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[BSP]

PS: I'd give any money Soup and Kary are scumbuddies, you don't flip from not noticing anything wrong with Kary's play, to saying it's suspicious when it starts looking like Kary might be the play, back to chainsaw defense mode when Dabuz is back in session for no reason.

Seriously, is everyone just not noticing this or something?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

inb4 gheb runs in screaming and pointing, "SEE OMG OMNI IS JOKING. DEFINITELY SCUM RIGHT THURRR. DOES NOTHING ALL GAME"

I mean, you're virtually begging for it with posts like these. And don't act like the issue is only about being jokey - it's more than just that.

 

[BSP]

scumteam is lookin like dabuz/soup/bardull with a little Jerk as a safety net in there for good measure. more later. for now you get my shtick

Who wouldn't ;-D?

I'm wasting my breath, but why Dabuz and Bardull over Kary?

You guys are just throwing things out.

 

[No Hetero]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Seriously, is everyone just not noticing this or something?

Agreed, I really don't like soup's play. Can definitely see a team of Soup, Kary and one of Omni and NH. The latter two really seem to be competing with each other on who manages to be more scummy. Wish you'd take your time and look at both slots.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Agreed, I really don't like soup's play. Can definitely see a team of Soup, Kary and one of Omni and NH. The latter two really seem to be competing with each other on who manages to be more scummy. Wish you'd take your time and look at both slots.

RykEEr, can you guys weigh in on this? That's be more helpful than dig up old stuff.

 

[BSP]

Can definitely see a team of Soup, Kary and one of Omni and NH.

Oddly enough, all four of you want Dabuz gone today.

 

[Omni]

^talk about extreme tunneling

 

[No Hetero]

Soup scum? Possible, but unlucky given all the rageposts in the second half of the Day, and not an avenue worth investigating in D1. I'm a little gunshy after getting him wrong in The Wall and would appreciate a second opinion moving forward.

Kary scum? Possible given how cagey he seems to be, but I think that's just Kary. His early-Day gives me town vibes. Marshy's not a fan but Kary's not on our agenda overall.

 

[No Hetero]

unlikely*

Bardull scum? Could be. The last game I read of him as town, he got laughed out. In G3S 2 as my scumbud, he seemed to have a level head. He did replace in halfway, into a not-so-stable situation, but he didn't really go off the rails like he did here.

I want to see where all the pieces fit with respect to dabuz.

 

[BSP]

You're kidding on that last sentence, right?

 

[No Hetero]

No..?

I heard a good joke the other day about a Salarian and a math problem if you like.

 

[Death Bear]

Nabe, is soup giving you wall vibes or are you hesitating purely because of how off that read was from the wall. Moreso how is soups's wall play effecting whatever read you have on him

 

[Death Bear]

in exchange i'll trade you my thoughts on soup since you wanted a second opinion and i'm just going to assume you don't care who gives you one

 

[No Hetero]

My read on Soup has nothing to do with The Wall, but as I said, I read him wrong there and would appreciate other opinions if/when looking at Soup matters.

Feel free to talk about Soup, that's cool. You're Ryu/Ran, right?

 

[No Hetero]

I've made at least half the posts. Can't please some people.

You please me, though ;-D

 

[No Hetero]

Oddly enough, all four of you want Dabuz gone today.

you definitely have the team right now boy-o

 

[Death Bear]

bahahaahaha

Rake lol.

I'm not sure how i feel about being confused for Ran

 

[No Hetero]

Oh. Then I need to reread you.

Soup?

 

[Death Bear]

writing it now nabe-y baby

 

[Jdietz43]

I don't even understand JDietz' reasoning to be so against Dabuz, his reasoning is simply "I don't see it" and it's a load of bull**** because half of this day you've got obvtown hardbodying Dabuz' scum *** into the ground and the other bickering about useless ****.

Lot of profanity in that, did I make my point clear? Why are you asking me about Kary if you're leaning on him right now? Where does it come from? You out three reads that literally have no substantiation and nothing that points towards you leaning towards that logic. You need to be more willing to explain things.

Because literally the only reason to be hardbodying Dabuz (especially at that point of the game) was if you were smoking extra crack or had an ulterior motive to quick lynch him. Your "obvtown" (NH, yourself, Kary, Omni) was literally my scum-list and largely still is. How about backing up some of those "obvtown" claims first before you start preaching.

This is a J post. How the **** is Bardull the one with his head straight and Gheb is a loon right now. JDietz hasn't even done anything. How are they the ones with their head straight? I'm serious about an answer to that because if you asked me JDietz is out of whack this game and can't even bother to keep up with the game, his attitude towards Dabuz is crap because even if he were against it I would be fine with it until that he has explictly stated that he just think he's null more than anything. I think I remember JDietz leaving a question to someone (I believe Kary or Dabuz) which he didn't even follow up on. Apparently that's sanity now? Are you serious about Bardull? Basically the same thing with JDietz only if you added in a unjustified attitude and unwillingness to listen to others because he sets his own standards so high he just scoffs at the idea of someone not having the same read as him.

@Bold: Because he IS null. He's still done nothing but get yelled at by people who are apparently out of their minds for reasons no one can adequately explain. Especially not you.

Link the question.

My posts that soup quoted in blue:

What, why Dabuz in particular? I haven't seen him post anything noteworthy yet. And why ask me specifically off the bat before I'm even in the game yet. I know we've been buddy buddy in past games, but this just seems like a weird opening move.
Quote:
Ok, am I missing something in pre-game that had to do with dabuz? Or is this an RVS vote coincidence No Hetero

Negligent view on Dabuz from the get-go. Even after a couple of pages he's still pretty confused about it and would rather keep it as null.



Also can we get some substantiation from everyone who's citing Dabuz as their pick (so far iirc that's Kary, No Hetero, Omni, and Soup)

I re-skimmed his posts to see where these votes were coming from and all I could find for reasoning is the opinion that BSP should handle being King the way he wants to, which I agree with. We'll figure out if we feel BSP was being a good or bad, townie or scummy king after we analyze what he does of his own accord, not by telling him what to do and watching.

This is his second refferal to Dabuz. He stills acts very negligent and doesn't even pursue his vote below on Kary. I'm not even kidding when I think I seriously have money on this team.

Vote: Kary

I don't know what any of us were specifically looking for, but any answer would have been better than leaving...

Poor attempt to distance, no effort to pressure Kary which in turn makes the vote baseless in the first goddamn place.

You're still acting like Dabuz has actually DONE something to have an opinion about. The only reason anyone is even talking about him is because Kary decided it was his mission in life to form a vote-conga line on the slot. My opinion here of asking wtf people are talking about is entirely warranted.

Iirc that was pretty much my first bouts of posts in the game, I shortly follow up with Kary on my return as he continues to act strangely despite my leaving of the thread after voting the first time. Which you'll quote below but ignore for some reason.

If you'd like me to keep digging, you'll have to provide the shovel.

Why are you content following the Dabuz wagon at the moment? Do you actually think something in what Dabuz has done is scummy, or are you hoping to get something else out of the wagon? As of right now I'm not getting it.

Still being negligent to Dabuz. Literally not a single reason to be because at this point (this post is about #341) Dabuz has given plenty and been pursued by many. In the same post he does pressure Kary a bit but he doesn't really lead on it. There's a lot of conlcusions in his last read post (I quoted it) but none that really shows why he came up with that logic. Why? Because he's talking out of his *** as scum.

And why wouldn't I pursue answers from the slots I see pushing hard for no discernible reason, many acting like they actually did (and still do) want a lynch on a null?

As for why there aren't solid conclusions written up to the T, maybe you just conveniently skipped the part where I tell everyone I'm summarizing before I hit the sack and will hope to be back after work tomorrow (aka: right now).

As for why I picked who I picked it shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand: Kary is acting crazy, you're acting crazy about Kary, and NH is just plain being crazy. I didn't have time for a play by play, but it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out from my comment:

Do I even need to say it? He doesn't even unvote Kary and keeps his apparent RVS vote on him and apparently they're buddies and friends now BUT WAIT

WHAT ABOUT HIS LAST READS POST? Yeah, you guys are done.

...wait for it...

What is this even I don't even know apparently they're okay then they're not okay and they've got this weird vibe to them.

Death Bear I don't want to comment on that until one flips scum but consider what I'm posting before you ask that again

The thing to understand here is: I still wasn't ok with Kary. For a brief moment I thought maybe if I played it off like I was satisfied with what he had said I could glean some beneficial information from it to see into his intent further, but upon further inspection and the realization the only apparent reason he even wanted my friendship in the first place was for another vote on Dabuz I had to cut that short. Especially after he insta-turned on Deathbear just for not going along with the vote, a slot I thought had been doing just fine. It made no sense as town and still doesn't.

Yeah, and the point of an RVS wagon isn't just to pile on mindlessly: it's to get people talking. People are talking now, some of us even about how we don't understand the Dabuz wagon *coughmecough*. If you think I'm just going to hop on because you want to be my friend, and I'm going to watch you vote Deathbear for not voting either you're entirely misinformed about what RVS is all about.

I don't care if the votes count or not, I want to know why you're acting screwy.

This isn't even about Kary anymore I don't get why he's being so Negligent to Dabuz so much, he literally just refuses to vote him or even give a solid stance, but when **** hits the fan he's more than willing to call him null and start to throw Kary under the bus. I haven't really seen Jdietz do anything with Kary yet he keeps posting about him. It's like an obsession only that with this obssesion it's a load of crap and JDietz can't come with a solid reason to pursue his partner without getting tongue tied.

I would love to see him to respond to everything I have said so far.

Soup: Dabuz doesn't even freaking matter in this equation anymore, he never did as far as I can tell, because no one can give me a reason to actually care about him. What I do care about, and have never stopped caring about, is people who start wagons for no reason and stick to them even after RVS is long long gone, asking for recruits and not substantiating why. (especially when they actually start getting some takers)

I find the fact you're claiming my play is Kary-centric hilarious in light of your fixation with him. First you don't care about him, then you hate him, then you claim to hate him yet are... saving him from me by lynching me instead? It doesn't make any sense and just makes me think you've really gone downhill in your scum game. (or off your rocker as town)

Look Soup: if this is the height of your game, to insinuate that me and Kary are partners because I talked some and then left, and that Dabuz still needs to die anyways, then to hope that this case against me makes some sense to anyone then I hate to tell you: but the soup went cold days ago.

 

[Jdietz43]

EBWOP: Forgot to respond to the second paragraph of the first soup quote: Should read something like:

"Because I'm waiting to see if you're his scum partner based on how you respond to my question, but then this happened when I got back"

 

[No Hetero]

How do you feel about Kary now? And about Bardull?

 

[Jdietz43]

Kill Soup/Kary, maybe NH.

BSP: how do you feel about this opinion?

 

[Jdietz43]

How do you feel about Kary now? And about Bardull?

Kary is likely scum and should go.

Bardull I don't mind so much, he acted pretty derpy at first but it didn't seem like a tell either way to me. Null, not a high priority to sort yet.

 

[No Hetero]

It's been a while since I've seen you, could you remind me what the reasoning is on Kary?

 

[BSP]

Kill Soup/Kary, maybe NH.

BSP: how do you feel about this opinion?

Agree 100%

 

[BSP]

It's been a while since I've seen you, could you remind me what the reasoning is on Kary?

You aren't reading

 

[Jdietz43]

• Opened the game asking me to buddy and lynch Dabuz
• People asked why, Kary wouldn't say
• I asked why, Kary wouldn't say and left the thread
• I said I'd think about it, but why Dabuz. Kary said "He's scum"
• I asked why, no real answer. Asked everyone else to join anyways.
• Gave Death Bear flak for not joining, gave bad reasoning to back self up
• When asked whether they wanted Dabuz dead said "No", then "Yes", then "No", now claims yes and that it's substantiated

Basically read page ~6-14 and tell me it's not off

 

[Death Bear]

i like JD this game.

fate is really making my week right now

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Dietz, what do you think about Omni. His slot hasn't been talked about nearly enough.

 

[No Hetero]

Anything w.r.t. being partners with him in Tekken?

 

[No Hetero]

@Dietz of course

 

[Death Bear]

Nabe: my notes so far & up to date:

alright, early soup felt like he was just there for a while and i found myself flip flopping between disinterested town who hasn't found something to push and laid back scum lazing back and letting town run around.

his thing with bardull was interesting in terms of interactions but it never felt like soup was going anywhere with it (if that makes any sense)

his questioning on me was short, but i felt that soup just dropping made me feel odd, but it ended up being a null tell.

his push for info out of BSP made me give him a small town lean at that time because it seemed to me like he was trying to help BSP gather his own thoughts moreso than soup trying to
force his opinion on BSP. I also liked him holding bsp on the mastermind thing, even with what BSP has been saying about soups switch, i felt soup thus far has explained that switch well.
Soup also forced Omni at a point to out his suspicions, this doesn't seem like something he would do as scum, unless he was very very confident, something i haven't been picking up from soups intent so far.

I liked soups 455, it echoes my feelings at this point on Kary and the timing didn't feel off.

His jump on kary felt more towny then scummy and all his shouting at / around and getting on BSP i wrote down as a flat null initially because i've seen him take that attitude before as scum and if i recall right as town as well.

but right now the thing sticking out to me is his switch back, and how he's gone back to dabuz and now in combo with JD. which i'd like him to elaborate on.

So right now i'm giving him a null-small town lean with a note to keep an eye on where his pushes go and his substantiation on them.

 

[No Hetero]

Was it you or Orbo who had gutscum on Seph in Wall?

 

[Death Bear]

all rake on that one

 

[No Hetero]

Any gut feelings this time?

 

[Omni]

Soup also forced Omni at a point to out his suspicions, this doesn't seem like something he would do as scum, unless he was very very confident, something i haven't been picking up from soups intent so far.

where is this

 

[Death Bear]

early game omni, around the second time you voted soup iirc

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't see what's so unlikely about scummysoup doing that though.