Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

[Mastermind]

Good question, and I've come to a decision.

Mastermind's getting executed. IDK when yet, but I guess it'll be when I feel like ending the day. There is absolutely no way I can handle this pressure as king, and I don't want to **** it up. So to avoid this, I put all the player names on paper, put them into a cup, and pulled one out at random, and that'd be my target for today.

You guys are right, I should just do want I want. I hope no one has any problems with this.

Kary, my Dark Ophelia, will still leave your world in ashes.

 

[Mastermind]

If you execute Mastermind I will do everything my power to get you executed tommorow. What a terrible call. I don't like you coming into this thread and not trying to exert your position rather than cowering and saying 'I can't handle this pressure.' So help me god if you seriously mean you're going to execute on random too.

Gross reaction.

 

[Mastermind]

hmm, well this seems a bit defensive. anyhow.

I have described above how one of your opening posts could be construed as fishing for info/fence-sitting/ trying to seem helpful; this combined with your lack of content elsewhere suggests you could be scum.

 

[Mastermind]

Omni town

10townreads

What the **** is this ****?

 

[Mastermind]

soup: wrt : coddling :

not sure how much mafia Omni has played, but really i don't see him walking into a mafia QT and going :

alright guys gonna come out and say that one of soup / Death bear is scum lol watch me go at it sideways with logic based on answering technical mafia questions.

and his scum team then going : alright ko koo kajoo.

if i scum on his i'd be all: dunna do that or we'll bus you straight to the execution point

that's not to say they couldn't warn him not to and him proceed to anyway , but thats delving far too far into wifom for me.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Mastermind]

**** reading JDitz. Defending Dabuz looks grimy in light of either flip.

Ditz, read on Hando, read on Bardull.

 

[BSP]

Hando, I see you viewing

You said that a flip on Dabuz would provide just as much information as a flip from Kary. Explain this. What do you learn from Dabuz's flip that you don't know right now?

 

[Mastermind]

i dont see why i would. that just gives scum ammo to refute ther death and room for people to whiteknight them and gorf knows theres more than enough of that nonsense present

I hate you. You could have this lynch like you could've had Raz if you weren't a lazy prick.

 

[Death Bear]

it's wifom.

lots and lots of wifom

 

[Mastermind]

I'm really split @executing dabuz. Reading through both sides of the argument [Kary pro-lynch, Jerkus anti-lynch] it seems like both have their merit making it hard to get an idea about how to read Kary and Jerkus in that context. Jerkus' attack against Kary doesn't look like he's chainsaw-defending dabuz to me - it just looks like an honest attempt to pin down the scumKary he's seeing right now. I know that because I've used a similar line of thought as town many times in the past with J and I having a history of influencing each other's plays [Circus kinda too I guess]. Thus far I am OK with how Jerkus are handling this. Then again, Kary tends to appear to me as a rather goofy, if not downright silly player at times so I wouldn't be surprised if he's just tapping in the dark right now. Regardless, I think atm Kary is definitely a better play than Jerkus although me being unsure about dabuz himself [and generally not being a fan of lynching people for 'information'] I still can't get a good idea just on how much that means.

I will say though that I like neither Omni nor marshy so far in this game.

What do you actually think of Dabuz? Unsure doesn't tell me anything. Why are you unsure?

 

[Handorin]

Hando, I see you viewing

You said that a flip on Dabuz would provide just as much information as a flip from Kary. Explain this. What do you learn from Dabuz's flip that you don't know right now?

The more probable alignment of attackers/defenders

 

[BSP]

Again, I don't see how you can't make significant insight into that right now. Look at both sides of the Dabuz lynch, and see how they're going about it.

 

[Handorin]

I can right now. Doesn't mean the flip won't increase the insight.

 

[Mastermind]

dabuz or soup today. anyone else and i'll cry everytim

You'd really cry at Hando, Bardull, or Ditz?

 

[Mastermind]

Bottom of page 12. Gone for now.

Hando->Dabuz->Ditz->Bardull

Don't shoot Soup.

Shoot NH if he's wrong twice.

 

[BSP]

**** not shooting Soup

 

[No Hetero]

Again, I don't see how you can't make significant insight into that right now. Look at both sides of the Dabuz lynch, and see how they're going about it.

What these cats are saying is that with dabuz's alignment as a known factor, we can more objectively look at players' intents surrounding their interactions with him.


@Ryker, scoping out your question now, cheers for not trying to step on my toes despite playstyle clashing.

 

[BSP]

That's great and all, but my point still stands as well.

 

[Omni]

Don't shoot Soup.

**** not shooting Soup

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You'd really cry at Hando, Bardull, or Ditz?

hando/ditz, nah. lurker duo, but for some reason i thought hando had a legit reason for lurking.

bardull, yes. all im picking is tryhard townie vibes. i made this point before, but do u see Bardull as the type to clumsily push early d1 as scum?

also @ mastermind: what do u think of Soup's reasoning to vote Dabuz for scummy purposes? do you think there was merit in that accusation that early into the game?

 

[Omni]

i like mastermind's analysis thingy. let him finish before shooting Dabuz

 

[BarDulL]

Omni, you're basically saying "I don't want to commit to a route based on the Dabuz lynch." You realize that's kinda dumb, right? What's your problem with committing to a given route based on day 1 play after a Dabuz flip? This kind of information is useful to Town. Variable change is a real thing though, so if you end up switching roads, you're going to have to explain yourself, but it's not like the end of the world if someone dies N1 and then you start suspecting someone else, but you better have a good reason for it.

The short of it: people committing to where they'd go after a Dabuz flip isn't anti-town and is actually a smart thing for the people gunning for Dabuz to do.

 

[BarDulL]

Also, I'm still V/LA because of classes.

 

[BarDulL]

Wow, I got ninja'd hardcore. Guess that's what I get for leaving my browser open, then posting. Lol.

 

[No Hetero]

Dabuz is not an asset to this town.

But letting him get ****ed out of here on virtually no basis because Marshy holds intrinsic sway in Dgames and he shouted about it long enough is specifically detrimental if Dabuz is town. We can't let that be how we decide executions in this game, or scum's going to run us over. The Day 1 lynch doesn't have to be a throwaway.

It won't be a throwaway on a scum flip.


I asked you about 48 hours ago not to step on my toes in the pursuit of someone I specifically told you was gutscum. I also said I would play ball with you "tomorrow", read that as max 24 hours.

You flipped out at that, about 4 hours later, saying you weren't okay with how marshy was handling dabuz. And in the process, you entirely ignored my request. So, at this point, I can only infer that townYou has a scumread on me and that you want me dead toDay; otherwise you would've let me have 24 hours and would've pursued your other reads.

If I'm off the mark on the above: wouldn't the reasonable option have been to hold off like I asked you to? Or am I really your scumspect in D1?

Now, you seem to be ignoring me entirely, in the same breath as saying I haven't been posting. On the contrary, there are a few posts addressed from me specifically to you. In addition, I endorse every post made by this hydra, even though they're made by another person with a disparate read. So maybe you need to reevaluate your opinion of my play.

I'll have a PBPA for you shortly.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Pain in the ***.

 

[No Hetero]

That's great and all, but my point still stands as well.

What did you think when I asked you last night to ask your question again later? Did it affect how you approached the issue?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So should I read all this or is it just useless bickering

 

[Omni]

if u ignore the me/marshy/gheb parts, u should be fine. stop being lazy broski

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm gonna read it, I'm just finding myself exausted that people could post this much about nothing when we could be doing something productive like lynching Dabuz.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Would be fine seeing a Kary/Soup/No Hetero kill, I feel they're the most suspicious atm.

Still don't really see merit in a a Dabuz kill past what Omni stipulates in his "scummy players are dead weight" theory.

lmao JDietz is scum with Kary hahahah

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't even understand JDietz' reasoning to be so against Dabuz, his reasoning is simply "I don't see it" and it's a load of bull**** because half of this day you've got obvtown hardbodying Dabuz' scum *** into the ground and the other bickering about useless ****.

Lot of profanity in that, did I make my point clear? Why are you asking me about Kary if you're leaning on him right now? Where does it come from? You out three reads that literally have no substantiation and nothing that points towards you leaning towards that logic. You need to be more willing to explain things.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What info do we get from lynching dabuz? If he's town we now that 75% of the town were being ******** and the other 25% get to learn nothing from it. We'd be back to zero and get to watch marshy doing to same garbage he's pulling off toDay with somebody else.

We get scum and even if he isn't scum Kary becomes more transparent with his contradicting statements towards Dabuz already pointed out by a plethora of people. Why are you being stubborn? A Dabuz lynch is turning into the only thing I would consider, even past Kary. I would settle for Kary still if I had to, however.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb obv town from interaction with Omni, just being

Literally all of this is garbage

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Someone seriously give me a reason to not lynch Dabuz here, give me one defining piece that we should look elsewhere but I don't think I can be convinced

Where's my gun when I need it

 

[No Hetero]

NH, read on Hando.

Null. I don't have much experience with Hando, and what I have isn't a good primer, since he was a jester in The Wall. When he died and started playing pro-town, he was so absent that he missed an opportunity to win the game for town. ToMorrow will be a better time to put an eye to him.

Speaking of the Wall, your role was pretty pro-town despite the indy label. Did being indy affect your scumreads in that game? I guess I'm asking if your public opinion was different than your private opinion.

Your other scumreads are very worth pursuing IMO.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Fwiw I think everybody on the dabuz wagon owes an explanaton. As I have pointed out earlier though, I don't like marshy's interpretation of Jerkus' and Omni's play either. And before you weigh in on that I have to ask you to read it first because I know both of your heads tend to skip that part at times.

Terrible reactions to the wagons, non clarified reads, and no intent to post anything of merit (see: his filler in the beginning of the day) that on top of me thinking he's scum with Kary considering the glaring contradictions towards another I think we pretty much have Game/Set/Match but you keep thinking you need to be above everyone else for some reason

How about you give a reason for why you think Dabuz is town

 

[No Hetero]

Addendum to Handoread, the posts he has made so far are all mysteriously phrased, bit of an air of theatre, but I suspect that's a Hando-tell.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb, B-dull and Jditzy are the only ones making any sense in here. Anyone who thinks any of those slots are scum right now isn't using their head (or is scum).

Soup, stop sheeping all the hunky power players; watching you flip onto Kary when it starts to look like it's what you should be doing and then start **** riding Marshy and trying to HBC Dabuz for no reason is making me queasy. I know you're better than this (if you're town).

This is a J post. How the **** is Bardull the one with his head straight and Gheb is a loon right now. JDietz hasn't even done anything. How are they the ones with their head straight? I'm serious about an answer to that because if you asked me JDietz is out of whack this game and can't even bother to keep up with the game, his attitude towards Dabuz is crap because even if he were against it I would be fine with it until that he has explictly stated that he just think he's null more than anything. I think I remember JDietz leaving a question to someone (I believe Kary or Dabuz) which he didn't even follow up on. Apparently that's sanity now? Are you serious about Bardull? Basically the same thing with JDietz only if you added in a unjustified attitude and unwillingness to listen to others because he sets his own standards so high he just scoffs at the idea of someone not having the same read as him.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm gonna go find it just because I piqued my own interest.

 

[Mastermind]

Nvm, Soup can go. Put him behind Bardull.

@NH - I'm trying not to clash with you because I don't feel like you're playing to undermine my slot and push lynches that shouldn't be pushed. I don't feel like you're playing in a way that makes me think you're trying to remain unaccountable. I do think you're an *** and three sentences could keep you from unnecessarily doing battle with Jerkus. I do think you're pushing Dabuz because you think he's scum and not because you just want him dead.

Speaking of the Wall, your role was pretty pro-town despite the indy label. Did being indy affect your scumreads in that game? I guess I'm asking if your public opinion was different than your private opinion.

Slightly in a very few places. Day 1 was played almost completely to get us to Day 2. We didn't push hard even though our pushes, sans you who we would've started pushing at sooner if we didn't want to get through with no votes. We were originally just going to leave you alone as a scum read, but decided to go for it because we were just being held at arm's reach and were being set up to get lynched rather than night killed. Past early day two, it was legit reads except for leaving JTB off of lurker lists.