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Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask

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Personally my favorite game in the series, Majora's Mask is by far one the more unique. Though this originally went in the Ocarina of Time thread, the game's play too differently to be crammed into the same thread together (despite featuring the same Link).

This game is brilliant - I don't know why we haven't seen the return of a time limit in Zelda games before, albeit it would have to be altered to fit a new storyline. The masks opened up an entire new depth to the game (and the bunny hood helped a lot, seeing as Epona wasn't available for the most part).

This all isn't mentioning how well written the game is, and how even the generic townsfolk evolve. It features what is arguably the most dark story in the series, as the ominous moon lurking just above Clock Town serves as a constant reminder of the impending apocalypse.

In other words, Majora's Mask is a brilliant game. If you haven't played it yet, then play it! Discuss Majora's Mask here.

Read this please: http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-message-of-majoras-mask/
 

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I love Majora's mask. The game was very interesting with the 3 day cycle, the masks were awesome, especially the Fierce Diety Mask and I loved how you had different sidequests to do in order to get the mask(like the sidequest you had to do in order to get the Circus Leader's mask) and the music, I love the music.
 

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I thought it was funny how useless the Bremen Mask was, once you got the bunny hood by using it. Yet, despite it's uselessness, it did what is possibly the most epic thing in the game - Link marching around while playing epic music? Yes please!

The Blast Mask was pretty good too, despite that it hurt you. Good replacement for when your bombs ran out.
 

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Yeah, the Bremen Mask was pretty funny but I enjoyed the Kamaro Mask even more,the Romani Mask was the most hardest mask for me to get but how to get it was exciting, especially on the 1st day(alien invasion?).

I like using the Blast Mask just to see what I can hurt :urg:, In my opinion, the Don Gero Mask was the most useless one after you get the heart.
 

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I get a LITTLE wrapped up in a game last night and work a LITTLE double shift today and you go and make the MM thread in place of me. Fine, i don't want to be your friend anyway :mad:

anyways, here http://www.zeldainformer.com/2008/05/the-message-of-majoras-mask.php is the link I wanted to discuss. It's a bit of a long read but if you're a MM Fanboy(like me) you'll enjoy it.
 

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True. Just hit block after you "explode" and you have an infinite supply of bombs.

I loved how dark and mysterious the game was. From the horse murdering to the constantly dying people to the dead deku butler's son, to the four ominous giants (Oath to Order is an AMAAZZINNNGG song) to the scary-in-an-overly-happy-way Happy Mask Salesman to the moon children to the Majora's Mask itself.

What a wonderful wonderful game.
 

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True. Just hit block after you "explode" and you have an infinite supply of bombs.

I loved how dark and mysterious the game was. From the horse murdering to the constantly dying people to the dead deku butler's son, to the four ominous giants (Oath to Order is an AMAAZZINNNGG song) to the scary-in-an-overly-happy-way Happy Mask Salesman to the moon children to the Majora's Mask itself.

What a wonderful wonderful game.
Horse Murdering 0_o? I don't remember that part of the game.
I get a LITTLE wrapped up in a game last night and work a LITTLE double shift today and you go and make the MM thread in place of me. Fine, i don't want to be your friend anyway :mad:

anyways, here http://www.zeldainformer.com/2008/05/the-message-of-majoras-mask.php is the link I wanted to discuss. It's a bit of a long read but if you're a MM Fanboy(like me) you'll enjoy it.
I read the beginning, great read so far, I'm going to finish the rest tomorrow.
 

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I get a LITTLE wrapped up in a game last night and work a LITTLE double shift today and you go and make the MM thread in place of me. Fine, i don't want to be your friend anyway :mad:

anyways, here http://www.zeldainformer.com/2008/05/the-message-of-majoras-mask.php is the link I wanted to discuss. It's a bit of a long read but if you're a MM Fanboy(like me) you'll enjoy it.
Ooh, I love that article. I remember reading it about a year ago when it came out. It's well worth the read and it poses some very interesting and plausible theories about the history of Termina.

I still think they should make a prequel to Majora's Mask that takes place in Termina, where you play as Fierce Deity Link and fight Majora. In the end both of you could be transformed into masks. Should be epic

Horse Murdering 0_o? I don't remember that part of the game.
A while ago Sinking came up with the theory that when Skull Kid said "That horse doesn't listen to a word said to it, so I did you a favor and got rid of it!" he literally meant that he killed the horse, not that he gave the horse to a loving farm.

The Epona in the Ranch is believed to be a Termina counterpart of the Hyrule Epona, just as Termina has a counterpart for every other character.
 

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one of my favorite games ever, the use of the time system to bring termina to life was brilliant and I wish they would use it again, MM had a fantastic sense of atmosphere and is fascinatingly morbid for a zelda game. stone tower temple and great bay temple are two of my favorite dungeons in the series but where the game really shined was its overworld that was full of quests that followed 3 days of peoples lives, where other games have simple day/night cycles this game was truly four dimensional. also the last game to feature the ocarina and improve on it with the masks to use other instruments! the baton and wolf howling didn't really do it for me and didn't affect gameplay as much(TP especially, like wtf no way to change day/night...). feirce deity link is retardedly badass and whoever said he should have his own game taking place in termina's past is ****ing right, termina should be revisited.

in conclusion, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Mf2mp6fms
 

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I am currently playing this on the VC. Haven't had much time latley for it i'm up to the goron place. Haven't even entered the second temple yet. But so far it's been fun.
 

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A while ago Sinking came up with the theory that when Skull Kid said "That horse doesn't listen to a word said to it, so I did you a favor and got rid of it!" he literally meant that he killed the horse, not that he gave the horse to a loving farm.

The Epona in the Ranch is believed to be a Termina counterpart of the Hyrule Epona, just as Termina has a counterpart for every other character.
It makes sense to me because the Ranch girl never seems to mention that this horse of hers just magically arrived at her ranch within 24 hours of you showing up. It also explains why "Epona" doesn't recognize you when you meet her, and why you have to teach her Epona's song again. It seems that only people from Hyrule Market and Lon Lon Ranch in Hyrule have Terminian counterparts, so it's likely that there is more than one Epona.

Like I said in another post somewhere, I just can't picture the Skull Kid (the one possessed by a mask of pure evil) would take the time to send Epona off to a happy little ranch because he cares so deeply for the welfare of animals and your pets.
 

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Once I start playing Majora's mask I can't stop.
It's an amazing game.
 

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Yeah I agree with your theory, Sinking, in case I didn't make that clear. It makes a lot more sense than any other alternative.
 

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I agree that MM is a brilliant game, and the best of the series. While OoT trumps it in terms of scale and epic feeling, MM shines in its characterization. Whereas NPCs in other Zelda games just feel like filler, everyone had a story in MM, and that adds alot of weight to the game, because you know that someone is going to have an unhappy ending even if you save the town. You can't help Kafei and save Romani Ranch at the same time; you have to choose.

That feeling of choice and consequence is what I love about MM. And no matter how you cut it, it's a very sad game, from the Skull Kid's story to even the little things, like the carnival performers and the dead Zora singer. There is no "happily ever after" for all the characters, and that sets this game apart from the others. I think it makes it that much better.

EDIT- Someone on another forum explained why they love Majora's Mask, and they did a far better job than I ever could:

To me the biggest part of this game, and the reason it's my favorite of the series, is the overwhelming sense of not belonging. You're a stranger there, it's not your world. Nothing is how it should be. It's rather subtle in general, but it's just different enough to make you feel paranoid. It's a haunting game, and all the more beautiful for it. You go through the game, resetting the days so often that you become very detached from everything. Nothing you do matters. None of the interactions you experience with the characters will be remembered. You meet them again and again, watching them go about their daily business. The town mayor caught in between two groups bickering about the festival. The gang of kids laughing and playing as the world ends. The town guards solemnly standing at their posts as the moon falls on their city and consumes all in flame. The girls from the farm devastated after aliens kidnap their cows and destroy their livelihood. The sorrowful bride-to-be reunited with her transformed lover, happy enough just to be finally together even though they both will die in an hour.

And then, you play a song. And it all begins again. They don't remember anything. The carpenters go back to complaining. The postman makes his rounds. All are oblivious. But you, you remember everything. The silent protector of the world, forced to relive these tragedies again and again.
 

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I get a LITTLE wrapped up in a game last night and work a LITTLE double shift today and you go and make the MM thread in place of me. Fine, i don't want to be your friend anyway :mad:

anyways, here http://www.zeldainformer.com/2008/05/the-message-of-majoras-mask.php is the link I wanted to discuss. It's a bit of a long read but if you're a MM Fanboy(like me) you'll enjoy it.
For the most part, I agree with what the article is saying (though having the phallic pillars... Despite that I see it, I don't really see it. I don't think that's something they would put in a Zelda game, regardless of how subtle) on nearly every point. I like how unlike most theories like this, they combine both pictures from in-game areas and quotes from characters in the game. Most theories do one or the other - not both.

I have to say that I'm convinced. I think I've seen it before, actually, but just hadn't read it. Glad you showed it to me.

@Jam:

I think that's a major part of what made the game so good to me. Even something as trivial as talking to the NPCs was significant. Everybody had their own story, and were unknowingly constantly repeating it. Not to mention that the gameplay itself has excelled beyond any other Zelda, but that should go without saying.
 

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I just beat the game (again). I orgasmed (again). The part that hit me the most is the end of the Anju and Kafei quest when theres less than a minute left and they say they'll wait in the room until morning the next day. Its just to ****ing sad.

Also, can I speak for everyone when I say Gyorg is the hardest efing boss ever? All the others were a sinch but holy crap. Two fairies and 1 1/4 hearts left?
 

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But it was based so heavily on OoT. If it weren't for OoT, MM would have never happened, or at least not have been as great as it was.
That's like saying that if Pong never happened, Mario wouldn't have happened. It's probably true, but you'd be stupid for saying that Pong was better than Mario.

Of course, calling somebody stupid for liking OoT better than MM isn't good. Like Pong more than Mario is stupid because Pong was the first. It has completely been surpassed. OoT and MM are very similar, and really, liking one or the other just comes down to personal preference. Just saying that the argument used in this specific case was quite silly.
 

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So, I need to get to Great Bay, but I need a horse to cross.
The ranch is only accessible on the last day, but by then I cannot get into any event with these emo sisters. According to my notebook, There's something I need to do on the first and second day to help them, but the ranch is only accessible on day 3, I figure I need some sort of item to break the bolder myself.
Nothing I have works.
Then I figured maybe there's and owl there I can warp to.
If there is, I sure as hell couldn't find it.
Then I saw a ladder on top of the house, I found nothing useful to do with it.
The balloon I thought served some purpose, but nothing happens when I shoot it down.
Goron Link is useless, Deku Link is useless.

All I know is that I need to get to the Romani Ranch before the Third Day.
I have absolutely no idea how.
My patience is failing a test.
 

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You can get to the ocean by using the bomb jump trick. Put on the Goron mask, lay a bomb and just as it's about to explode, do a ground pound. You should be high enough that the bomb will knock you over the fence.

To destroy the bolder in front of Romani Ranch you need a Powder Keg, which you can only get by completing a test from the Big Goron after you complete Snowhead Temple.

The ladder on top of the house is to give you better positioning for when you have to fend of the spoilers:
aliens

Goron Link is the fastest mode of travel in the game.

Deku Link is useless.



And now for something completely different. I've always sort of wondered about the world of Termina and what it really is. It's obviously NOT Hyrule, but everyone who exists there also simultaneously exists in Hyrule. This leads me to believe that perhaps Termina is an alternate version of Hyrule, a different dimension on a shifted wavelength as it were. There's quite a bit of evidence in the beginning of the game that could support this. When link falls off the cliff he seems to fall much further than the cliff's height would suggest and as you follow Skull Kid down the tunnel to Clock Town there's a warp in reality. And even before that warp there just seems to be something wrong with the area you're in. Why are there tree's surrounded by nothingness sitting precariously there. What is that Deku Scrub tree and why does it look so.....in pain?

And it's definitely within Majora's power to shift dimensional planes. The Mask alone has the power to seal the 4 deities of the land and pull the moon out of the heavens, it probably wouldn't even be much to move through dimensions. Perhaps the mask wished to enter Hyrule after pulling the moon down as a way to survive. If Termina really did exist on a shifted plane from Hyrule it would explain why everyone has a double, and why everything seems so similar yet different.

But what of Ganon, Zelda and Link? Surely if Termina has doubles of everyone else they too must have some sort of doubles? I think the absence of the three has something to do with the absence of the Triforce in that land. Note that all over Hyrule you can find the Triforce emblem adorning everything, yet in Termina it doesn't seem to exist at all. It may be that Termina exists as a dimension that did not have the 3 Goddesses and instead came into being through the 4 giants. Because of this, there is no Triforce and because there is no Triforce there is no destined struggle between the Hero, The Princess and The Daemon. And even more, without the Goddesses to ordain who would rule, perhaps the Hylian Royal family would not even become royalty. Perhaps somewhere in Termina, this family does exist, but as simple farmers or merchants. Perhaps you met them IN Termina, but did not recognize them as normal civilians.

And Ganon as well may be a simple merchant(although it's more likely he would be a thief or pirate if the Gerudo's doubles are any indication) It is even very likely that the Ganon of this world died just before you entered Termina, just as his Hylian Double would have had he not had the power of the Triforce. Or even more, perhaps he would have died long ago like the Hylian Ganon would have in his first fateful encounter with Link. As the Ganon of the Hylian world is only reborn due to the power of the Triforce it is entirely possible that the Ganon of Termina was born many years earlier and has already ceased to exist. This is of course only if the lives of the Termina populace really are connected to those of the Hylians. But still, Ganon, the evil King of Thieves from Hyrule would be no worse than Sakon in the world of Termina, and without the omnipotent power of the Triforce of Power he would one day wither and die.

And what of Link? Surely there could not be two links in the same universe at once right? I believe that the Link of Termina, if he ever did exist, is long dead by the time you arrive. Just like Ganon and Zelda, Link is a player in the Triforces tale of struggle, reborn every time the land of Hyrule is threatened. However in Termina, no such threat existed, Ganon did not steal the Sacred Power of the land and as such, did not gain immortality. And because of this, the powers of the land did not see fit to reincarnate the Hero who would stop him every time he would rise. Link was a simple farm boy who lived a simple life and died a simple death.

There are other indicators as well. Note that in Termina, the only Goddesses power you can call upon is that of the Goddess of Time. The three Goddesses of Hyrule represent Courage, Power and Wisdom and created the land of Hyrule itself, but only the Goddess of Time would exist in other worlds, as time is not restricted to a single world. This may be why Link can't call upon the powers of the Goddesses like he did in Hyrule with Nyaru's Love, Farore's Wind and Din's Fire. The only power he can call upon is that of the Goddess of Time's in an attempt to right the wrongs of the Daemon Mask in the small amount of time he was given.

And there was one more piece of evidence, one that struck me particularly. The Happy Mask Salesman himself. Of all the people in the entirety of Termina, he is the only one who does not seem to be a double but rather the same salesman you met in Hyrule. It seems strange but it may be that he too has some sort of power that let's him travel between dimensions like that of Majora's Mask. It would explain how he was capable of simply appearing out of nowhere when you first entered the Clock Tower and how he is subsequently able to disappear as the game ends. And let's not forget, he is the one who taught you the Song of Healing, a song with powers that seem exceptionally great in the land of Termina. The question of how he does this still lingers though. Where did his power come from? It's obvious he had these powers even before Majora's Mask was set free as he himself was the one who broke the seal upon it. Should an item of Majora's Mask omnipotent power ever be sealed, the seal placed upon it would surely not easily be broken. I believe the Mask Salesman does not truly exist. I believe him to be the will of the masks he collects given physical form. It is obvious from Termina alone that the masks he collects have some sort of powers and even retain the mind, body and souls of certain beings. Perhaps his power is that of the Masks' who seek to further find and collect more. This would explain his extreme need to once again attain Majora's Mask, as just by having it his powers would grow without actually having to wear it and give in to it's sinister nature. It would also explain why he does not exist in the world of Termina, as he does not truly exist at all. Not in Termina, not in Hyrule, not in any world out there. He's simply a phantom, a ghost who's only purpose is to collect more masks.
 

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Wow, big wall of text.. Took me a while to read.. I'm going to be completely ignorant and insert my thoughts on a few of your walls.

About your "Termina is not Hyrule" subject, that is correct. Termina may not be the lushous world of Hyrule but it IS a parallel dimension believe it or not (confirmed by Nintendo). This not stated directly in the games but at the end of Oot after Link is reverted to his childhood self to re-live his missed seven years, he leaves the land of Hyrule and returns to Kokori forest. This is where MM picks up. My only explanation for MM's Kokori Forest looking empty and different is this was one of Nintendo's many attempts to improve graphics. Now, at the beggining, Skullkid jacks Links Orcarina of Time and Epona (killing her later, which is the explanation for the "Epona" you meet later, the "double" as you described), THIS IS THE SAME SKULL KID FROM OoT (at the end he recognizes your scent). Link sets chase which leads him to the dramatic fall. This drop into the black darkness was the shift in dimensions; Link has now entered the parallel universe of Termina.

If your talking about the Deku Scrub tree at the beginning in the area where you fly around get the Deku Nuts,
That is the Deku Butlers child, it was turned into the tree by Majora's powers. You see the butler moarning his child in the credits. You only see this if you did his side-quest race thing.

As for your explanation on Link, Zelda, and Ganon's doubles missing, its very iffy but well thought out. For Ganon, my explanation is he DOES have a double, Sakon. It would be difficult to believe but the only link I see between them is they are both theives. Ganon is not only the "King of Evil" but also the "King of Theives." Sakon obviously is the primary thief in MM as seen in Anju and Kafei's side-quest (stealing/selling the bag of bombs and attampting to steal the "Sun's Mask"). As for Zelda and Link, I can't think of anything but I don't want to believe they were just citizens who died off.

Your idea about the Happy mask salesman, its pretty accurate actually. He is a ghost. This is seen just before the credits when he tells link about "goodbyes" and vanishes into the air. Your thought about him being the will of the masks seems pretty logical. I'd have to agree he is the manifestation of the masks. He's probably the ghost of the Mask Salesman from Oot.
 

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Oh, the Goht mask for defeating the boss, right? No, you don't need to redo Snowhead. To get into the ranch, which is your next step, you need a powder keg. The best thing to do, for me anyway, is to, when you start a new set of 3 days, to go get 100? rupees, or whatever the cost, buy a powder keg from the bomb store Goron, and blow up the rock outside of the ranch. Then, you're in. You should be able to pretty easily get young Malon, or whatever her name is, to teach you Epona's song. It's up to you whether you want to do the rest of the ranch stuff now, or go to Great Bay and deal with the ranch later.
 

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THIS IS THE SAME SKULL KID FROM OoT (at the end he recognizes your scent).
This can't be true actually as the Story Anju's grandmother tells you speaks of the Skull kid being there in Termina far before the game begins.

If your talking about the Deku Scrub tree at the beginning in the area where you fly around get the Deku Nuts, That is the Deku Butlers child, it was turned into the tree by Majora's powers. You see the butler moarning his child in the credits. You only see this if you did his side-quest race thing.
****. I knew something seemed odd when that thought popped into my head. I thought to myself "Im almost certain that was explained at one point or another." That's what I get.

For Ganon, my explanation is he DOES have a double, Sakon.
The problem with this is that Sakon already has a double, the prancing man in Hyrule Castle Town.

Once again I'd like to point out that Zelda, Link and Ganon only exist because of the Triforce. Their lives are bound to each other through it which is why whenever the story of the Triforce unfolds again, they too must be there to be the players. In a world with no Triforce what necessity would there be for these three people?

The mask knuxrouge speaks of is Goht's Remains, the mask of the Snowhead temple boss.

If you went back in time before getting the Powder Keg then yes, you will have to go back to Snowhead. Luckily you'll be able to warp straight to the boss and fight him right away. After that do the mission for the powder keg and then win the Race it unlocks to get Gold Dust. Use the gold dust to get the Gilded Sword. This is done by having your kokiri sword reforged on day one to get the Razor Sword, then having that Razor Sword reforged on day two(obtaining the Gilded Sword on day 3) When you go back in time the Gilded Sword will remain.
 

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I love that quest that you have to do to get Epona. It's a little bit annoying because you have to constantly watch everything for a good 10 minutes, but it is a fun target practice! I wont spoil it for you, even though you might already know what it is.
 

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Finished my previous post (I had to leave midway through typing it..)

This can't be true actually as the Story Anju's grandmother tells you speaks of the Skull kid being there in Termina far before the game begins.

Apparently you didn't read the second part of the sentence... He recognizes your scent, he smells you and realizes your the "kid from the forest." Also, not much is known about the origins of the Skull-children themselves, so it's easily possible to assume he can travel between these two parallel worlds at will.


****. I knew something seemed odd when that thought popped into my head. I thought to myself "Im almost certain that was explained at one point or another." That's what I get.

Yeah that part was pretty sad when I learned about it.



The problem with this is that Sakon already has a double, the prancing man in Hyrule Castle Town.

Ah, forgot about that. Well then I have no explanation for their doubles, but I still refuse to believe they were just characters that died off.
Forgot to mention but at the very end of Majora's Mask, you see Link riding away on his horse. It's incredible small but I think theres a possiblity this is where Twilight Princess follows up.
 

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And it was incredibly epic and awesome. Defending the ranch is one of my favorite parts of the game, along with Goht, Goron racing, and Fierce Deity Mask **** time.
 

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Finished my previous post (I had to leave midway through typing it..)



Forgot to mention but at the very end of Majora's Mask, you see Link riding away on his horse. It's incredible small but I think theres a possiblity this is where Twilight Princess follows up.
Yeah, what he said...

THe skull kid is the same character in all 3 games:

Tp, OoT, and TP...

One explination could be he is a creature that originated in Termina but found his way into Hyrule.
 

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Oh, the Goht mask for defeating the boss, right? No, you don't need to redo Snowhead. To get into the ranch, which is your next step, you need a powder keg. The best thing to do, for me anyway, is to, when you start a new set of 3 days, to go get 100? rupees, or whatever the cost, buy a powder keg from the bomb store Goron, and blow up the rock outside of the ranch. Then, you're in. You should be able to pretty easily get young Malon, or whatever her name is, to teach you Epona's song. It's up to you whether you want to do the rest of the ranch stuff now, or go to Great Bay and deal with the ranch later.
I went to the mountain, but everything is Snowed over again and the Keg Power shop is blocked by Ice.
I'm gonna be pissed if I actually have to do Snowhead again.
 

etecoon

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I went to the mountain, but everything is Snowed over again and the Keg Power shop is blocked by Ice.
I'm gonna be pissed if I actually have to do Snowhead again.
you can face the boss again without doing the whole dungeon and then it melts
 

Azure Flame

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Knux, go into a dictionary a learn the definition of patient... No, you don't have to do the Snowhead temple again, or any of the events leading up to the temple. Just warp there, enter the temple then stand on the Majora tablet to warp straight to the boss battle. The explanation for doing bosses multiple times is simple, you went back to the beginning of the 3 days, unless you killed the boss before the game started, every time you go back you haven't killed the boss. You litterally need to beat the Goht atleast 3 times in order to beat the game 100%.

Goht takes no more than a minute to kill. Just warp to him. Kill him. Go talk to the Goron in the cave to obtain your first Keg blow up the boulder, talk to the Goron again. He'll say you're worthy of useing the kegs. Any time after, talk to the Goron in Clock Town's Bomb Shop and he'll sell you one for 100 Rupees. Hope this helps, I can't be any clearer.

@Scott!: Protecting the ranch was annoying, Goht was to easy, the Goron raceing was pretty entertaining, and Fierce Diety is only fun outside of boss battles. It's entertaining to see what new places you can climb on and where you can't go because your to tall. If it wasn't for his targeted stab attacked, he can't down the beginning hill in the bomber hideout because his head is stuck in the ceiling, you have to stab your way down because it moves him forward and he ducks when doing it.
 

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Bird Law Aficionado
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Majora's Mask is actually gonna be the very first Zelda game I play.

I think I might sit down and really try to get through it this time instead of ignoring it and playing something else. I'll write out my experiences and opinions as I go. I was gonna make my own thread about it, but since Skyler already made this, I figure I'll just post my adventures here.
 
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