Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Mastermind]

Because he's my number one scum read at the moment. Bardull has redeeming features that set him above the rest of my lynch pool at the moment. Kary is a town read. Dabuz I want gone for being hyper defensive, but I don't want him gone as much as crowd pleaser Hando.

What do you think about his latest outburst?

Also, talking to EE when he finishes doing dishes before I finish the thread.

 

[Dabuz]

what like u think Gheb is sure you're not scum cuz he's scum

LOL. I can't really explain why but his responses seemed fake, like he was arguing for the sake of arguing? [/COLO]

 

[Dabuz]

EBWOP: I didn't see DBs post before making this one. Will do that now.

 

[Mastermind]

dabuz, i want you to solidly commit and tell me that gheb is either white-knighting you as scum for town cred or is town who is so sold on Omni / NH scum that he believes anyone they push to be innocent

Really dislike this ultimatum that pidgeon-holes the response into calling Gheb dumb or scum.

 

[Death Bear]

Omni, i've bee dancing with your slot for a while , i want you to give me your read on me. So far i haven't really seen you make a solid comment on me besides to point out how i've pushed you. If i missed it, then could you quote it for me ?

 

[Death Bear]

it's not pidgeon holing anything , dabuz can simply say gheb is being dumb town due to being what apears to be sold on NH / Omni.

It shouldn't be hard for dabuz to make a solid stance, as gheb has had enough posts for people to have a read on him one way or another

 

[Death Bear]

Ryker, i want to like you, but we both know that i love arbitrary rules moreso, tell me why dabuz shouldn't be able to say one or the other ?

Why should i be satisfied with one of the most highly suspected players in this game to this point saying : i can't pin down x player who's been defending me , despite the fact i'm bringing it up." ?

 

[Mastermind]

it's not pidgeon holing anything , dabuz can simply say gheb is being dumb town due to being what apears to be sold on NH / Omni.

It shouldn't be hard for dabuz to make a solid stance, as gheb has had enough posts for people to have a read on him one way or another

No, the point is, regardless of the answer, you're making a sidelong jab at Gheb. Your post doesn't even look like it's about getting a stance from Dabuz at all.

 

[Death Bear]

Well all i want is a stance.

 

[Mastermind]

Well all i want is a stance.

Then why are you going ahead and telling him not to like Gheb?

 

[Death Bear]

where did i say he couldn't like him ?

dabuz can like gheb for being dumb, he can like him for whatever, or he can dislike him for whatever.

By the way , do you agree with how gheb has been defending dabuz and do you agree / disagree with me on the disney vibes that i talked about before ?

 

[Mastermind]

I don't know Disney.

Right now, the only players I have down as defending Dabuz are Ditz and Jerkus. Ditz is the only one I have severe issue with it for though. I know Gheb does it at some point, but I haven't seen where.

Are you seriously telling me you don't see how your question was loaded?

 

[Death Bear]

I didn't mean for it to be loaded , but if you read it that way then there's nothing i can do about it.

I'll go grab what i mentioned about disney for you(being disney mafia , where you / swiss brought back radfiction)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rake, I'm at work, Ryker is right here. I just don't want a Dabuz lynch.

 

[Death Bear]

Rake, I'm at work, Ryker is right here. I just don't want a Dabuz lynch.

Rake, I'm at work, Ryker is right here. I just don't want a Dabuz lynch.



And alright

 

[Mastermind]

I didn't mean for it to be loaded , but if you read it that way then there's nothing i can do about it.

I'll go grab what i mentioned about disney for you(being disney mafia , where you / swiss brought back radfiction)

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

That game I died night one in.

 

[Death Bear]

Ryker, in your 770 the quote you had is right around the area where gheb starts defending Dabuz moreso as i recall

 

[Death Bear]

Bottom of page 7, want Hando, Dabuz, and Bardull gone. In that order.

Bottom of page 12. Gone for now.

Hando->Dabuz->Ditz->Bardull

Don't shoot Soup.

Shoot NH if he's wrong twice.

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

That game I died night one in.

What happened after page 12 that swapped your opinion on dabuz
(I remember you mentioning this earlier ?

And lol, i just kinda assume everyone does what i do and follows a game even after they die.

 

[Mastermind]

Swapped my opinion? He's still right there in both quotes. Right now, I'm currently evaluating if he's worth saving to get Hando lynched.

Talking to EE about various things right now.

 

[Death Bear]

K.



I'm picking up wants to look good scum vibes. I think town Bardull is incredibly needy without a gun and I haven't seen that aside from pregame before roles were out. I see Bardull as the clumsy type, regardless. I don't think he's very good at pushing regardless of alignment, but he constantly wants the attention.



Link it. I don't know what you're talking about. My opinion changed based on recent

#HBC
#shoot him
#pain in the ***

posts. Prior to that, I thought he was fine unless you are talking about after page 12.

i meant this post and i totally mis-read it so that question was pointless.

 

[Death Bear]

Ryker, when you get back tell me why Hando has priority over soupScum for you, other than that i'm done till dabuz gets his response up

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why do people keep acting as if I ever mentioned dabuz to be a town read of mine? I'm attacking scummy people who are on his wagon and fail to show how he's scummy. Hell, Omni ****ing openly admits to not actually care whether he's scum at all. Hello? HOW MUCH SCUMMIER, HOW MUCH MORE ANTI-TOWN DOES ONE HAVE TO PLAY UNTIL PEOPLE START GIVING HIM MAJOR FLAK FOR THIS GARBAGE? Just because I attack him [and marshy] for it does not mean anything close to me having a town-read on dabuz. My read on him is null and everybody who does not have a null-read on dabuz HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.

Soup are you done being a tool yet

 

[No Hetero]

scumteam is lookin like dabuz/soup/bardull with a little Jerk as a safety net in there for good measure. more later. for now you get my shtick

I'd love to see more nabe though.

Who wouldn't ;-D?

 

[No Hetero]

man **** ruy and his cockblocking whiteknight comboing ways **** you ruy

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[...], non clarified reads, and no intent to post anything of merit (see: his filler in the beginning of the day) that on top of me thinking he's scum with Omni considering the glaring contradictions towards another I think we pretty much have Game/Set/Match but you keep thinking you need to be above everyone else for some reason

See Soup, I can do exactly the same thing with my point of view @Omni and marshy. You know what the problem is? You're not actually clarifying *anything*. And if you think dabuz reaction poorly to pressure is anything unusual - let alone scummy - then you're not looking for scum but just try your hardest to make dabuz look scummy no matter what.

 

[No Hetero]

I've made at least half the posts. Can't please some people.

 

[No Hetero]

Gheb, talk about Omni with me after a dabuz flip, 'kay?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What do you actually think of Dabuz? Unsure doesn't tell me anything. Why are you unsure?

I'm unsure because not a lot of vibes are coming from dabuz himself but mainly from all the people talking about him as if his play was anything worth mentioning [positive or negative]. If you look at dabuz' posts themselves and at the connections you get from *his* - and only his - posts then I can only wonder why there are such untypically amounts of talk about him. There's virtually nothing to be found within his posts that tells me anything worth thinking about. It's all the noise around him, I think it's a complete waste of time to continue the Day like this.

My read on him is null, I can not understand how anybody can have any other read on him than null and I have heard zero explanation on why he is anything other than null. But yeah, Omni and NH caressing each others penisses and soup apparently wanting to join in makes it look like there's something about dabuz and likely keeps town on the wrong track for I don't know how long.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, talk about Omni with me after a dabuz flip, 'kay?

No, you talk to me about Omni before anybody is lynched. The sooner the better.

 

[No Hetero]

Omni and NH caressing each others penisses

Hey, Omni. I never noticed how handsome you looked, silhouetted in the starry light of the space lounge...

 

[No Hetero]

No, you talk to me about Omni before anybody is lynched. The sooner the better.

He has gorgeous eyes.

And those thighs~

 

[Omni]

Omni, i've bee dancing with your slot for a while , i want you to give me your read on me. So far i haven't really seen you make a solid comment on me besides to point out how i've pushed you. If i missed it, then could you quote it for me ?

u can live today

Why do people keep acting as if I ever mentioned dabuz to be a town read of mine? I'm attacking scummy people who are on his wagon and fail to show how he's scummy. Hell, Omni ****ing openly admits to not actually care whether he's scum at all. Hello? HOW MUCH SCUMMIER, HOW MUCH MORE ANTI-TOWN DOES ONE HAVE TO PLAY UNTIL PEOPLE START GIVING HIM MAJOR FLAK FOR THIS GARBAGE? Just because I attack him [and marshy] for it does not mean anything close to me having a town-read on dabuz. My read on him is null and everybody who does not have a null-read on dabuz HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO.

Soup are you done being a tool yet

stop crying because you can't get your way. which one makes you more upset? my ideals or the fact that most people don't have a problem with them?

 

[BSP]

This isn't an attack. You've read out of context. It's a post to Gheb, talking about frustration over Gheb taking Jerkus seriously.

That...looked like an attack to me.

What did you think when I asked you last night to ask your question again later? Did it affect how you approached the issue?

I guess? I decided you were just going to not be helpful and ignore the question.

Ryu isn't sold on the slip which BSP pointed out and i'll admit that slips happen regardless of alignment , but i will add that the way in which kary slipped instantly made me think necromafiaKary.

I'd really like kary to get in here and explain it fully though.

I know, but I can't just overlook the small mistakes. That's basically the extent of his D1 play as well, this back and forth on Dabuz.

See Soup, I can do exactly the same thing with my point of view @Omni and marshy. You know what the problem is? You're not actually clarifying *anything*. And if you think dabuz reaction poorly to pressure is anything unusual - let alone scummy - then you're not looking for scum but just try your hardest to make dabuz look scummy no matter what.

Trying to save himself

I still stand by my earlier opinion that you don't need to see Dabuz's flip to legitimately look at the people who are on his wagon right now.

 

[Dabuz]

Think I figured out what felt off and fake to me. It feels like Gheb hasn't been in the game much. Around page 10 (40PPP) he brings up a dislike for NH and Omni because the way they approach lynching me, but he doesn't like my play, fair enough. Now to what I actually get from the recent argument between Gheb vs. Omni and NH

Why not lynch him? Don't wanna see your scumbuddy go on Day 1 or what?

This is a really ugly assumption IMO. It's still Day 1 and Gheb also has not made a strong connection between the two. I don't believe he brought it up in this series of posts, but his connection was something to do with the fact that they both want me lynched. It's kinda like Gheb has reasons to think they are btoh scum and decides to group them together.

What info do we get from lynching dabuz? If he's town we now that 75% of the town were being ******** and the other 25% get to learn nothing from it. We'd be back to zero and get to watch marshy doing to same garbage he's pulling off toDay with somebody else.

Let's push Marshy and Omni, already.

Here he's trying to ignore what we would get out of my town flip. I would expect an experienced player to think this response through more instead of refuting the possibility of information just to attack Omni and NH.

@BSP

Do you consider Omni and NH potential lynch candidates for toDay? If not you really should start doing so. Read my interactions with them [there are plenty] and tell me you're OK with them gone.

How do I put this? Gheb's kinda being childish here, it's like he is trying to get positive reinforcement from BSP in the response of: "Yes Gheb, you're right about them I should get rid of one."

Omni you are not even close to get buddied by marshy. Nor are you considered scum by a lot of people either so there's no need for a bus here. Rather than trying to ridicule my person for making a point you can't seem to deal with you should try to actually take it serious and be cooperative - one of the main points of your town-self ... which I really doubt you are right now.

I personally dislike meta as an argument unless it's from the current game, since it normally gets conversation nowhere.

"You like to do this as town, why aren't you doing this? Must be scum."

"No I don't. That was only one game."

"Yes you do, let me bring up other games."

"You're wrong about those other games."

ECT.

See what I'm getting at?

3.) What he has left us to work with are his interactions with Jerkus and myself. Neither slot has seen a lot of spotlight so far because people are being idiots about Kary's, Death Bear's idiosyncracy and dabuz' incompetence - that's the kind of stuff we don't wanna see even more about than we already do. Especially you, in your position as King - and as an assumed townie - could give us a lot of insight here because while I disagree with that approach, a lot of people are looking up to your decision. A lynch against Marshy would make it clear where you stand, that you are a king strong enough to take responsibility and not just BSing around.

Lynching Omni though can only be a gain right now. Either decision is fine.

You ever see those cartoon movies where there's a king who is made out to be the good guy, then there's his adviser who basically coerces (I used the right word I think) the king what to do because the adviser has a secret motivation? Yeah, that's that vibe Gheb is giving me here.

Terrible, disgusting paragraph.

You need to be murdered in the most painful way imagineable.

Attack on Omni here, no explanation.

The saddest part is that Death Bear doesn't seem to realize that most of my posts contained legitimate points vs Marshy.

Omni isn't playing this game serious, end of story. He only shows pathetic excuses to not actually hunt scum. Kill him before he gets this town killed.

Looking at his posts here, I can't FIND specific points Gheb is talking about making here. He is going really hard for blanket statements. The fact that, reading this whole argument, Gheb doesn't even bring up reasons for his reads, proof of what he states, ect. just looks horrible. I want to see -why- Gheb says what he says, not just an attack on player slots with blanket statements.

I have proven NH guilty though.

Attack on NH with substance from previous parts of this argument.

Death Bear, you of all the people should understand my issues with marshy though. I mean, you *do* agree with me that Omni is a rather good lynch toDay, do you? If so, you don't find anything strange about how marshy tries to completely choke my points against Omni despite him agreeing that earlier Omni made bothersome points? I don't know what's there not to understand, marshy is clearly guilty of behavior that is more than just inconsistent, hiding behind his usually so-scummy-that-nobody-can-tell cover.

Here when directing DB specifically, Gheb is asking loaded questions, trying to put DB in an awkward position no matter how he answers.

Omni, how come all the points you make are exclusively about defending yourself? When it comes to pushes you sheep marshy, provide N-O-T-H-I-N-G that has any sort of value but as soon as people push you for it you demand cases? I think that BS from you is case enough to deserve you a lynch.

Evideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeence.

Dabuz needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Omni needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
No Hetero needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Kary needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Death Bear needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Soup needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Mastermind needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Gheb needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.

See Omni, I can play that game too. And I don't need to justify myself because I don't need to justify myself and if you call me out for it I will throw you into the "you-are-dumb-or-scum" drawer just like everybody else.

I don't even think Gheb knows what's going on when I read this. It really looks like poorly thought out to me.

Fwiw I think everybody on the dabuz wagon owes an explanaton. As I have pointed out earlier though, I don't like marshy's interpretation of Jerkus' and Omni's play either. And before you weigh in on that I have to ask you to read it first because I know both of your heads tend to skip that part at times.

This is fair enough, except I think the only person without an explanation who is on my wagon happens to be NH. Maybe Soup but for some reason I can't remember atm >_>

"You are wrong because what you say isn't true and what you say is garbage".

I can truly not keep up with this level of argumentation.

Just more attacking from Gheb.

> play awful
> call out other people for playing awfully

Glad we're all on the same page.

More attacking.

"Hi am marshy I do whatever I want and if you have issues with it you are terrible, dumb, stubborn, unreasonable and all at once no matter how ********, illogical, scummy and unbearable I am playing. Why? Because I am marshy and I do whatever I want and if you have issues with it you are terrible, dumb, stubborn, unreasonable and all at once no matter how ********, illogical, scummy and unbearable I am playing. Why? Because I am marshy and I do ..."

Bah, more baseless attacking.



After reading and figuring out where I got the vibe from, I really dislike Gheb's play. He could be transparent scum. He could just be playing dumb. Either way, it looks like to me Gheb really just wanted to attack Omni and NH here. The slot needs more attention.

Just for the record, this is not a defense of either NH or Omni. I still think NH is scum AND HE STILL HAS NOT EXPLAINED HIS SCUM READ ON ME.

 

[Omni]

Hey, Omni. I never noticed how handsome you looked, silhouetted in the starry light of the space lounge...

He has gorgeous eyes.

And those thighs~

 

[Jdietz43]

Soup: I'm reading the thread right now and rofl'ing hard at your "callout", I'll respond shortly, but needless to say you need to learn how to read.

PS: I'd give any money Soup and Kary are scumbuddies, you don't flip from not noticing anything wrong with Kary's play, to saying it's suspicious when it starts looking like Kary might be the play, back to chainsaw defense mode when Dabuz is back in session for no reason.

 

[BSP]

all this extra talk is stupid.

bsp, are u going to lynch your scummate or no

Why is Dabuz my scummate?

 

[Omni]

Why is Dabuz my scummate?

it was a joke, sweetheart.

 

[Omni]

inb4 gheb runs in screaming and pointing, "SEE OMG OMNI IS JOKING. DEFINITELY SCUM RIGHT THURRR. DOES NOTHING ALL GAME"

 

[Death Bear]

where has this dabuz been all game ?