Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Omni]

can u stop talking for a while death bear

 

[Death Bear]

yeah i'm done for now.

gonna talk to ryu, see what he wants to do and possibly make another push if i agree with him

peace out & harizardbrawl:

 

[Handorin]

Ryker: scum(rule number one after all) no but really, i'm alright with ryker, his catch up posts have been decent but i'm not ready to call ryker anything but null. Ryker pushing me how he did i haven't been able to make a decision on it yet.

i wanna see where he goes with soupScum and that hando read.

Hando: null. not feeling much from this slot yet

Jerkus: like him, town lean, he seems to be on the same wave length as i've been floating around with dabuz. i want to see where his reads go(as i recall he dislikes the people on the dabuz wagon ) (including soup ? ) that being said it's J and you always have to keep your eye on what J's doing. Him fighting with NH is not that telling to me and i might go grill jerkus later to see where the heads are at

dabuz: the vinyl of this game. somehow this is going to be how it ends up , and right now thsi pretty much describes dabuz for me, although i will say his stance on gheb was a step up from his game thus far

Someone needs to teach him what the real Rule #1 is.

I was expecting this Day to be over after I got off the plane and saw 3 or so pages of content. Sad to see I was wrong. Just shoot Dabuz/Soup/maybe Kary and move on with it, please.

In the mean time, it's 130am, I have to be up for my 8am class, then I have to write a paper all day that's due tomorrow. I'll stop by every once in awhile. Laterz.

 

[BSP]

but whatever, as long as you don't **** up toDay I don't really mind

What, in your opinion, is not ****ing up toDay?

or are they maybe scum agreeing with a convenient theory

See: the entire Dabuz wagon; this goes both ways, but the side I'm on right now makes more sense to me.

I just said this in my big post, but you're reading too much into the face value of people's posts, expecting to catch scum based on the way they word things or whatever. This is specifically not reading for intentions, and so not particularly likely to catch you scum.

/yeahwowdefendingsoup
/oryoucouldplaywell

If you're really a townie who doesn't know anything, you don't make incorrect statements or place double standards in your ideas because you should be reading everything very closely.

Every time I've just let small things go, it's bitten me in the butt later.

 

[BSP]

While I don't think my idea of who's going toDay is going to change, I would be wrong if I said we didn't have more to discuss.

You'll have time to catch up Hando

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you can get a read of it , who joins you, who doesn't .
How they join you , when , are they piling on by repeating your points but never contributing their own.

Yeah but this doesn't explain why I should push you over anyone else. My point is that sure, pushes may be good, but surely it's better for me to be pushing a player who's scum, than you who's town.

On a related note, it looks like a scumtell to even say something like 'yeah i'm fine if you push/question me', because that should be default townie behaviour, not the sort of thing you have to make known.

but w/e

What, in your opinion, is not ****ing up toDay?

don't execute someone who's demonstrably town.
i.e. don't execute someone, only to turn around and realize 'oh wait they were obvious town given X,Y,Z'

so, bare minimum, don't execute me. I haven't read closely enough to clear Soup or dabuz yet, but they look like they could plausibly be clear, given
a) lack of plausible scum intent
b) a lot of hate for their slots flying around

but then again that's my (kinda biased) opinion. You can use information like that to push people, asking 'so why didn't you think so-and-so was town given X?', but it has the drawback of requiring that you lynch a townie first.

See: the entire Dabuz wagon; this goes both ways, but the side I'm on right now makes more sense to me.

dabuz might be a bad waggon, but trying to pick out the scum from amidst the bored townies is going to be a task and a half.

If you're really a townie who doesn't know anything, you don't make incorrect statements or place double standards in your ideas because you should be reading everything very closely.

townies make mistakes, and only skim the thread, it's just a fact.

i'll admit that when you called Soup on my not having multiple stances, it was weird that he didn't argue or try and clarify his position (from what I recall). But you have to evaluate whether that could've just been Soup not paying attention.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

oh and @BSP; do you think I'm scum with Soup?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: do you think Soup and I could reasonably be scumbuddies, or is that unlikely?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

OK with Kary dying [especially after his 696 and because his attacks against dabuz are becoming increasingly hard to believe] but I think soup's a better play. I'm actually starting to think that he could be the #1 play toDay.

Omni have you taken a single stance on me that's not based on you being a jerk you not agreeing with how I play this game? If you don't understand how one could interpret your play as scummy then you're not trying your hardest to win this game for town - just because it's consistent doesn't mean it's pro-town. It's easier for scum to remain consistent than for a townie.

Omni, what's your read on me? I probably missed it. Read on Gheb as well? Cheers.

Congrats, it took nearly a thousand posts in this thread for you to make one that actually shows you have some sort of interest in winning this game. Keep it up.

 

[No Hetero]

:yaw n:

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're all idiots and you need to stop clogging this goddamn thread with useless banter. I can see why EE wants to hide in a QT with this bull****.

Dabuz still isn't dead. #Pain In My *** #Raztarded #BS*****

 

[~ Gheb ~]

^ Look Death Bear, that is me in Disney

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually, I'm going to read this very painful thread and respond to Jdietz.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

soup: I'm reading the thread right now and rofl'ing hard at your "callout", I'll respond shortly, but needless to say you need to learn how to read.

PS: I'd give any money Soup and Kary are scumbuddies, you don't flip from not noticing anything wrong with Kary's play, to saying it's suspicious when it starts looking like Kary might be the play, back to chainsaw defense mode when Dabuz is back in session for no reason.

Actually my whole basis on this is that I wanted Dabuz lynched before I even scratched the surface of that half-***** case I made. I don't think I could made myself more clear but I would like to congratulate you for caring about your own *** instead of pursuing your scum reads but I guess all it took was for me to call you out on your bull**** before you felt motivated.

 

[Omni]

:yaw n:

:yawn yawn:

morning sheep

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Gheb, please go back to being irrelevant

or, y'know, step it up considerably

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Let's read JDietz response and catch how many times he's lying through his teeth.

Because literally the only reason to be hardbodying Dabuz (especially at that point of the game) was if you were smoking extra crack or had an ulterior motive to quick lynch him. Your "obvtown" (NH, yourself, Kary, Omni) was literally my scum-list and largely still is. How about backing up some of those "obvtown" claims first before you start preaching.

Kary/Soup/No Hetero kill

Where did Omni come into this now? You're already off to a bad start!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I wanted to isolate that because Jdietz is a horrible scum who couldn't be consistent with his play even if marshy coached him on it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Bold: Because he IS null. He's still done nothing but get yelled at by people who are apparently out of their minds for reasons no one can adequately explain. Especially not you.

Link the question.

Well, If you think he's doing nothing, surely that has to be somewhat telling to you? You think Town just likes sitting on their *** and doing nothing? Even if this statement were true all you're telling me is that you're not keeping with thread, your reads aren't legitimate, and you're lying. What's your basis on Me/Kary/NH/Omni? As far as I know your concerns are with something that happened long ago in the game.

You're still acting like Dabuz has actually DONE something to have an opinion about. The only reason anyone is even talking about him is because Kary decided it was his mission in life to form a vote-conga line on the slot. My opinion here of asking wtf people are talking about is entirely warranted.

Iirc that was pretty much my first bouts of posts in the game, I shortly follow up with Kary on my return as he continues to act strangely despite my leaving of the thread after voting the first time. Which you'll quote below but ignore for some reason.

It's completely warranted and you're not proving me me wrong. Maybe instead of defending yourself you should read the thread because clearly you don't care about it. I find myself laughing at your response because all you are is a deer in headlights right now.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And why wouldn't I pursue answers from the slots I see pushing hard for no discernible reason, many acting like they actually did (and still do) want a lynch on a null?

As for why there aren't solid conclusions written up to the T, maybe you just conveniently skipped the part where I tell everyone I'm summarizing before I hit the sack and will hope to be back after work tomorrow (aka: right now).

As for why I picked who I picked it shouldn't be hard for anyone to understand: Kary is acting crazy, you're acting crazy about Kary, and NH is just plain being crazy. I didn't have time for a play by play, but it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out from my comment:

Because he isn't null! He's done enough to have a read on him already and you are being negligent to it! Why are you even wasting my time posting this if you're not going to even read the thread accurately or still hold to the ideals you back in RVS. Because I don't see you progressing your reads or having any substance behind them, your basis of scumread is on the factor of everyone on Dabuz and you're just telling me he's null. Why the **** does it matter then if people are pursuing Dabuz fypov if he's null? Don't you want him to get pressured so you can read him easier? You really think all of the scum decided to get into a group and say 'hey guys, let's push someone who is null, he's clearly not null at all but Jdietz can't think out of conventional mafia and can't understand intentions yet so he'll just believe he's null based on his content and not his willingness.' Even then, you're still ignoring for what he has posted and holy **** do I repeat myself again here you have no reason to be null on him. Read him. Look at him. Give me a stance. Stop this bull**** and stop clinging onto your reads for dear life. If they really mattered to you would be here pursuing them, not wasting my goddamn time with your poor attempts of excusing your scummy and terrible play.

 

[Jerkus]

Skimmed. Rereading now. Will probably be responding to things in chunks.

Let's read JDietz response and catch how many times he's lying through his teeth.





Where did Omni come into this now? You're already off to a bad start!

So the answer to the question "how many times has Jdietz lied through his teeth?" is "One?" And that "lie" is him saying that a list you gave of obvtownies (a group of four) is the same as a list of his scum reads (a group of three of those four people)?

Who do you think you are trying to reach like that? Inspector Gadget? Besides, this even if you have more to dig up, this is hardly a point worth isolating. He listed three scum picks, and all of them ended up in your list of obvtownies somehow. So he noted it. Stop pointing at nothing and barking at it.

You reek this game, Soup. BSP, I sincerely hope Soup is on your shortlist of execution options. Might actually put him at the top of my bullet-eaters list right now.

EBWOPreview: Oh, you made another post. But it's composed of hot air. Disappointing but expected.

 

[Jerkus]

EBWOActualPost: Legit ninja.

 

[Jerkus]

Oh, still hot air in that one, too.

Moving on then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm currently wondering why Soup flip-flopped his stance on Kary so suddenly (will get around to quoting), as well as why NH is bashing his head against Jerkus (who I feel is on point).

why I felt suspicious of both you and NH. Kary should have been common knowledge ever since what you're about to quote and completely refuse to attempt to understand:

So where does Jerkus get invovled with this because obviously that went across your head. He thought Kary was scum earlier on there and NH actually disagreed at that for the moment being. I changed my stance because I was bluntly skimming and I found it hard to really get into the game, so for one thing I want to thank you for letting me get into this game so I can tear you down.

The thing to understand here is: I still wasn't ok with Kary. For a brief moment I thought maybe if I played it off like I was satisfied with what he had said I could glean some beneficial information from it to see into his intent further, but upon further inspection and the realization the only apparent reason he even wanted my friendship in the first place was for another vote on Dabuz I had to cut that short. Especially after he insta-turned on Deathbear just for not going along with the vote, a slot I thought had been doing just fine. It made no sense as town and still doesn't.

He actually voted Death Bear without an ulterior motive and I clarified on what I disliked about it. The problem I have with this is that you weren't committing to this and just now you're letting me know these things. I don't understand what was keeping you so much to finally post content like this. It's almost like the same case as Dabuz and you get a smack across the face when someone actually starts pursuing your slot.

Soup: Dabuz doesn't even freaking matter in this equation anymore, he never did as far as I can tell, because no one can give me a reason to actually care about him. What I do care about, and have never stopped caring about, is people who start wagons for no reason and stick to them even after RVS is long long gone, asking for recruits and not substantiating why. (especially when they actually start getting some takers)

I find the fact you're claiming my play is Kary-centric hilarious in light of your fixation with him. First you don't care about him, then you hate him, then you claim to hate him yet are... saving him from me by lynching me instead? It doesn't make any sense and just makes me think you've really gone downhill in your scum game. (or off your rocker as town)

Look Soup: if this is the height of your game, to insinuate that me and Kary are partners because I talked some and then left, and that Dabuz still needs to die anyways, then to hope that this case against me makes some sense to anyone then I hate to tell you: but the soup went cold days ago.

So simply put you're strawmanning my own argument and trying to pin Kary to me based on my own mistakes which I admitted to but have gone past them. Okay. Dabuz isn't relevant? This is a bold faced lie and if you were actually concerned with Kary and reading him you would be more than aware why Dabuz is more than enough relevant. Hell, all this day has been about is Dabuz. Are you just not even reading this game anymore? Do you post just because it's fun? Seriously, I can't wrap my head around someone who doesn't have a solid stance on Dabuz by now and I can't wrap my head around someone who's still stuck in RVS.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I really hope that's J posting because I don't expect Circus to ignore that as just hot air.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If that is Circus please tell me what J is thinking trying to say that JDietz has his head screwed on tight. Please tell me what in world of mafia that it's Protown to ignore someone who has been given chase all goddamn day just because he's null from a uninformed perspective. Please tell me how you think I'm full of hot air and where J (or you) have seen Pro town intention on JDietz post. Please tell me what world of mafia players can give away with being inconsistent.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Jerkus, why is it that Soup making a big deal out of something that's obviously nothing, is a scumtell?

and if #1020 is just hot air, is that a scumtell?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The way I see it, first Soup ignored Kary (which I find was difficult), then had a revelation and denounced his obvious scum when the issue looked like it was going to be pushed, then backed off like it wasn't on his priories in favor of Dabuz when it lifted, then back to... I'm not even sure what to call his latest play. There's a major discrepency between his play and the response he gave to me when I asked how I felt about him of:

I never denounced it. I don't like Kary and I haven't even got to the response Kary might or might have made. I'm not going back on Dabuz, Dabuz has always been the top priority of all but then I get players like you who make my blood boil and I can't just help myself when we've got BSP dinking around ignoring half of the player list who just wants Dabuz dead.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I seriously just ****ing want Dabuz gone but no let's make things complicated I'm going to feel like a ****ing **** if he flips town and I wasted my time on all this

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Kary I'm reading your catch up post

 

[Death Bear]

I changed my stance because I was bluntly skimming and I found it hard to really get into the game

Gut : 1
Brain: 0

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Explain why Kary would choose to super-push Dabuz D1, successfully putting himself and his scumbuddy in the spotlight. Realise you're an idiot, and that I'm not buddies with dabuz.
You're apparently scumreading me based on the fact that my position on dabuz wasn't consistent. That's great, except that you're wrong, because it has always been 'needlessly antagonize' someone who I think might reasonably be scum. Sometimes that means constantly repeating a scumread over and over, even when [because I'm town, and don't just know alignments] I can't be sure.

You're implying that you had intention to push Dabuz as more than just pressure in this post. Your intentions based off this and your contradictions already made don't detract from the point that you kept changing it. All you're telling me here is that you weren't truly certain thus antagonizing him was a load of crap. I'd be fine with that if there wasn't a glaring difference between what you were doing and what has happened. Remember Bardull? Yeah, I brought up that point in that post too. What's your read on him now? Same instance there as here? Dabuz scum, right?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

don't understand trying to get reads?
can't follow my posts?
no understanding of how to play a good D1, or my meta?

you've committed the cardinal sin of admitting that you don't understand my play, and then scumreading me because of it. congrats, you got it wrong, GJ

You didn't prove me wrong? I'll sit down and shut up when you give me a reason. Why are you hiding behind your meta because clearly your meta isn't consistent and if I wanted to I could give reasons against you being town on your own meta you're using to defend yourself.

Don't make me get to that point.

 

[No Hetero]

Marshy, do not engage with me again if you're not going to do so substantively.

No promises. Everyone seems to have you as Town for some ******** reason and I can see myself wanting to kill you later in the game.

You yourself admit that Nabe probably doesn't really endorse the way you're representing your slot right now (although he's essentially doing so by not condemning it). If that's true, then let him talk when he gets a chance. I have nothing to say to you because you have brick walls where your ears should be.

Frankly, the fact that Nabe even exists to counter you, and yet has not done so, is another reason your slot bothers me. You may have a track record of making baseless orders and expecting people to just follow them (and hey, some people are!), but I highly doubt townNabe would consider that reasonable play. I want him to really weigh in on this.

Try again. I did all this **** and more in The Wall. What are you even saying with "I highly doubt townNabe would consider that [my hardbodying] reasonable play"? What the ****? No hydra partner is going to come into the thread and say, "Guys, please disregard my other half i would actually do this **** tho"

Nabe doesn't counter me, he complements me, like any good husband does. He isn't known for being inactive scum to say the least, so I find this to be halfassed. Par for the course.

Soup, the J half has only posted once.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

correct; not on my list of people to needlessly antagonize. Only really interested in pushing one slot at a time.

Yeah. No. This isn't how you work as Town and you're making me pull this meta card out on you. You're not two dimensional and you actually have intention and reasoning behind your posts when you're town, here you're flailing your keyboard trying to make a coherent sentence and it comes off as moonspeak or something in another language. Why'd you stop pushing Bardull then? He did something worth not pushing anymore? Dabuz scum, Right?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

blah blah you're an imbecile. we wouldn't be having this conversation if I hadn't taken those actions, congrats, I got a read on you, among others, GG.

"I can't explain what I did so I'm going to deflect the argument and bring out that I got a read out of it despite the fact the intentions of doing it in the first place don't match up with what actually happened. I am the best townie ever."

 

[Jerkus]

It won't be a throwaway on a scum flip.


I asked you about 48 hours ago not to step on my toes in the pursuit of someone I specifically told you was gutscum. I also said I would play ball with you "tomorrow", read that as max 24 hours.

You flipped out at that, about 4 hours later, saying you weren't okay with how marshy was handling dabuz. And in the process, you entirely ignored my request. So, at this point, I can only infer that townYou has a scumread on me and that you want me dead toDay; otherwise you would've let me have 24 hours and would've pursued your other reads.

If I'm off the mark on the above: wouldn't the reasonable option have been to hold off like I asked you to? Or am I really your scumspect in D1?

Now, you seem to be ignoring me entirely, in the same breath as saying I haven't been posting. On the contrary, there are a few posts addressed from me specifically to you. In addition, I endorse every post made by this hydra, even though they're made by another person with a disparate read. So maybe you need to reevaluate your opinion of my play.

I'll have a PBPA for you shortly.

A gutscum read on a player like Dabuz on D1 is the shallowest type of read possible. It is easy for anyone to have that read, because Dabuz plays like this in every game he plays, as any alignment. It is useless to sit on a read like that and do nothing else. I've noticed that you've done your Nabe thing a few times (ask specific questions to certain people and if any of them lead to light), but the main thing your slot has done this game is throw its "vote" on one of the easiest lynch candidates possible and fold his arms. Maybe you've got a master plan brewing in your QT; I don't know. All I can work with is what's in thread. What I know is that Marshy's trying to help push the easiest wagon possible, actively without reason, and you're not doing much to widen the field of vision. I expect more than this, from both of you.

To be clear, no, you're not my D1 scumspect at this point. But painting me as the villain here because I had the audacity to ask Marshy why he wants to lynch the player he's pushing only makes me want to freak out harder. Marshy freaked out on me for asking a completely sideline question, and I responded, and the situation snowballed into what it is now. I didn't just pick your slot out of a hat and decide to antagonize it.

I'm about as not on your toes as I can be about this. Your partner is being belligerent.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hey Jerkus who's scum

 

[Jerkus]

You.

Still reading. And trying to form posts.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

gutscum here

So you are reading JDietz as scum! Enlightening! Let's chat Kary. He's scum with Dabuz, right? right?