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I will say I can respect the fact you aren't trying to dress up your opinion/reasoning on the Dabuz lynch though Omni. I may not agree with it, but I can respect the way it's postulated.
best post i've seen all dayI think I'm ready to end this day
So it was important that I answered your questions,If by hold-up, you mean me responding to your questions? I was playing LOL all day yesterday until I made the post you responded to. (Double IP weekend)
Explain why Kary would choose to super-push Dabuz D1, successfully putting himself and his scumbuddy in the spotlight. Realise you're an idiot, and that I'm not buddies with dabuz.oh my god Kary/Dabuz is so ****ing obvious right now and JDietz is the ****ing peanut butter of this scum sandwich
haha and you just said I had nothing to push you on. you don't seem to be making any effort to read either of our slots, and yet surprise you want me (being the stronger, more active player)I'm going to say kary > dabuz preferably as kary has had more interactions to work with especially with dabuz in perticular
dabuz attacks NH's play, which is interesting because it shows a remarkable lack of meta. Can't decide if this is faking a convenient scumread or genuine lost-at-sea newbiness.And now we have No Hetero basically white-knighting Kary through attacking Jerkus and anyone else vocally against my wagon.
no I think it means I'm gonna keep thinking you're scum, for the existing reasons I have, until something comes along to change my mind. doesn't mean i'm sure, but i can see how you might get the two confusedYou think I'm scum but can't be sure for obvious reasons. Now you think I'm scum until I prove you wrong, which basically means you're "sure" I'm scum. WTF is it? Either I'm def. scum to you or you're not sure, not both.
scumWhat is your read on Jdietz? Why?
fine, and fineWhat is your opinion on Omni's play so far? In particular, are you fine with him being ready for me to be executed for being dumb or a liability in his eyes?
don't understand trying to get reads?Don't like the bolded, don't understand your need to push something so hard if you weren't ready to the end the day, looking at your early posts I could have sworn you'd be okay with Dabuz getting lynched. Why not?
correct; not on my list of people to needlessly antagonize. Only really interested in pushing one slot at a time.But they don't deserve the same treatment you gave Bardull and Dabuz?
blah blah you're an imbecile. we wouldn't be having this conversation if I hadn't taken those actions, congrats, I got a read on you, among others, GG.Do you feel your actions had an effect? I certainly didn't.
I'm scumreading him because I have a scum vibe from him. It's not a change in the strength of the read, it's an explanation of the basis of the read.In literally the next post you made, you went from scum read to scum vibe. I don’t even have to ask you what made you change your mind, because nothing could have.
nope. just nope. you realize that votes don't count, therefore calling for them is the epitome of trying to get reactions from people?Your first section is false. You’re obviously not sure whether or not Dabuz is scum as demonstrated above. You just want his lynch without being sure. I’m not even going to scrounge up all the posts you made telling people to vote for Dabuz.
congrats my scumread isn't thought out because i'm not even certain he's scum yet.You also say that it’s too early to expect you to have reads on Dabuz’s flip – this confirms that you haven’t really thought the scum read out. Also, notice that you say the underlined when you’ve already told Dabuz you think he’s scum.
you're looking at the face value of each of my statements for any sort of logical inconsistency when you should be asking yourself whether it feels like i'm being scummy, or whether my play actually makes any sense as scum.Can you explain this?
not sure if serious. gonna assume you're not so i don't have to scumread you based on suggesting a policy lynchimo we trade kary / dabuz dying for marshy outing his shiz throughout the rest of the game, if he doesn't follow through we execute him /obv
note to self; this is not a stanceJdietz is fine where he is right now.[/COLOR]
get back in the shadows, you. no-one needs your idle train of thought.I'm currently wondering why Soup flip-flopped his stance on Kary so suddenly (will get around to quoting), as well as why NH is bashing his head against Jerkus (who I feel is on point).
or just ignore him. not killing a slot just because you disagree with them.Omni isn't playing this game serious, end of story. He only shows pathetic excuses to not actually hunt scum. Kill him before he gets this town killed.
town-tell hereOmni, I'm not at a comp so I can't delve into that completely
But let me get this straight
Soup is more scummy than Dabuz, but Dabuz is the play for today?
textbook ad hominemNobody who's on the dabuz wagon is in a position to call my argument flimsy.
bwahahahahahaGheb, B-dull and Jditzy are the only ones making any sense in here. Anyone who thinks any of those slots are scum right now isn't using their head (or is scum).
I like that you have this opinion.Dabuz is not the play. He is flat null.
With you again, fair enough... wait, what? Did you just forget how to read people, or do you actually think everyone on the dabuz waggon is scum? nevermind, don't answer that.I would sooner see any one of the Dabuz wagoners go toDay before Dabuz. No Hetero, Soup, Omni and Kary can all eat a bullet for all I care (in roughly that order, I think, but the Day is young).
wow this seems rich, given you're already arguing who's a better lynch based on connections, and i've not actually seen a great deal in terms of you trying to read me/dabuz. I remember you made a case, then unvoted me, but appaz i'm still scum :/With many people having near zero attempts at trying to read him.
Initial reaction was GhebKary, if I were to put up the only two candidates to be shot today as Gheb and Omni, who would you want gone?
**** not shooting Soup
I don't really like that this is what you drop into the thread to argue about. But whatever. IMO this is exactly the sort of question that gives scum ammo to mess you about.The short of it: people committing to where they'd go after a Dabuz flip isn't anti-town and is actually a smart thing for the people gunning for Dabuz to do.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, you should perhaps learn to read when one player is trying to position themselves relative to another, and when two players are both doing that. I will admit Ditzy may be scum positioning relative to me, but that doesn't make me scum.lmao JDietz is scum with Kary hahahah
you only get so many lynches. i'm looking forward to hearing what EE thinks about the shape of the game overall.Nvm, Soup can go. Put him behind Bardull.
seriously think dabuz/soup are aligned? don't be lazy now.scumteam is lookin like dabuz/soup/bardull with a little Jerk as a safety net in there for good measure. more later. for now you get my shtick
wow. read what I just wrote above to soup w.r.t. positioning.PS: I'd give any money Soup and Kary are scumbuddies, you don't flip from not noticing anything wrong with Kary's play, to saying it's suspicious when it starts looking like Kary might be the play, back to chainsaw defense mode when Dabuz is back in session for no reason.
or are they maybe scum agreeing with a convenient theorySeriously, is everyone just not noticing this or something?
gutscum hereBecause literally the only reason to be hardbodying Dabuz (especially at that point of the game) was if you were smoking extra crack or had an ulterior motive to quick lynch him. Your "obvtown" (NH, yourself, Kary, Omni) was literally my scum-list and largely still is. How about backing up some of those "obvtown" claims first before you start preaching.
welpAgree 100%
I really like some of these questions/observations this game, but I don't feel like you're actively pushing things to find scum. I don't get it, is this a conscious playstyle thing?JD, you have Soup as scum, why didn't he just see something he agreed with an make a jump on it ?
you know this is weak RVS stuffKary: kary is off this game and a gut scum read that my head agrees with, his swapping on dabuz being a lsecondary factor as stated before that plus the manner he voted me when i didn't jump dabuz with him, on first read his substantiation on why he did that was weak.
no, no you're notI think I'm ready to end this day
I just said this in my big post, but you're reading too much into the face value of people's posts, expecting to catch scum based on the way they word things or whatever. This is specifically not reading for intentions, and so not particularly likely to catch you scum.Also, remember that he specifically said Kary had stances, not just one.
weak = more likely to be innacurateweak =/= innacurate
stop pretending to try and read mekary, explain your head to me this game.
How long do you plan to push dabuz and what do you make of what he said wrt gheb
i barely understand thisyour more likely to get a better read on the Rake side by pushing me on my gut reads , that way i can judge your intent and have the chance to idea bounce what your postulating against the gut reads i fell more strongly about.
And that way you can see where my / head gut is a use that
/just saying
no idea why you get that feel. I'm pushing where i'm interested and my interest comes and goes in waves with some slots so /shrugI really like some of these questions/observations this game, but I don't feel like you're actively pushing things to find scum. I don't get it, is this a conscious playstyle thing?
Like i said elsewhere i'm using my gut moreso in this game. Downside to this is there's no set time as to when i have a snap of an idea and decide to roll with it. That considered i'm also trying to keep my head up to speed with my gut reads and have substantiation as in past games I haven't been able to explain gut reads well at all, I know why i have them of course, but I have legitimate issues making it clear to others as to why. [see: kevmo in Utrik'd, Kantrip in BAM]
I would think that's a large reason as to why my intent is harder to pick up on this game.
I'm not sure if it's i'm being more preserved so much as i'm letting my gut do what it does and act on it then and hopefully i'm able to make my intentions clearer when I make that push.
As for my intentions right now, I'm kind of letting this "RVS"stage play out and seeing if anything interests me , speaking of,right now I'm comfortable with a Unvote/B].
Now i gotta ask you soup, who are you feeling right now ? I don't care if it's a "i just want to see a little more out of" or whatever, because i find myself at an impasse with my fake vote as well. I need an idea bounce for lack of more accurate terms.
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Rake, you're doing that thing where I pinned you in G3S. You're over compensating your posts again. Give me a definitive stance and try to avoid that as I'm probably going to drill you if you keep doing it.
Vig bardull
Lynch dabuz
That's my head canon right now. Not really anyone else who has posted has really interested me. I know Omni finally responded to some things though so let me get to that.
there you go kary.drill me all you like soup btw, i don't see overcompensation in that post, you asked me what was up and i gave you the down low.
That seems a little predictive. Kary didn't plan any mislynches in Tekken?Not much meta specific. His posting style is in line with having the Kary aligned attribute in exuberance, but I can't find a good reason for the rest of the way he's played so far. When we were partners we were usually trying to work towards a goal of mischief, so as best I can figure this is him moving towards early directionless discussion and maybe a D1 mislynch since I'm not buying that much dedication to pressure was purely RVS motivated.
This back-and-forth + Ryker earlier is convincing me I haven't been paying enough attention to Soup. Is this how it went down in your eyes, Rake?Here's what I'm thinking:
Soup told me that Kary had definite stances. The only non-scummy way that he could come to this conclusion is that he actually paid attention to Kary's posts.
I point out to him that Kary has only made 1 stance, and that was Bardull trying too hard. From this, we already know
1) the stance wasn't legitimate
2) he wasn't reading closely
3) he was fine with validating Kary without paying attention
After this, Soup says I'm right, and then turns around and starts questioning Kary about things that were in plain view before I called him out on his error.
Rake, I'll admit, you do have a point. Maybe he did see something he agreed with. The main problem for me is that he outed his incorrect stance in the first place, because that tells me that he wasn't paying attention.
I should be proactive so you don't **** up?yeah so ask me why i don't like them then lol.
Be proactive townKary so that we don't end up repeating the wall
Nabe: my notes so far & up to date:
alright, early soup felt like he was just there for a while and i found myself flip flopping between disinterested town who hasn't found something to push and laid back scum lazing back and letting town run around.
his thing with bardull was interesting in terms of interactions but it never felt like soup was going anywhere with it (if that makes any sense)
his questioning on me was short, but i felt that soup just dropping made me feel odd, but it ended up being a null tell.
his push for info out of BSP made me give him a small town lean at that time because it seemed to me like he was trying to help BSP gather his own thoughts moreso than soup trying to
force his opinion on BSP. I also liked him holding bsp on the mastermind thing, even with what BSP has been saying about soups switch, i felt soup thus far has explained that switch well.
Soup also forced Omni at a point to out his suspicions, this doesn't seem like something he would do as scum, unless he was very very confident, something i haven't been picking up from soups intent so far.
I liked soups 455, it echoes my feelings at this point on Kary and the timing didn't feel off.
His jump on kary felt more towny then scummy and all his shouting at / around and getting on BSP i wrote down as a flat null initially because i've seen him take that attitude before as scum and if i recall right as town as well.
but right now the thing sticking out to me is his switch back, and how he's gone back to dabuz and now in combo with JD. which i'd like him to elaborate on.
So right now i'm giving him a null-small town lean with a note to keep an eye on where his pushes go and his substantiation on them.
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You are aware that Soup wasn't even batting an eye at Kary until I pointed out to him that he incorrectly stated Kary had "made definitive stances" up to a point.
The timing is 100% off. He incorrectly stated something about the slot, and then 180'd on it after I pointed out the error.
BSP, wrt eyelashes:
i don't see it that way, explain why he couldn't have just seen something he agreed with
gut reads:
Soup is off-pace and i can't figure out why, however the null small town lean still applies as above, although of all my gut reads this one is most liable to change depending on flips. Some of what he's done as shown by BSP have been questionable and i'd like to see Soup be grilled on it further. I'll probably get around to asking soup about some of my feelings on him.
Gheb: I still have those disney vibes kicking around in my head, but i can see where he's coming from on NH, i don't agree with it, but i think i can see the logic behind it.
JD: town vibes after his latest posts, earlier when soup had thrown JD in with kary / dabuz i aired my doubts right there to soup about JD being in that group of scummers and i still disagree with him being in that group. Soup's points didn't really sway me as i recall when he talked about JD scum
Bard : town vibes , his early gun stuff is non telling , his back and forth with soup had put him above soup in my reads at that point , his interactions haven't seemed off like they were in BAM and he hasn't been dropping the same sort of baseless things he did there.
BSP: town, more confident on this with how BSP is pushing his scum reads right now, how he held his ground during the hbc calls, and his response to my concern about him walking the line
NH: it's marshy and he looks a lot like he did in the wall, admittedly when i read the wall i made a point of not differentiating between you and marshy's posts so i could read them without bias, doing that this time has made me feel null town on you, marshy's push on dabuz may be unsubstantiated , but i don't find myself agreeing with gheb that marshy is scum over it
Here's what I'm thinking:
Soup told me that Kary had definite stances. The only non-scummy way that he could come to this conclusion is that he actually paid attention to Kary's posts.
I point out to him that Kary has only made 1 stance, and that was Bardull trying too hard. From this, we already know
1) the stance wasn't legitimate
2) he wasn't reading closely
3) he was fine with validating Kary without paying attention
After this, Soup says I'm right, and then turns around and starts questioning Kary about things that were in plain view before I called him out on his error.
Rake, I'll admit, you do have a point. Maybe he did see something he agreed with. The main problem for me is that he outed his incorrect stance in the first place, because that tells me that he wasn't paying attention.
that is a fair point BSP, so let's talk about , let's say Soup is scum for a moment, how does that change your dabuz read ? Is he easy bussable scum ? Is he easy Ml town ?
Let's say you execute him , where do you look on scumSoup and on townSoup ?
in addition , How does soup owning up to skimming play into this, could he have felt that Kary's stance on Bardull was legit and he had put kary down as not worth his interest until the points you had brought up made him reconsider ?
see the aboveThis back-and-forth + Ryker earlier is convincing me I haven't been paying enough attention to Soup. Is this how it went down in your eyes, Rake?
also, you didn't miss it. i hadn't given it until now.Omni, what's your read on me? I probably missed it. Read on Gheb as well? Cheers.
yeah but if i'm town then i'm wasting my time in pushing you, because you're townbecause i'm not worried about why you find me grody in the least, i've had my substantiations and i stand by every push i have made thus far in the game. i have no issue going into why / how i came to my conclusions and will continue to push where i like , when i like , so long as the avenue seems legitimate and will help me (and ryu by proxy) to get scum.