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Mass Effect (King Maker) - Glorious Way to End the Day. Mafia Wins!

Death Bear

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hey marshy is gheb being silly town or is he scum ? because right now i really dislike his last post in it's entirety purely based off that innocent until proven guilty BS.

I find myself at a crossroads because what he's doing now is reminding me slightly of his Disney mafia play
 

Handorin

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What info do we get from lynching dabuz? If he's town we now that 75% of the town were being ******** and the other 25% get to learn nothing from it. We'd be back to zero and get to watch marshy doing to same garbage he's pulling off toDay with somebody else.

Let's push Marshy and Omni, already.

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We'd see if the vibes and junk of the nonsheep were actually right or if they were just blowing hot air to get someone lynched cause scum loves mislynches.

Like marshy already said, he would calm down once dabuz is dead and he won't rage about death anymore. I believe sooner rather than lately he'll find someone else though and it'll start all over again. I don't think it's particularly telling even if I don't agree with his stances. I'd love to see more nabe though.

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Omni

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@hando: sry if i've overlooked you, but are you not in favor of a dabuz lynch toDay? if so, why not and and who?

i'm the only one running this herd
 

Handorin

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Man, this is almost as bad as when I had to spend most of a dayphase playing tug of war and fighting off OS and KevinM/Ryker for being wrong about everything in Paper Mario 64 and The Wall respectively. *****s and their terrible lynches and cockblocking good plays by use of ****ty and tiresome arguments that look impressive only a shallow level these days man.
Sup, ninja man.

Granted Kevin/ryker were Indy in the wall. Scum usually resorts to shallow crap unless the townie is extremely bad. I think most of us are at least somewhat confident. His shallowness is probably telling. Either that or he's playing badly simply cause he has no other avenues, he doesn't like the play but can't change it. I'll try and look into it more when I can.

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@hando: sry if i've overlooked you, but are you not in favor of a dabuz lynch toDay? if so, why not and and who?

i'm the only one running this herd
I wasn't an advocate of it before, or at least the base reasons for it. I never understood the case for it, and one of the points that repeatedly comes up is that he's a bad player or a bad player to have end game. I haven't played with him before so I don't know that. I think at this point though he'd be a somewhat decent target because it would help with reads on other people regardless of flip.

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Death Bear

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hey marshy is gheb being silly town or is he scum ? because right now i really dislike his last post in it's entirety purely based off that innocent until proven guilty BS.

I find myself at a crossroads because what he's doing now is reminding me slightly of his Disney mafia play
Relevance: Gheb whitenighted townSwords all day from being Ml'D D1 and picked T-Block from the wagon of scumSwords believers and proceeded to tunnel and / or chase down TB while still attempting to "work with" TB as i recall. He tried to call people sheep / blind for not noticing all the scummy things TB did as a part of that wagon and then turned around and asked scum reads of his to hop on board with a TB lynch. (the point here being his interactions didn't match what he was posting , i.e : he had a scum read on J but one page later was asking J to hop on board the TB wagon, or he accused me of sheeping / being blind to town swords but then invited me to sheep his TB wagon) (much like this innocent until proven guilty quip; he says innocent until proven guilty and yet has shown no such attitude that i can manage to locate during his Omni/NH stuff )
 

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gheb how can you say innocent until proven guilty and then turn around and swing your hard on for NH's head like it's not a enormous double standard
Don't even try to talk to me before you read everything thanks.

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gheb how can you say innocent until proven guilty and then turn around and swing your hard on for NH's head like it's not a enormous double standard
Why don't you pull something up that shows how No Hetero has been helping this town, or show that he's "innocent".
 

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The saddest part is that Death Bear doesn't seem to realize that most of my posts contained legitimate points vs Marshy.

Omni isn't playing this game serious, end of story. He only shows pathetic excuses to not actually hunt scum. Kill him before he gets this town killed.

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Wait a second

Death Bear, by calling that a double standard, you're saying that No Hetero is innocent. Why do you believe No Hetero is innocent? You're gonna have to pull up something supporting that.
 

No Hetero

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So ghebs ignoring of my points in favor of unfunny image macros and more catering to BSP doesn't surprise me.
 

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that wasn't my theory at all.

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Really?

Oh, we haven't played Mafia together before. Hi, I'm Omni. I'm more than willing to lynch a player if I think they're treading the dumb/scum line D1 (sometimes D2) because if you're town scum will just keep you alive and kill off someone more helpful. If you're scum, then we lynch scum. It's a win-win.

Regardless, I have a feeling that I'm not going to get much out of you. You don't seem to be putting a lot of thought behind your words. Even when introduced to logical reasoning, you still do not understand the concept of reliablity and what we lose if the King is not held accountable.
dabuz is just the perfect death bait. i dont want him alive around end game. he's a liability and shows no signs of improving. stop point read wise? he hasn't given me anything to read. flimsy logic. shows no real desire to find scum. so he's just either dumb/scum.
Jdietz was correct. Or am I missing something?
 

Death Bear

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No, by calling it a double standard i'm saying you can't go:

x player is innocent until proven guilty, but for this other player i have a scum read on i'm not going to ignore that same logic.
 

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1.) Not explicitly stated != arbitrary.
Nobody can tell the difference as long as you don't state it explicitly. As long as it doesn't happen [and there's really no reason for it not to happen] it's the same thing.

2a.) Nope, you have my hate of dabuz. That alone is of use knowing that it's coming from a 100% protown player who isn't manipulating town.
The reads of a townie who just posts "WHY IS THIS DAY STILL ON EXECUTE DABUZ!!!!11oneoneone" are entirely worthless. Just because you might flip you think we are to assume that your reads are spot-on? Give us a reason to believe you first because being town =/= being right. Right now you're looking like you're neither.

2b.) Gheb, you JUST SAID "innocent until proven guilty" and then come in here and say "why would we assume No Hetero to be town in the first place?" are you serious dude? Instead of destroying this point and thus everything afterwards due to it being based on it, I'm just going to let your own continued hypocrisy do it for me.
There's no hypocrisy in it and you of all people should understand that. Somebody asks me to show how dabuz isn't scum which in itself is already contradictory because proving something to not be the case is nearly impossible. I don't have to do that though to prove that he is not scum because by default we do not assume him to be unless he does something that implies as much [which nobody pointed out and unless you're scumbuds with Omni you have no reason to accept his BS, especially since you pointed out earlier that there's stuff that bothers you about him]. So yes, dabuz is innocent until somebody proves him guilty, which hasn't happened.

You've completely took the statment I made about out of context and intentionally so. My point was not that by default I have no reason to accept you as town - my point is that given the way you play you're not giving us a reason to consider you town.

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I've read the last two or three pages after getting back from this weekend and I don't think you get how this hydra works. I (Ryker) am the man you'll get for 90% of the game. That's how I've gotten EE to play. He is going to do the things he enjoys doing, which is mapping out the game and sliding the pieces into place. I am the one who is going to deal with the people here and get him those pieces if they want it. I haven't dived into the game because I have yet to talk to him, but I'm doing it now.

As a side, I hate dealing with NH.
 

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No, by calling it a double standard i'm saying you can't go:

x player is innocent until proven guilty, but for this other player i have a scum read on i'm not going to ignore that same logic.
I have proven NH guilty though.

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Death Bear

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No you haven't gheb, you've made a semi reasonable case and have yourself turned into marshy by going solely after his lynch.
 

Omni

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Omni isn't playing this game serious, end of story. He only shows pathetic excuses to not actually hunt scum. Kill him before he gets this town killed.
So I tell you to create an argument as to why you believe I'm scummy. I tell you to establish a case. Ya' know, things that people do to support their reasoning. And instead you continue to throw broken, half-*** statements with no supporting evidence. You're not even suggesting that I'm scummy, or are you? What's clear is you don't like how light-hearted I'm being about that game, and unfortunately for you that isn't anywhere near enough to condemn a person to death.

You don't have anything. You've already ignored Marshy's post. You've ignored logical reasoning that points that support having a voting system. And you're insistent on just repeating the same things over and over without actually making the effort to explain it with proper reasoning.

At this point, you are literally a dead slot to me. Your opinions have zero merit because your inability to process simple and/or discrete Mafia basics has taken a whole new level of low. I literally cannot imagine you flipping town and holding on to these same ideals. And my only guess is that you're gambiting on purpose for the sake of pissing me/Marshy off. That is my only redeeming hope for you.
 

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Death Bear, you of all the people should understand my issues with marshy though. I mean, you *do* agree with me that Omni is a rather good lynch toDay, do you? If so, you don't find anything strange about how marshy tries to completely choke my points against Omni despite him agreeing that earlier Omni made bothersome points? I don't know what's there not to understand, marshy is clearly guilty of behavior that is more than just inconsistent, hiding behind his usually so-scummy-that-nobody-can-tell cover.

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Omni

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Really? Jdietz was correct. Or am I missing something?
You're missing my early game interrogation of Dabuz and the main underlying factor why I wanted to started a train on him in the first place. It's never been an issue that Dabuz was auto-scum. I've stated several times that I find Soup to be more scummy than Dabuz himself and I've explained why. Jdietz suggesting that I find Dabuz scummy is him not being thorough in his research or reads on me.

Dabuz needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
 

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Omni, how come all the points you make are exclusively about defending yourself? When it comes to pushes you sheep marshy, provide N-O-T-H-I-N-G that has any sort of value but as soon as people push you for it you demand cases? I think that BS from you is case enough to deserve you a lynch.

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Mass effect Kingmaker

Vote Count:

PFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHA



Mastermind (Evil Eye and Ryker) has been prodded. Disregard that. He posted at the appropriate time lol

Marshy has been warned for posting out of his hydra head.


Deadline for Day 1 is Nov. 1
 

Omni

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Death Bear, you of all the people should understand my issues with marshy though. I mean, you *do* agree with me that Omni is a rather good lynch toDay, do you? If so, you don't find anything strange about how marshy tries to completely choke my points against Omni despite him agreeing that earlier Omni made bothersome points? I don't know what's there not to understand, marshy is clearly guilty of behavior that is more than just inconsistent, hiding behind his usually so-scummy-that-nobody-can-tell cover.

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Your argument is that Marshy is choking your points toward me. You also imply that Marshy and I are scummates. If you really think there is a connection between Marshy and I in that manner then I think you have a surface layer view on this game.
 

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Dabuz needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Omni needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
No Hetero needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Kary needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Death Bear needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Soup needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Mastermind needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.
Gheb needs to die because there's no reason to keep him alive. He's either dumb or scum. I don't like his slot existing. And as it being D1 he's disposable. Win-win.

See Omni, I can play that game too. And I don't need to justify myself because I don't need to justify myself and if you call me out for it I will throw you into the "you-are-dumb-or-scum" drawer just like everybody else.

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Death Bear

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I'll agree i was suspicious of Omni at points , and some of what you said can be accurate, Omni isn't taking this game seriously, but beyond his apparent lack of serious business style play, which is based off old meta(not to say it's outright wrong, just old ), Omni's case on dabuz may be lackluster, but that could be said of anyone on the dabuz wagon at any point in time, so what makes him different ? Is it him holding to it ?
 

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Omni, I'm not at a comp so I can't delve into that completely

But let me get this straight

Soup is more scummy than Dabuz, but Dabuz is the play for today?

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No Hetero

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I'll respond to Gheb tomorrow. Lol @ him saying he's proven me guilty though.
 

Death Bear

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Gheb, i'll give you one thing holding me back from reverting to my town Omni read and that was his knee jerk reaction to me forgetting where he voted soup and getting on him because of that.

I'll have to go quote it, but i want you to tell me what you make of it as well.
 

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I'll agree i was suspicious of Omni at points , and some of what you said can be accurate, Omni isn't taking this game seriously, but beyond his apparent lack of serious business style play, which is based off old meta(not to say it's outright wrong, just old ), Omni's case on dabuz may be lackluster, but that could be said of anyone on the dabuz wagon at any point in time, so what makes him different ? Is it him holding to it ?
Fwiw I think everybody on the dabuz wagon owes an explanaton. As I have pointed out earlier though, I don't like marshy's interpretation of Jerkus' and Omni's play either. And before you weigh in on that I have to ask you to read it first because I know both of your heads tend to skip that part at times.

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Omni

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Omni, how come all the points you make are exclusively about defending yourself? When it comes to pushes you sheep marshy, provide N-O-T-H-I-N-G that has any sort of value but as soon as people push you for it you demand cases? I think that BS from you is case enough to deserve you a lynch.

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Really? Let's review this, Gheb.

Was I sheeping Marshy when I wanted to spearhead the Dabuz wagon?
Was I sheeping Marshy when I noticed Soup's play being off and called him out on being scummy?
Was I sheeping Marshy when I deemed you obv town or called out Bardull on leaning town?

Your arguments are flismy, Gheb. And they're simply incorrect. Your basis is based off the meta that I'm not playing serious, but now you're jumping to a new subject that I'm not creating stances or making arguments while in retrospect asking people to make them against me.

For example, Dbear was one who made several pushes at me. He vocalized his concerns. And I responded. Each time and he took it as it was. You, however, are holding onto some notion that I'm a clown because I have a sense of humor and that somehow portrays me as scum. That "Omni, you're not being serious" is a sign of me being scum. Which is a WEAK basis. Your entire basis on Marshy and myself is weak. It has no umph. You're just blowing out wind Marshy style except it carries no weight because your basis and reasoning is garbage. And when I tell you to clean up the mess and give me something worth responding to, I get this same **** over and over again. You're wasting our time.
 

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Omni, I'm not at a comp so I can't delve into that completely

But let me get this straight

Soup is more scummy than Dabuz, but Dabuz is the play for today?
Are people finally start seeing throught Omni's BS?
Will you start to see trough marshy's BS as well?

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Omni

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Omni, I'm not at a comp so I can't delve into that completely

But let me get this straight

Soup is more scummy than Dabuz, but Dabuz is the play for today?

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Yes. Jesus, dude. I've said this literally thousands of times over the course of the Day. Why is this just now putting you on alert?
 

Death Bear

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God this game is going to ****.

Stepping out , coming back after some thought food.
 

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"You are wrong because what you say isn't true and what you say is garbage".

I can truly not keep up with this level of argumentation.

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Omni

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Yeah, I'm stepping off, too. I haven't been this infuriated with awful play since Overswarm.
 

~ Gheb ~

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> play awful
> call out other people for playing awfully

Glad we're all on the same page.

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Death Bear

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hey gheb, could you give me a tl;dr of your thoughts on everyone on the dabuz wagon ?
Also, do you agree with what i said before about dabuz; i.e he is going to be the vinyl of this game ? Why or why not ?
 

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Nobody who's on the dabuz wagon is in a position to call my argument flimsy.

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