Mario Mafia/Newbie 10! Game Over! Scum Wins!

[Grump]

EBWOP

/unvote

I'll have my vote out after I read over these last few pages a few times and mull it all over.

 

[X1-12]

D1 Votecount!


Seph (1) Acrostic,
Terywj (1) Glyph
UberMario (3) Ranmaru, Vanderzant, Seph
No Lynch (1) UberMario

Not voting (3) Meta-Kirby, Terywj, Grump

With 9 alive it takes 5 to Lynch!

Deadline is 17th Dec

 

[ranmaru]

Doesn't food for thought mean I'm putting up something out there in an attempt to spark discussion?

Man, looks like I won't be playing any other games of Mafia anytime soon.

I'm at school, so my thoughts on the posts I missed later.

Yes, and you sparked up discussion with Glyph, so discuss further.

WTF I don't post for a few hours and that's enough for Ranmaru to return his vote to me? 0_o

And did anyone else notice that Vanderzant wrote "no one else vote for Uber yet, unless you are Mafia", and Seph quotes him, then proceeds to unvote and then vote for I, Uber? >_>

Even if Van said "else", that kind of strikes up an alarm for me, I'm going to stay with my original vote for now though.

Yes, but if we see you gradually post more of what you think (anything that isn't about votes going against you), we will withdraw.

Of course, you'd probably notice someone voting you.

Ok, I'll ask you a question. What do you think of Terywj?

Also, before you said you were observing, had you observed more data?

@Vand:

Anyways, I'm on vacation at the moment visiting family, so I won't be able to be as active as I was for the first few days, but I'll be heading back home on the 12th. Till then, I'll stay active, just not as much so as before

When are we scheduled for another vote count?

Ok, noted that you are on vacation. :]

 

[UberMario]

"Also, before you said you were observing, had you observed more data?"



Not really, I was just trying to figure out what one should do here.

 

[ranmaru]

Well, you might have to point fingers and ask questions about the other people here.

Now, I asked you what you think of Terywj.

Now, from this list, who do you think is town/mafia and why.

Players:
1.) Acrostic
2.) Grump
3.) Sephiroths Masamune
4.) Glyph
5.) Terywj
6.) Ranamru
7.) UberMario
8.) Vanderzant (IC)
9.) Meta-Kirby (IC)


Don't be afraid to speak. If someone accuses you of something, defend.

You'll have to speak, or defend. Come on Uber, we know you can do it.

 

[vanderzant]

@UberMario: Answer what Ranmaru is saying to start with, but you need to start asking questions and scum hunting. If you're not sure what scum hunting is, please read up on the mafia basics thread in the OP, and read my #41 if you haven't already.

Currently you are 2 votes away from a lynch for not posting next to any content.

@Grump: Fair enough, enjoy your holiday :D. But what made you believe that my vote on Seph was panicky? You now know I had assumed in advance that Seph's vote wasn't entirely serious (and he has evem stated this). So why would I panic over something I don't have to fear?

Still believe that vote on me was misplaced, so IGMEOY ("I got my eye on you!").

@Tery: What do you think about Glyph's #278? He seems to really emphasise that he believes you are scum.

How do you feel that compares to my response where I quoted the rule that states "Roles are randomly distributed"

Both Glyph and I were commenting on the same thing, yet posted completely different responses. Does this say about either our alignments?

 

[vanderzant]

EBWOP: Last sentence should be: *What does this say about either of our alignments?"

 

[UberMario]

Well, you might have to point fingers and ask questions about the other people here.

Now, I asked you what you think of Terywj.

Now, from this list, who do you think is town/mafia and why.

Players:
1.) Acrostic
2.) Grump
3.) Sephiroths Masamune
4.) Glyph
5.) Terywj
6.) Ranamru
7.) UberMario
8.) Vanderzant (IC)
9.) Meta-Kirby (IC)


Don't be afraid to speak. If someone accuses you of something, defend.

You'll have to speak, or defend. Come on Uber, we know you can do it.

Alright. Well, right now, I haven't seen anything troubling about Acrostic's, Grump's, Glyph's, or Meta-Kirby's posts, although the last of them makes me wonder: What if that J person left at least partially because he wasn't town and was afraid to mess up and leave only one mafian by themself? Meta-Kirby would have inherited any role that J had.

However, right now, it's Terywj and Vanderzant that I think are the scum. The former seems very defensive for some strange reason, and the fact that he said that he didn't want to join other mafia [games] after being accused of being a scum seems rather suspicious. Van seems like he's out to get me though, trying to get a group of people to lynch someone on little basis, and that seems kind of strange IF he's an actual townie.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Where did I state that I wasn't going to play in another DGames Mafia because I am being accused of scum?

 

[UberMario]

Where did I state that I wasn't going to play in another DGames Mafia because I am being accused of scum?

You misread my post, in the post that you made directly after Glyph accused you of being a Mafia member, you wrote: "Man, looks like I won't be playing any other games of Mafia anytime soon."

It's on page 19.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You didn't, but it was heavily implied when you state that in the same post in which you reply to my accusation.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Oh, yeah Ulti beat me to it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Agh, I need to be more fluent in English. I meant like through the FOS and all that it seemed like I was going to die.
But I was being naive and didn't read the post count.

I am not Mafia. I understand I lack evidence to support the statement, but there's no evidence for you to accuse me of being Mafia either. It's your choice to believe me.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

UltiMario =/= UberMario.

Looks like someone isn't paying attention to names.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I am not Mafia. I understand I lack evidence to support the statement, but there's no evidence for you to accuse me of being Mafia either. It's your choice to believe me.

No evidence for me to accuse you with? Have you not read every post I've made?

You can't just dismiss our claims against you like this, you have to prove to us that you're town.

UltiMario =/= UberMario.

Looks like someone isn't paying attention to names.

Well you've got me there. Sorry, UberMario!

 

[UberMario]

No problem, Glyph, it happens a lot when I talk to the PokeCenter members.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

No evidence for me to accuse you with? Have you not read every post I've made?

You can't just dismiss our claims against you like this, you have to prove to us that you're town.

Do you like just skip over my posts? Apparently only half the time.

Acrostic brought up a really good point here when he mentioned you were taking a huge leap of faith in assuming they were town. But I don't think it was a leap of faith at all. If you are scum, as I believe, then you'd know exactly who is scum and who is town. You seem to know alignments already.

Then you were kind enough to reiterate that you thought the IC's were both town, though this time you're careful to emphasize that you're not sure (this is after Acrostic's post quoting the first comment in question). Liking to think that they're both town would be nice, but I honestly can't say why you'd say something along those lines unless you actually knew their rolls (be it one if mafia and you're covering for him or both are town and you're trying to build credibility)

Doesn't food for thought mean I'm putting up something out there in an attempt to spark discussion?

At least you were kind enough to respond to my message.

Where's Meta-Kirby?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Alright. Well, right now, I haven't seen anything troubling about Acrostic's, Grump's, Glyph's, or Meta-Kirby's posts, although the last of them makes me wonder: What if that J person left at least partially because he wasn't town and was afraid to mess up and leave only one mafian by themself? Meta-Kirby would have inherited any role that J had.

IIRC: J was using a Nintendo DS in order to have access to smashboards. She seriously went V/LA, so it may be counter-productive on your part to look to deeply into that. Because there is only so far you can go with a Nintendo DS in comparison to a real computer.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That said though, Meta-Kirby hasn't posted much at all. I believe one or two posts at maximum? He could be busy, but we should keep an eye on that.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I am not Mafia. I understand I lack evidence to support the statement, but there's no evidence for you to accuse me of being Mafia either. It's your choice to believe me.

It's these kind of statements that keep me on you Tery. Anyone can say this, and it's not too hard to do so either. The ONLY way you can show town that your town is to scum hunt which you aren't doing. Which makes others dislike you even more. What we want from you Tery is to show us that your town by voting and questioning others.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So I have to vote in order to clearly be town. That's a lot of ********. So a Mafioso voted for UberMario. They're clearly not town. I mean, they voted and questioned and everything. I'm taking time to analyze what has been said or the lack of what has been said. The due time for votes is not for another week or so. It's not like we're in a rush. Or are you?

I understand you think of the possibility of a facade, but it's highly unreasonable.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

We judge you by your actions, Fact: Scum know who scum are. therefore, scum do not need to look for scum. They can pretend to look for scum but they are not. By not looking for scum you look scummy. If everyone sat back and did nothing but analyze, nothing would get done.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Do you like just skip over my posts? Apparently only half the time.

At least you were kind enough to respond to my message.

Where's Meta-Kirby?

Apparently I haven't made myself clear then.

Your defense against my accusations has not been nearly enough to convince me that you're not scum. In fact all you did was repeat a part of your second post, while not addressing the first at all. A part that I had already addressed, might I add.

Then you were kind enough to reiterate that you thought the IC's were both town, though this time you're careful to emphasize that you're not sure (this is after Acrostic's post quoting the first comment in question).

Everything you say to trying to justify your actions just seems defensive, and not very convincing at that.

@Everyone else: Is there anyone who thinks Tery is town? Has he done something that clearly identifies him as such?

 

[vanderzant]

@Tery I asked you some questions. In terms of scum hunting, answering them will be a good start. Seph is right though, you need to prove to town that you are both useful and have townie intentions. A good example is what Acrostic/Grump have been posting.

Van seems like he's out to get me though, trying to get a group of people to lynch someone on little basis, and that seems kind of strange IF he's an actual townie.

Why do you I said "no one else vote Uber unless they are scum?" Does that sound like I was trying to get you lynch. I'm trying to force you to start scum hunting so I can figure out if you're town or not. And the irony is that your posts have so little basis for us to NOT lynch you.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

We judge you by your actions, Fact: Scum know who scum are. therefore, scum do not need to look for scum. They can pretend to look for scum but they are not. By not looking for scum you look scummy. If everyone sat back and did nothing but analyze, nothing would get done.

This is funny because I see no accusations against Meta-Kirby. Why have all your comments been targeting of me but none at him? Meta-Kirby has posted very little, and just happens to not be voting. Does this mean you're defending him when you are pressuring me? Why would you defend him if- oh right. Mafias know who each other are. Your argument also places yourself on spot - you just said Mafia can pretend to Mafia hunt. Are you not trying to do so? Isn't basically everyone trying to do so right now? "By not looking for Mafia, you appear as a Mafia." That's funny, because you just said Mafia pretend to hunt for Mafia.

Did I say all I would do was analyze? Nope. By the due date I would have (somewhat) of a proper analysis which could at the very least buffer a vote. Did you take this into consideration at all in your response? Nope. Did your entire post have any valid arguments? Nope.

 

[vanderzant]

Horrible typing sorry: Why do you think I said "no one else vote Uber unless they are scum?" Does that sound like I was trying to get you lynched?

@Glyph: I'm not really sure on Tery at the moment.

What do you think of Grump? Town or Scum?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Relaying this from the DGames Social Thread.

Unexpected V/LA Status until my router is fixed and/or replaced. Acting really funky, and the guy on the help line claims it might be defected. Who knows, though.
Should be back before Monday, though. Sorry to those who are waiting on me!

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

This is funny because I see no accusations against Meta-Kirby. Why have all your comments been targeting of me but none at him? Meta-Kirby has posted very little, and just happens to not be voting. Does this mean you're defending him when you are pressuring me? Why would you defend him if- oh right. Mafias know who each other are. Your argument also places yourself on spot - you just said Mafia can pretend to Mafia hunt. Are you not trying to do so? Isn't basically everyone trying to do so right now? "By not looking for Mafia, you appear as a Mafia." That's funny, because you just said Mafia pretend to hunt for Mafia.

Did I say all I would do was analyze? Nope. By the due date I would have (somewhat) of a proper analysis which could at the very least buffer a vote. Did you take this into consideration at all in your response? Nope. Did your entire post have any valid arguments? Nope.

One of the reasons that were not talking about MK, is because he hasn't posted enough to build anything on. On the otherhand you have been active, but haven't been scum hunting. Which we can build things on. We are all suspisious of MK, it's just we're dealing with what we have atm.

Pretending to scum hunt is an option of mafia. Which actually hurts them as much as it does help. By scum hunting you find tells of player if they are either scum or town. If scum helps town find tells of players alainment they only help town. And when town scum hunt they do the same. By that logic why wouldn't we want to get rid of the players who aren't scum hunting?

Anyone could do anything later, but just because you can do something doesn't mean you are. In mafia people focus on the here and now and veiw evidence from the past to predict what people will say/do. Time and time again we hear unfulfilled promises of how people will do something later. So don't be mad if we don't beleive you.

 

[vanderzant]

Lame @ MK being V/LA. I suppose we can wait, but waiting isn't fun .

 

[vanderzant]

Confused at Tery dodging my question in #286. He also did this in #126.

Confused at Glyph only responding to things Tery is saying.

Wondering if Grump is planning a big post or just reading the thread.

What do others think of these points?

 

[Grump]

@Vandi

"But what made you believe that my vote on Seph was panicky? You now know I had assumed in advance that Seph's vote wasn't entirely serious (and he has evem stated this). So why would I panic over something I don't have to fear?"

::I didn't know it wasn't entirely serious... That may have been an entirely wrong read on my case then, in which case I apologize o.o Unless Seph comes around and states that his vote WAS serious, in which case I may view your response differently. But if it was all in jest, then I was in the wrong x.x

@Glyph:

"@Everyone else: Is there anyone who thinks Tery is town? Has he done something that clearly identifies him as such?"

:: I don't think he's town, but he's already reacted to me. I'm watching how he reacts to you guys, but I'm not too impressed so far. Maybe I can prod a little bit.

@Tery: ::How about this... Who is your most prominent scum read and why? Maybe a top three list? At least show us that you have some thoughts swirling around.

Also, Seph wasn't attacking you because of activity level, but because of your methods that you use to defend yourself. They are seriously lacking in convincing arguments, and are really only incriminating yourself.

@UberMario:

::: Please read Vand and Seph were not trying to lynch you. They were trying to apply a little pressure to encourage you to post more (which, you have!). Also, J was an IC. If he was mafia, he probably wasn't worried so much.

@Glyph again:

I seperate this point because I'm EXTREMELY curious... Do you have ANY other suspects BESIDES Tery? As Vand has noticed as well, you aren't really focusing on everybody. It seems like you may be simply tunneling on the current most liked "bandwagon". Elaborate?

 

[ranmaru]

Alright. Well, right now, I haven't seen anything troubling about Acrostic's, Grump's, Glyph's, or Meta-Kirby's posts, although the last of them makes me wonder: What if that J person left at least partially because he wasn't town and was afraid to mess up and leave only one mafian by themself? Meta-Kirby would have inherited any role that J had.

However, right now, it's Terywj and Vanderzant that I think are the scum. The former seems very defensive for some strange reason, and the fact that he said that he didn't want to join other mafia [games] after being accused of being a scum seems rather suspicious. Van seems like he's out to get me though, trying to get a group of people to lynch someone on little basis, and that seems kind of strange IF he's an actual townie.

That is a possibility. Although Acrostic seems to say that she really couldn't. I'm pretty sure the DSI doesn't do well with forums.

But, she was posting fine from it, maybe she did get something she couldn't handle? Even so, I'm sure Meta could handle it. :3

I think Tery should start showing some initiative. But we will see once the 17th comes, WHAT he will do. (or should it be sooner? )

Van, I don't know. I honestly think he was trying to get inactives to play. Doesn't seem scummy yet. He did ask about Glyph though, that may be something. But I'm sure it is weird Glyph targeted Tery from the start.

That said though, Meta-Kirby hasn't posted much at all. I believe one or two posts at maximum? He could be busy, but we should keep an eye on that.

You, are right. Van said we should wait a bit so that Meta can catch up, but we didn't really wait for Uber. He was pretty quick to vote to Uber as well. It was fine, but not in this case. (Because he would rather wait for Meta but NOT Uber) Although, he might have been giving him time because he was a replacement, so I can give him some leniancy.

But now, since Meta is on V/LA, we'll have to do what we can for now.

Apparently I haven't made myself clear then.

Your defense against my accusations has not been nearly enough to convince me that you're not scum. In fact all you did was repeat a part of your second post, while not addressing the first at all. A part that I had already addressed, might I add.



Everything you say to trying to justify your actions just seems defensive, and not very convincing at that.

@Everyone else: Is there anyone who thinks Tery is town? Has he done something that clearly identifies him as such?

I'm not sure, but he keeps saying "Fine, it's your choice if I die". Again, he thinks we will pity him... I don't think this will work. He needs to find scum, that is the only way of clearing himself.

This is funny because I see no accusations against Meta-Kirby. Why have all your comments been targeting of me but none at him? Meta-Kirby has posted very little, and just happens to not be voting. Does this mean you're defending him when you are pressuring me? Why would you defend him if- oh right. Mafias know who each other are. Your argument also places yourself on spot - you just said Mafia can pretend to Mafia hunt. Are you not trying to do so? Isn't basically everyone trying to do so right now? "By not looking for Mafia, you appear as a Mafia." That's funny, because you just said Mafia pretend to hunt for Mafia.

You say this about Tery, but never did you say this about Uber. You were saying people were mafia for voting him, but we SHOULD go and vote Meta for the same reason?

Confused at Glyph only responding to things Tery is saying."

Hmmm, this is true. Glyph hasn't done anything yet that would seem alarming though. He did say he didn't like that no one was putting the heat on Tery. Meaning he wanted to pressure him to a boiling point, but why would someone want to do that? Nah, I guess he is fine. I'm sure he saw something that we didn't, and that is good. (Plus I'm sure anyone would put the pressure on someone to see what they would say)

But then again, he did so pretty quickly. I'm still not sure about Tery... Please answer Grumps suggestion, Tery. : ]

 

[UberMario]

Why do you I said "no one else vote Uber unless they are scum?" Does that sound like I was trying to get you lynch.

You are forgetting what you had posted before that:

Unvote vote: UberMario

Seph put him at L-2. No one else vote for Uber yet, unless you are Mafia of course. That way, Uber won't get lynched unless mafia do it, and then we can lynch the scum tomorrow. We'll wait for him and MK to catch up of course, but if he or MK doesn't we lynch them. Simple pressure.

You had clear intentions of trying to get me lynched simply upon assumption, even though there was little basis.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

In regards as to why I went after Tery right away, its simply because I saw scum like behavior right away. I had the chance to build a case against a player I thought was scum (and was getting away with it on top of that), so I took it.

Aside from Tery, no one else has really struck me as being overly suspicious. I have had moments of doubt for Seph, though he hasn't been nearly as alarming to me.

As for your comment on tunneling, I'm unfamiliar with that term, but I do know "bandwagon". I did not simply look and see who you guys thought was scum early on and vote for them. I found reasons in Tery's posts, analyzed them, and drew conclusions of my own. In fact I've brought up points that no one else has in his posts. He persuaded me to vote for him, not anyone else.

 

[Grump]

Hmm, decent reasons. Tunneling is when you focus on one player nonstop. That, combined with the tunnel being on the most common lynch target/bandwagon can be a possible scumtell.

But then again, almost anything can be XD

What made you suspicious about Seph?

 

[ranmaru]

Although, no one really voted on Tery except Glyph, so there really isn't a bandwagon.

Now, I see Uber posting a little bit more, and he did answer my question.

Now, I will put a little initiative myself.

Uber posted a bit.
Meta is on V/LA. Nothing we can find out about him yet[/g]

Glyph has targeted Tery, but I'm sure we ALL had suspicions, so I think everyone does agree with Glyph.

After Tery Posts, I will decide for my re-vote. (we do need to give him some time to defend himself)

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP

Lol Ok I will put initiative AFTER Tery posts. Gah me and my mistakes I cannot fix. d:<

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Will you guys start using quote tags? It makes it 10 times easier to read your posts. *looks at Grump*

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

What made you suspicious about Seph?

Mostly the push to L-2, though that's hardly a basis for me to vote on. Especially this early in the game.

 

[ranmaru]

Uber, why are you voting for a No Lynch? Or did you make the same mistake as I did and just think it's the same as not voting?

Now, I won't remove my vote so quickly, until I see you vote on someone. (make a reasonable guess)

We need your input.