Mario Boards: General Discussion

[Kanzaki]

ILucas vs mario is even if both knows the match up..

However if niether does, lucas has an advantage... tends to happen more than not cause not many plays mario nor lucas

Also lol@ness. Also utilt >ness dair

 

[boss8]

dnt blame you...marth is a B****......

but imma have some mario vids after nov 5....if anyone does recording...

going to an NC turney MK banned O__o

 

[Inferno3044]

dnt blame you...marth is a B****......

but imma have some mario vids after nov 5....if anyone does recording...

going to an NC turney MK banned O__o

Well you said you would come back if MK was banned. He's banned now so wreck everyone.

 

[vato_break]

nah go luigi dude, win that ****. **** pride lol hell even bust out that wario...a wario with boss's mindgames? ridiculous imo

 

[Inferno3044]

Im with vato. Also I didn't know boss had a wario but it sounds like it can be sick. Any vids of it?

 

[boss8]

na my wario isnt up to par..

vato-im pretty confident with my mario after learning new things...

 

[Jimmyfosho]

 

[Inferno3044]

na my wario isnt up to par..

vato-im pretty confident with my mario after learning new things...

You should work on that for apex 2012.

 

[vato_break]

i think it would be funny if you came outta no where with your wario and kinda just ***** everyone haha.

 

[Z'zgashi]

That's partially because nobody knows how to fight Sonic and fall for all of the gimmicks.

And yet the same people have lost to the same gimmicks time and time again. It gets to the point where you have to wonder whether or not those are actually gimmicks, or actual legit options.

 

[vato_break]

It's not really gimmicks, sure sonic has a few but, mainly sonic tests the other player patience which is something a lot of player don't have. personally i have yet to lose to a sonic cause i tend to play gayer/more patient than the other players haha

 

[Coolwhip]

Yeah. The key to beating good sonics is by being patient. But they can play gay & time you out.

 

[vato_break]

only applies if they have the lead. sonics approach is very punishable, you just have to know how he's approaching and counter it. Sonic loses especially if he's down a stock, he can't really kill you unless you run into him or if you are read during a juggle.

 

[Zigsta]

Mario needs to rise, lmao.

Bowser is fun, but some of his match-ups are seriously wtf-worthy. I tried Bowser v yoshi the other day and it seemed randomly horrible for Bowser.

And link isn't better than Mario, lmao...he's underrated tho.

Yeah, Yoshi is one of Bowser's hardest MUs. It's seriously dumb if Yoshi plays it right.

Also T-BLOCK YOU STALK ME.

 

[steep]

November 19 I am going to a tourney in Cinci… I plan on bringing my Mario in and surprising some people. I have been getting better and quite a few people who I used to be no match for I now beat. I have been getting lots of experience lately.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

only some will remember, very few marios still around who remember that :/

lmao oh I remember it.

Good times.

 

[Coolwhip]

Did i just saw some metaknights flyin around on Sboards....or is i'm tripping?

 

[Cezz624]

Did i just saw some metaknights flyin around on Sboards....or is i'm tripping?

Your not the only one.

 

[vato_break]

anyone expereince in yoshi Vs mario MU. need some decent input for matchup chart discussion.

 

[Matador]

Inferno has played Delta-Cod some, apparently. I've never played any really good ones. As far as I can tell, it's pretty even though.

Sonic is a really good character, lol. Don't get stuck in that '08 mentality of him being a gimmicky character.

The fact that he can hit you punish you from practically anywhere on the stage for doing anything laggy is insane by itself. Add to the fact that he's difficult to gimp and does pretty good damage, AND is one of the best characters at timing others out without the need for a ledge...

He's Brawl's Dhalsim.

 

[Matador]

LOLDOUBLEPoSTFIXTHISSMASHBOARDS!

 

[Inferno3044]

anyone expereince in yoshi Vs mario MU. need some decent input for matchup chart discussion.

I am. What chart discussion do you need?

 

[vato_break]

im in the semi back room thing for the matchup chart. PM me what you know on the MU and ill add it the discussion we are having

 

[Inferno3044]

You mind sending me points from both sides and I'll confirm/deny things? Just big pros and cons being put out and their MU ratio.

@Matador - I'll admit Sonic is definitely mid tier, but X and Espy are definitely both extreme outliers. There are definitely other good Sonics like Kai and Speed but they aren't on a level as the other two.

 

[boss8]

Mario v yoshi

Pros:
-easy edgeguard (cape/fludd trixies)
-easy to combo,his weight
-fireballs make it hard for yoshi to approach
-cape eggs back at him

Cons:
-his pivot grab (yea yea we knw)
-he has a decent jab mixup game
-eggs do about 9 dmg if they hit you O__o
-Resistance (off his 2nd jump)
-edge egg camp >__>


i think mario has this one 55-45

just not by alot...

 

[vato_break]

Deltacod - "we have a pretty solid advantage at neutral simply due to Mario's lack of really good ground options. We anti air him well and we pretty much stuff him on the ground as well. I don't really see anywhere else that has one side at a distinct advantage except maybe in edge trapping. I feel we definitely have an easier time on the ledge than Mario does, mainly due to our jump height and him having to deal with tricky RCO lag."

Hadesblade "The two biggest reasons I think we win this are how well we keep mario out, and how much earlier we kill him. We shouldn't be dying before 150 to anything besides smashes, and marios are fairly predictable. Don't throw unsafe things out at mid close range and you won't eat any smashes. One thing that EVERY mario main tries to do is jump slightly into your range, then quickly airdodge back to the ground and fsmash. If you whiff something on him during this, you'll often eat the fsmash. It's something that gets people that don't know the match up, but once you stop trying to use semi risky things against approaching marios you won't get hit by it.

If we get a stock lead in this match up its nearly over for mario. Eggs don't force him to approach, but if we get a stock lead on him then he has to. We can swat away fireball approaches with bair, or bair approaches with pivot grab. Grounded, mario doesn't have the tools to beat out our jab and pivot grab."

 

[boss8]

Deltacod - "we have a pretty solid advantage at neutral simply due to Mario's lack of really good ground options. We anti air him well and we pretty much stuff him on the ground as well. I don't really see anywhere else that has one side at a distinct advantage except maybe in edge trapping. I feel we definitely have an easier time on the ledge than Mario does, mainly due to our jump height and him having to deal with tricky RCO lag."

Hadesblade "The two biggest reasons I think we win this are how well we keep mario out, and how much earlier we kill him. We shouldn't be dying before 150 to anything besides smashes, and marios are fairly predictable. Don't throw unsafe things out at mid close range and you won't eat any smashes. One thing that EVERY mario main tries to do is jump slightly into your range, then quickly airdodge back to the ground and fsmash. If you whiff something on him during this, you'll often eat the fsmash. It's something that gets people that don't know the match up, but once you stop trying to use semi risky things against approaching marios you won't get hit by it.

If we get a stock lead in this match up its nearly over for mario. Eggs don't force him to approach, but if we get a stock lead on him then he has to. We can swat away fireball approaches with bair, or bair approaches with pivot grab. Grounded, mario doesn't have the tools to beat out our jab and pivot grab."

idk man i fought polt and i kinda just played it out smart....dnt really see a yoshi doing to much to a safe/smart mario...

 

[Inferno3044]

Mario v yoshi

Pros:
-easy edgeguard (cape/fludd trixies)
-easy to combo,his weight
-fireballs make it hard for yoshi to approach
-cape eggs back at him

Cons:
-his pivot grab (yea yea we knw)
-he has a decent jab mixup game
-eggs do about 9 dmg if they hit you O__o
-Resistance (off his 2nd jump)
-edge egg camp >__>


i think mario has this one 55-45

just not by alot...

I would agree with this. Yoshi definitely needs to know how to get out of cape tricks or gimping them is easy. I did that to Delta quite a bit until he found out what to do. Yoshi can just jab the fireball and sit there to avoid approaching. Delta tends to do this against me to avoid approaching. If you fireball approach too close then he can run under and Usmash. To counter this, I approach with grounded fireballs because the fireball still beats pivot grab and it makes jabbing them less safe. Yoshi has a couple egg traps to look out for like throwing an egg at you while you're landing to bait an airdodge and hit you with Uair. Also egg camping is a pain. To avoid the annoying ledge egg camping, I tend to move away from the ledge and let him get back on stage. Don't lose stage presence though. We kill at around the same percents, but Yoshi has better setups.

55:45 Mario or even. Definitely can go either way.

 

[vato_break]

Explain further about the gimp trixsies. They also say mario has a way harder time in killing, which i can probably see too.

 

[Inferno3044]

Delta's stuff sounds about right talking about how Mario is easily anti-aired and his lack of ground options. Mario uses momentum and has better combos than Yoshi and it's not difficult to do so. Something to give Mario a plus is that Yoshi has no CG on him and his throws aren't very damaging. Honestly I haven't played Delta since he's been able to take out some really good names. I'll try playing him over my thanksgiving break.

With Hadesblade, Mario and Yoshi are gonna die around the same percents. I can easily see Mario living to 150% vs. Yoshi if you play safe. They both have punishers to kill at lower percents, but killing is about even. Just be able to avoid being easily anti-aired and you shouldn't have too many problems. Also do Mario mains really do that airdodge thing, because I don't. Also please use bair to swat fireballs instead of jab because it's so much easier to punish. As for what beats jab and pivot grab on the ground, grounded fireball does a decent job at that.

 

[Flameleon]

-WE USE YOSHIES JUST TO GET AN EXTRA JUMP WHEN WE'RE GONNA FALL IN A PITFALL...haha

now, being serious, Mario vs Yoshi is somewhat even, he and we don't have a clearly advantage over each other, so, it depends on many factors that will determine the outcome of the match. In my experience, i see Yoshi as a normal MU, where we can play anyway we want but they can do the same too, so, everything is decided on the battlefield...

Btw, i like Yoshies, they're good pals, hehe...-

 

[Coolwhip]

All this talk makes me wanna play some yoshis now.

 

[2fast]

WE CRUSH YOSHI, 60:40 mario advantage. The basic things are we cape the eggs so he can't camp. We crush every approach of his with an up-b which goes through b-air and everything he has. Grounded fireball spacing makes it so he can't grab us ever. We can gimp him fairly easily as well. This is just a basic overview of the MU. I would put the MU at +3 for me but to be fair I'll put it at +2 for all the Marios.

I can argue about this MU all day since it is literally my best MU with Mario out there. Me and my friend Smokey be goin at it with Mario vs Yoshi a lot. He completely agrees with me on the MU as well. The point is to make Yoshi approach you with proper grounded fireball spacing and knock him away with up-b. You just need to react to the startup of his moves like b-air and such and just up-b them away.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

lmao

Mario making Yoshi approach.

Don't make me laugh.

Also I'd love to see you try Up-B shenangans against me, lol. You'll learn just how hard Yoshi can punish.

 

[2fast]

I'll accept MMs all day against Yoshis. Yoshi can't make Mario approach at all. Fireballs beat eggs, Yoshis got nothing to make Mario approach. A long with fludd beats eggs lmao we can push yoshi off the stage if he's trying to camp on one side.

I'm probably about to spark a pretty big arguement here.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Lol, if you can't get a lead, then hell yes you have to approach.

And if you're going to Apex, $20 bo5, let's go.

 

[Inferno3044]

I'll have Delta look at this when he signs on aim/fb. He will probably want to MM you.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Heh, I'd MM anyways.

Speaking of which, would any Mario's be down to MM at Apex? When I'm not using Dedede I love the MU.

 

[2fast]

Lol, if you can't get a lead, then hell yes you have to approach.

And if you're going to Apex, $20 bo5, let's go.

I'm not 100% sure if I'm going to Apex but after I see how I do at the next MD/VA tourney I'll decide if I should go but if I do I'll happilly accept this.

I'll have Delta look at this when he signs on aim/fb. He will probably want to MM you.

I'll take any yoshi, even the top.

I'll MM any yoshi any price. If a Yoshi wants to come and MM me for $100 I would accept it. I'm that confident. I'll get matches recorded and show you guys how bad I believe the MU is.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

$100 MM, best of however many legal stages there are, on every legal stage.