're talking about. My opinion changed based on recent

#HBC
#shoot him
#pain in the ***

posts. Prior to that, I thought he was fine unless you are talking about after page 12.

 

[Death Bear]

RykEEr isn't stepping on marhsy's toes ?
hmmm

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What, why Dabuz in particular? I haven't seen him post anything noteworthy yet. And why ask me specifically off the bat before I'm even in the game yet. I know we've been buddy buddy in past games, but this just seems like a weird opening move.

Ok, am I missing something in pre-game that had to do with dabuz? Or is this an RVS vote coincidence No Hetero

Negligent view on Dabuz from the get-go. Even after a couple of pages he's still pretty confused about it and would rather keep it as null.

Also can we get some substantiation from everyone who's citing Dabuz as their pick (so far iirc that's Kary, No Hetero, Omni, and Soup)

I re-skimmed his posts to see where these votes were coming from and all I could find for reasoning is the opinion that BSP should handle being King the way he wants to, which I agree with. We'll figure out if we feel BSP was being a good or bad, townie or scummy king after we analyze what he does of his own accord, not by telling him what to do and watching.

This is his second refferal to Dabuz. He stills acts very negligent and doesn't even pursue his vote below on Kary. I'm not even kidding when I think I seriously have money on this team.

Vote: Kary

I don't know what any of us were specifically looking for, but any answer would have been better than leaving...

Poor attempt to distance, no effort to pressure Kary which in turn makes the vote baseless in the first goddamn place.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Match that up with what I've quoted already and I could call it a half-***** case if you want to. I wanted ot wait until Dabuz got the noose but If we're going to play hardball then I'm going to play Hardball.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I might do a scratch up on Kary/JDietz while I'm at it too if I have to. I don't really want to but I know people are going to ask.

 

[Death Bear]

soup, how do you take Kary coming right out into the thread and trying to buddy JD and JD slapping him down in the way he did ?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup, how do you take Kary coming right out into the thread and trying to buddy JD and JD slapping him down in the way he did ?

Terrible attempt to distance that only solidifies my case already being formed.

 

[Death Bear]

hmm see, i dont see why they would need to bother if you get my drift

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If you'd like me to keep digging, you'll have to provide the shovel.

Why are you content following the Dabuz wagon at the moment? Do you actually think something in what Dabuz has done is scummy, or are you hoping to get something else out of the wagon? As of right now I'm not getting it.

Still being negligent to Dabuz. Literally not a single reason to be because at this point (this post is about #341) Dabuz has given plenty and been pursued by many. In the same post he does pressure Kary a bit but he doesn't really lead on it. There's a lot of conlcusions in his last read post (I quoted it) but none that really shows why he came up with that logic. Why? Because he's talking out of his *** as scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I did find something interesting though.

Gonna move. I moved. I'm gonna quote and talk about it now.

 

[No Hetero]

Match that up with what I've quoted already and I could call it a half-***** case if you want to. I wanted ot wait until Dabuz got the noose but If we're going to play hardball then I'm going to play Hardball.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright lol, I just wanted to hear you say it. But I think it was pretty obvious from the get go that in asking me to buddy you you were expecting some kind of response, saying so before hand wouldn't have changed me asking.

We'll give it a moment to have customs check your papers, but assuming things check out with you we can buddy all day.

(And please... we were always buddies. *insert J .gif here*)

well vote dabuz then!

chop chop!

Do I even need to say it? He doesn't even unvote Kary and keeps his apparent RVS vote on him and apparently they're buddies and friends now BUT WAIT

WHAT ABOUT HIS LAST READS POST? Yeah, you guys are done.

 

[Death Bear]

JDietz, buddy with me this game. Let's get Dabuz killed. Maybe we can recruit a big shot power player to our cause, perhaps No Hetero. But that's much of a muchness.

The two of us, let's run this town.

What, why Dabuz in particular? I haven't seen him post anything noteworthy yet. And why ask me specifically off the bat before I'm even in the game yet. I know we've been buddy buddy in past games, but this just seems like a weird opening move.

Soup, go back to early D1, is kary trying too hard ? I've looked over some of his early posts, like the one asking where the real sheppard was, and i find myself questioning why town kary would need to post that way, but also not seeing why he would try so hard to appear town as scum.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

(Translation: I can't even fake that I trust Kary right now for reads purposes, sorry guys)



Kary, seriously what are you doing right now. Why are you dragging Rake into this too?

What is this even I don't even know apparently they're okay then they're not okay and they've got this weird vibe to them.

Death Bear I don't want to comment on that until one flips scum but consider what I'm posting before you ask that again

 

[Death Bear]

fair enough.

I (Rake) still want Kary the most today, his execution does infinitely more than a dabuz kill for me at this point

 

[Death Bear]

Ryu isn't sold on the slip which BSP pointed out and i'll admit that slips happen regardless of alignment , but i will add that the way in which kary slipped instantly made me think necromafiaKary.

I'd really like kary to get in here and explain it fully though.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah, and the point of an RVS wagon isn't just to pile on mindlessly: it's to get people talking. People are talking now, some of us even about how we don't understand the Dabuz wagon *coughmecough*. If you think I'm just going to hop on because you want to be my friend, and I'm going to watch you vote Deathbear for not voting either you're entirely misinformed about what RVS is all about.

I don't care if the votes count or not, I want to know why you're acting screwy.

This isn't even about Kary anymore I don't get why he's being so Negligent to Dabuz so much, he literally just refuses to vote him or even give a solid stance, but when **** hits the fan he's more than willing to call him null and start to throw Kary under the bus. I haven't really seen Jdietz do anything with Kary yet he keeps posting about him. It's like an obsession only that with this obssesion it's a load of crap and JDietz can't come with a solid reason to pursue his partner without getting tongue tied.

I would love to see him to respond to everything I have said so far.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

fair enough.

I (Rake) still want Kary the most today, his execution does infinitely more than a dabuz kill for me at this point

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

JDietz latest posts are literally the ones I've quoted before. Since then he didn't even care and just kept his vote on Kary and willy nilly without any attempt to anything with it. This is a guy with his screwed on, J? Please. Let me know when you want to lynch scum.

I might even go so far as to get to others because apparently BSP is so scared that he refuses to listen to logic.

 

[Death Bear]

come at me Ryker, if you disagree, show me why

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

An Idiot's Guide To Mafia: Lynching Dabuz

He has the most connections out of all. We get the most profit from it and his play this game is not worth keeping around either. He's been scummy and useless. I'm not trying to be mean here but I'm not going to let him get away with this all day because clearly the thought hasn't occurred to him he's this close to death and he'd rather cry about it then do something to get the wagon off of him. I've already elaborated on special connections. Even if we're wrong on this then I'm perfectly content with looking at it more but I cannot do that because he's sitting there catching dust. I find myself revolted that some people don't want this because frankly YOU are being anti-town. Unless you can give a justifiable reason against that isn't along the lines of him being null then you need to shut your mouth.

 

[Omni]

Link it. I don't know what you're talking about. My opinion changed based on recent:

o that's fine then.

@soup/dbear: i havent been paying attention to kary. what slip? dumb and sum down this argument being made against him for me if u please.

@BSP: once Mastermind is done with his analysis and people answered his questions u cool with ending this Day?

 

[Omni]

soup, what are your thoughts on Gheb

 

[Omni]

by that i mean based off your idea on Dabuz. u think he's town just by interaction? u cool with him whiteknighting dabuz?

i dont know new gheb play but are u saying he's town simply based off meta from other games

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think his salt is more townie than scummy considering I would consider Gheb to be more preserved and worrying about his own hide then making a big issue out of nothing. He's not a concern right now, we get something out of him regarding Dabuz, hell, we something out of EVERYONE with Dabuz.

 

[Omni]

hm... okay

 

[Dabuz]

Soup, this is what I summarized from your case on Kary: (From my notes)

-Doesn't like the slot coming into thread posting things like "vote dabuz" since the slot is better than that and it isn't helpful.
-Worried thAT kARY IS PUSHING SLOTS WITH NO REASON after giving a stance. (oops, caps)
-suspicious of Kary pushing a slot so hard but then not willing to follow up with a lynch.
-WRT death bear: Soup states it's scummy for Kary to note a scrutiny of Death bear's slot but not follow it up in the same way KAry followed up scrutiny on the slots of Bardull and Myself. The lack of action doesn't' justify the explanation. Believes Kary is trying to find an excuse and lie to not pressure Death Bear's slot.
-Has a callout for Kary saying the slot isn't doing anything by telling people to lynch. Kary has yet to answer an earlier question and Soup thinks that is because Kary has no good answer to explain him/ herself.

From BSP's case on the Kary (the other case I've read), it's just a lot of talk about Kary being contradictory.

I highlighted the red to show parts of your case I did not even notice of in his play and take interest in, green is for something I have a disagreement with.

I didn't even notice the way Kary ignores DB despite the fact it would be fitting for the slot to follow up on DB considering previous explanations. I was trying to hint at something similar when asking Kary his opinion on Jdietz this game (bottom of my most recent wall of text directed to Kary which Kary has yet to post since I posted), but wouldn't have noticed the types of connections you are making ATM. Neither would have I been able to push it probably. :l

The other red highlight, regarding Kary not answering your question, is definitely suspicious. Hell, it's pretty scummy if Kary can't find a good answer for it when he next posts.

The green is where I disagree because I still think Kary was pushing for pressure. I do still think it is for pressure, but reading your case, it could be non-directed pressure? Feels null to me since I can see reasons for town and scum doing that.

I do have a solid stance on Kary. Your case brings up a few good points. I want to see Kary's replies first for the sake of getting the Kary side of things.


Will try to hit other stuff in the next posts.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Tell me your read on JDietz while you're at it.

 

[Dabuz]

Omni, what if there are still players who are a future liability on D2, do you ignore scum suspicions to go after them as well?

@Jdietz: Your last posts tell me you do not know what's going on in this thread or have been paying attention to the game. Read and post.



My read on Jdietz is lazy town/ stalker scum he hasn't put anything out much if anything. He last came into the thread and:

-Incorrectly evaluated Omni thinks I'm scum (652)
-Says Kary, Soup, and NH are most suspicious without giving reasoning. Except for Soup which he said, unsupported, that Soup flip-flopped on Kary. (652) He does bring up some reference in 654, but it's not really relevant to the claim in 652.
-Calls me null BUT says he thinks he agrees with Omni's assessment I am scum (653)

I know he said it was a quick write-up, but he hasn't been of presence for the entire game basically and shows he hasn't even been paying attention.

 

[Omni]

Omni, what if there are still players who are a future liability on D2, do you ignore scum suspicions to go after them as well?

you misunderstand. i don't ignore scum suspicions: my strongest suspicion being Soup. and i've been grilling you from the get go from dumb/scum. there's a difference. as for your question, it depends, but i've answered this before. i'm 100% down for removing liabilities D1/D2 and/or if we are in the lead. if you flip scum, then hell yea. if you flip town, probably not necessary. your flip will lead to more than enough reads that can be strengthened.

how i feel about you finally putting in work

do i personally think you're past the point of saving? probably.

 

[Dabuz]

@DB: Currently my biggest scumread is on NH.


Thought process behind him.


-At first he questions me on my logic behind King, disagrees with it. (That's fine with me.)
-Kary pressures me and decides to say I'm scum (which is contradicted by him as well), but NH decides to jump on the "dabuz scum" wagon as soon as Kary calls me scum. (Pressure I figure, W/E)
-Constantly makes short posts saying to lynch me, Refuses to explain reasoning when questioned by Jerkus, instead he attacks everyone who is against lynching me. (That makes me think he's trying to get attention/ a way to get into the game by being so...explosive.)
-Confirms he reads me as scum, STILL doesn't give reasoning. (Now I dislike like the slot)
-Increasingly becomes more and more anti-town with the same posting behavior, stating he will become cooperative when I die. (At this point, I think he's scum or dumb. Now I'm wondering, how can he be held to his word? He can't so it could be an easy way to push a mislynch for him and get away for it.)
-CONTINUES to not post anything of substance. (Getting tired of this crap now, realize if he doesn't post anything of substance, on his death he won't give much for the players to work with, that's anti-town by itself. I'm just re-thinking the stuff and after Soup asks me dumb or scum, it feels like more scum less dumb)

 

[Handorin]

Mastermind- don't even pretend like you don't know what I play like. I'm not scum cause you can't read me.

Hopping on a plane now. Catch you guys later.

 

[Mastermind]

The **** was that about? Since when were you so confrontational.

If EE can't read you, then you are unreadable. Completely and totally. As such, you should die.

 

[Dabuz]

When I flip town (Unless king decides I should be kept alive), what is it gonna tell you about Soup?

I feel like there's something odd about the way Gheb confronted Omni a few pages back, but I can't put my finger on it.

 

[Omni]

what like u think Gheb is sure you're not scum cuz he's scum

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

When I flip town (Unless king decides I should be kept alive), what is it gonna tell you about Soup?

I feel like there's something odd about the way Gheb confronted Omni a few pages back, but I can't put my finger on it.

I might look at things a bit differently and go from there. I'm not really out to call the team on D1 but if I do then that's fine with me.

Anyone we're looking out for on your hypothetical town flip?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey Mastermind why do you want Hando over Dabuz/Kary/Bardull

I'm cool with a bit more pressure but not feeling the need to go full blown execute today

 

[Death Bear]

dabuz, i want you to solidly commit and tell me that gheb is either white-knighting you as scum for town cred or is town who is so sold on Omni / NH scum that he believes anyone they push to be innocent

 

[Death Bear]

i want you to specifically look at what i posted a short while ago in regards to the vibes i was getting off gheb and tell me if and how they resonate with what your saying. I then want you to drag up gheb's quotes and show me why you can't put a finger on his alignment.