Marth just got ten times better

[toon link 94]

marth is amazingly fast, and he just got faster how is that possible?so we basicly know now that his final smash is a one hit kill.cant wait to try him out but i think i will try a few other characters befors i play as marth,like toon link,ike,link,ganondorf,zelda and meta knight.
cant wait till brawl comes out!

 

[Dark Sonic]

I really think Banning characters is a last resort. They didn't ban Shiek in melee even though she completely dominated the early melee scene. Techniques were discovered that brought other characters up to par. The same thing will happen in brawl. In fact, I've heard that up B canceling with Pit can have the same effect as double jump canceling (which is ground level aerials). Pit's back air is like Captain Falcon's knee in melee (really powerful sweetspot.) Combine the two and you have the perfect way to punish someone that likes to land behind you.

Combine Wing canceling with that jump back towards and you get a ground level turn around aerial that will be a great punisher for any laggy attacks.

Now I'm not saying Pit's broken or anything, but techniques will be discovered to help develop characters. Some of them may develop to be greater than Marth (Marth and Fox passed Shiek afterall).

 

[Wiseguy]

Well, that's it then. *Takes suicide pill*

 

[SolidSonic]

I'm not trying to rain on anyones parade here, but I think you guys are overreacting big time. Sure hes great, but come on.

Ol' Snake (who a lot of people think is just meh), beat Marth in this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E35CkSItW6E&eurl=http://www.wifiwars.com/?q=node/86
Yes that is just one vid, and you can dismiss it. But I think Brawl will be more balanced then some people expect.

Everyone in the Meta-Knight section thinks MK is broken good, other sections hype up their characters as well. Marth fans seem to mainly love Marth just because how good he is, which might be reason enough to hype him up through the roof?

Just trying to figure this out... I mean you guys are talking about him being so broken he needs to be banned? wtf

 

[Warlock*G]

Looking at that vid, Marth's forward smash seems to be easier to avoid than I thought... easier than in Melee for that matter.

Oh and this vid just made me wanna try Solid Snake. :D

Snake?! SNAAAAAAKE!

Oh, and you're probably right Solid Sonic. Everybody here's overeacting over their precious characters.

Edit: My preeeciouuuusssssss... *GOLLUM* *GOLLUM*

 

[lildude]

it looks like the knockback on his fair is greater, which raises the question of whether or not its still possible to do the ken combo.... that would really suck if the ken combo has been rendered obsolete

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

it looks like the knockback on his fair is greater, which raises the question of whether or not its still possible to do the ken combo.... that would really suck if the ken combo has been rendered obsolete

Either you can only Ken Combo with a tipped fair at low percents, or only with a non tipped fair.

If that is the case, I think it wouldn't be possible, due to the fact that there is less stun time in Brawl, and even in Melee marth's non tipped fair had very low stun time.

Ken combo isn't looking good, especially since even if you do get it off, they can recover much more easily.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Either you can only Ken Combo with a tipped fair at low percents, or only with a non tipped fair.

If that is the case, I think it wouldn't be possible, due to the fact that there is less stun time in Brawl, and even in Melee marth's non tipped fair had very low stun time.

Ken combo isn't looking good, especially since even if you do get it off, they can recover much more easily.

Aww no Ken Combo...Darn...Looks like I'm gonna have to make a Jesiah combo...Sorry guys LOL

Haha jk but yeah I'm glad to hear Marth is better

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth needs no Ken combo. He ahs plenty of other combos. He is one of the best comboers in this game.

That's saying alot since there are hardly any combos in this game.

 

[AS Money]

man what happened to sheik ouch they killed her down throw

good to see marths back though

lol its been a while where i have seen a match with no wavedashing

 

[toon link 94]

yes i agree with warlock G it looks pretty easy to dodge but if u do get hit prepare for a world of pain!

 

[toon link 94]

yes it has been a while since i have seen any wavedashing eather!

 

[Warlock*G]

yes i agree with warlock G it looks pretty easy to dodge but if u do get hit prepare for a world of pain!

Yay! Somebody said my name! XD

Now now let's not jump the gun folks. Marth looks good (and I enjoyed using him from time to time in Melee just to piss my friends off) but we should give it time. I mean, you *do* want a pretty balanced game don't you?

 

[Pierce7d]

IASA + Smash Top KO at 50% + Instant Death Final Smash = Top Tier > Every other character

 

[cradmazy_SKAG]

**interrupted As Soon As!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**

 

[Dark Sonic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STYxxmmi8_M

5:22 and 5:48. Marth does his side B and gains height from it. Maybe you have to do the side B at the peak of the jump to gain any height from it this time around.

6:36 was wierd too. Apparently Marth's up B hits behind him when reversed now, or makes him turn around before doing it.

 

[nintengod]

hes not that much better, if anything he's worse...
his sword range lost about half a foot in the smash world
and his tip seems MORE sweet spotish, meaning its harder to tip...
also his running speed look like it took a hit
he lost some knockback as well
even his attacks seem to have lost about 2 dmg each

 

[Infern Angelis]

Marth is gonna rock Brawl, but Ike will rock it even harder. Fire Emblem character rule

 

[Dark Sonic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU56ITPfIlk&feature=related

2:50 Marth shield breaker completely ***** shields.

 

[Kirin]

All hail the Lord of Brawl!

 

[Hydde]

I saw a video of some guy doing a ken combo.

Its deifnitely there , but i think its harder to do this time around.

 

[Raym]

Marth don't kill himself with his Final Smash, at least no in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=396SwvVQG-g&feature=related

 

[Hydde]

:O

as far as i knew... he killed himself by going all the way to the side of the screen....


mmmm then the other guy mas given misleading information?

 

[Kirin]

Probably the same one you're talking about, but I saw a video where Marth missed with his FS and flew off the stage, killing himself.

 

[Hydde]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU56ITPfIlk&feature=related

2:50 Marth shield breaker completely ***** shields.

man that was........ AWESOME.

It reduced that shield like an almost full charged old shield breaker!

god i think he is kind of abusive after all O_O

 

[Kirin]

Turns out he only flies off the stage and dies if you miss his FS while on the air. Missing his FS while grounded only makes you go to the edge of the stage. And yes Ken combo is back.

 

[Honto-E-Lawl]

woah sounds like marth was buffed and nerfed equally O_o

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

I've played one game of brawl and used marth (my main from melee). It was a 4 player FFA with high items and some weird stage. A few things I noticed:

- dash dance timing is different (I think faster)
- fsmash is good
- fair seems a bit different in knockback
- I did a final smash while in the air and missed all opponents. My marth went off the stage and died. Then the 3 guys I was playing lol'd at me.

I got 4th place as marth. The other people I was playing had all played for at least 1 hour each, so I didn't feel too bad. Everyone is making out marth to be gay and top tier. Despite that, I see a lot of potential in other characters for brawl. Marth is anything but unstoppable. Maybe I will think differently once I play a real 1v1.

 

[Count Alphez]

marths been more nerfed than people may think

this will make things difficult for people who are too used to him.

dont everyone get too comfortable declaring marth supreme just yet

tho i hope he still is

 

[FrostByte]

Marth's Dtilt isn't as easily accessible.

By the looks of things, Marth can combo almost everyone in the game the same way since there are no fastfallers.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Fall speed means nothing in this game, since everyone falls the same. So now there are generic combos across the board.

How is his d-tilt not easily accessible?

Just walk, or shield approach or empty SH to space

Besides, if you don't like the d-tilt, just ***** dancing blade.

 

[FrostByte]

Fall speed means nothing in this game, since everyone falls the same. So now there are generic combos across the board.

How is his d-tilt not easily accessible?

Just walk, or shield approach or empty SH to space

Besides, if you don't like the d-tilt, just ***** dancing blade.

It isn't as easily accessible as it previously was, that's what I meant. I hope there's enough stun as to not get brawlgrabbed (anyone confirm?).

 

[plök]

WOOH! I thought this would have been taken out from Melee.

Can any other characters do this?

 

[mNag]

Other characters got the nerf hammer alot worse.

Marth got faster in attack speed and has alot of natural combos in a game where combos are very hard to do. He doesn't need to risk jumping around in a slower game since his dancing blade ahs been buffed and how now still has his d-tilt cancel. This augments his approach game.

Also his counter now returns whatever damage would have been done to him but last just as long.

His nerfs are less range, less grab range, and slightly slower in running speed.

So what?

He still outranges the majority of the cast. He can still has good grab range and he still quick on his feet.

If you can't see why Marth is good in Brawl then I don't know what to say.

I didn't have any problem killing Marth mains with Ness in melee, and since Ness got buffed and the range of Marth got nerfed, I should have no problems dominating Marth in Brawl ^_^ I like this news.

My bread and butter was the third spark of my dash attack and tippering his hand after an fsmash with my baseball bat. I basically mastered the ranges of Ness and since there's no indication that his range is anything but atleast as good as melee - I'm a very happy Ness.

 

[Gerbality]

So. Basicly, Marth's Dtilt has a built in L-Cancel of sorts.

L-cancel is for ariels. Marths Dtilt is a ground attack. This was in melee, he is just pointing out that it stayed in brawl; just to show that marth didnt get nerfed badly, and still maintained his godlyness.

 

[Emblem Lord]

mNag: So you ***** scrubby Marths? Good for you sir.

Also Marth's d-tilt moves him forward. Much better for safely approaching or doing one or two d-tilts then dashing to w/e.

So Marth's spacing game and his approach game is better just from that as well.

 

[mNag]

mNag: So you ***** scrubby Marths? Good for you sir.

Also Marth's d-tilt moves him forward. Much better for safely approaching or doing one or two d-tilts then dashing to w/e.

So Marth's spacing game and his approach game is better just from that as well.

I play a very cat and mouse game with marth, no way would he ever get a d-tilt on me, and i priority dashes, so i don't get what you're trying to say here.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Only the first part of that last post was for you.

The second part was just info for Marth players.

I'm saying that you beating on Marth's with Ness is meaningless. Unless the Marth is very good. Then it means something.

 

[Warlock*G]

"Surprise! Surprise! This is where we change all the rules!" --Joker, "Wild Cards"

Yeah, apparently *another* one of Marth's perks have been discovered! But the coolest trick will always be... THE COUNTER! Seriously, is anyone else here going to try to use it as much as possible, excessively so? Because I sure will.

I might use Marth (and Ike, for that matter) a *little more* than I did in Melee just because of that move. I mean, pulling off a counter just screams "lol pwned I got skillz"... or something equally gangsta.

 

[alchfilosofer]

Yeah, apparently *another* one of Marth's perks have been discovered! But the coolest trick will always be... THE COUNTER! Seriously, is anyone else here going to try to use it as much as possible, excessively so? Because I sure will.

yeap, counter OWNS, and I'll semi-spami it, i mean i LOVE counter and i DID spam the "worthless" counter from melee (counter is an edge guard GOD).