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Marth On FOD

OverLord

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Against HBox I got rested very few times.. it's not rest the problem, but the way he crouchs and pressures near you..

You can beat Juan with Marth, you have just to do it. KK does just have no will ;D


PS: Dignity is much more important than Victory.
 

iamjason8

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Just play Fox like M2K and you'll beat HBox. No need to get technical?
d(^_____^)b

To answer the question, this is an okay stage for me with Marth. I don't play on this stage that much but its good against C.Falcon and Falco. As for Fox, the platforms take getting used to.

I hate this stage against Sheik.
 

iamjason8

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It's actually good against Sheik, but if you don't like the stage in general, I wouldn't recommend it..
Oh.. Really? As a whole I don't particularly like this stage but I don't exactly hate it. Reason I'm not excited against Fox is that the platforms can mess up a lot of tippers and the low ceiling means Fox can kill nicely. He also get's wall jump to mix-up his recovery.

As for Sheik, the platforms also mess up my tippers, she also gets wall jump and she has an overall advantage against Marth, so to me it feels like this stage is slightly widening the gap between her and Marth. :(
 

Dart!

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I'm not sure if Marth himself is good on FoD, but compared to other characters he does better!
I get Falcons and Falcos that ban FoD on me because it messes up their combos.
And the platforms messes up SH laser when they're low.
I like it against Fox because of the high ceiling and if I'm not mistaken, are the sides smaller than most?
The stage seems to be the same size as Yoshi's. Small stage= High sword to stage coverage ratio. ^^
The only gripes I have with the stage are when the platforms are low, you can't crouch/hide under them to avoid attacks and retaliate with an uptilt. But then again, that height is when it messed up with shffl approaches and other things.
Not sure if it's that bad against Peach and Samus like you say, Dart. What makes you say that?

Conclusion:
If YS is banned, I CP FoD. If FoD is banned, I CP YS. They seem to be the same size. Small enough for your fsmash to cover half the stage.
Unless it's a Marth ditto. Then I like going big like Poke'mon. A Marth ditto on a small stage is like 2 hotdogs in 1 bun.
the platforms lead to alot of dsmash projectile traps, plus it helps their movement out alot as well. the only good thing is the sides are smaller for you to kill them.
 

Niko45

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Marth is very solid on this stage. Ban vs Sheik imo, other than that, solid.

I prefer battlefield in pretty much all matchups, but FoD is the kind of stage I wouldn't CP but also don't mind playing on.
 

Dart!

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Marth is very solid on this stage. Ban vs Sheik imo, other than that, solid.

I prefer battlefield in pretty much all matchups, but FoD is the kind of stage I wouldn't CP but also don't mind playing on.
oh my god when i'm feeling it...falco can't touch me on this stage. for real.
 

JBM falcon08

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FoD/Stadium/DL64 are in Falcos favor vs Marth.

What im getting at is why do you think FoD is better for marth than falco dart.
 

Niko45

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You can easily get ***** by Falco on FoD I agree with JBM. It's more a toss up on that stage than anything else imo and comes down to who is going to get ****ed over/get help from the platforms. For these reasons I tend to avoid it. Low platforms means you can't just be safe underneath and spam up tilts if Falco is above you because he could force a trade with dair now instead of just getting *****.

Idk, I used to think FoD was "the answer" against Falco but it definitely isn't. My results there are really inconsistent and ultimately I'd just rather play on more consistent stages like YS and BF. I mean don't get me wrong I don't mind playing on it if I have to but it's not at all going to be my CP or anything.
 

JBM falcon08

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*Agrees with Niko*

FoD just isn't marth's friend. The platforms **** one of his best moves(Utilt). Fox also does well on that stage, but Falco i believe has a more recognizable advantage with combo capability with dairs.

Marth is a big character and this stage just doesn't give him proper mobility. with the platforms moving his couple of strong points are the edge and below the top platform. Falco/Fox can play the platforms and all else marth has on the stage.
 

Winston

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How do platforms **** his utilt? I guess what I'm asking is, in what situation on a stage with normal platforms is falco just challenging you from above and running into your utilts? If you mean for combos I don't think the difference is too significant.

The platforms may help Falco's combos/pressure somewhat, but Falco's combo/pressure game vs Marth is already extremely good once he gets in, on any stage. I think that improvement is relatively small compared to him losing access to lasers at times.

I'm not experienced enough on it to say it's super good for Marth, but I feel that it's in his favor, and I can't see it being disadvantaged for him in the MU.
 

Teczer0

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I could see an argument for both sides, quite honestly the stage lends itself well to both characters.

I consider it Marth's advantage just based on how many players seem to dislike it but I would have to think who gains the better lead to firmly be able to say who does better on it.

I would guess Falco by a tiny bit but really I think its quite a toss up.
 

BairJew

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Contrastingly does the preference of yoshis to FoD all come down to whether you can deal with the platforms messing up your SHFFL's? It seems like in all honesty yoshi's would be the better stage yet I seem to do better on FoD.
 
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