Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Lore]

ik but nabe, if i have to say anything about his skill level, is ****ing amazing at making himself look innocuous when he's due for a lynch. its fooled me time and time and time again. he just knows what to say to appear townie as ****.

i agree that raz is scummier than nabe based on play but there are several setup hicups I cant ignore wrt both of them and ill be damned if i let nabe get away again.

Fair enough. However, I've never had any experiences with him, so I have to judge him based on the here and now. I'm thinking that you're letting your personal experiences color your actions here.

And yes, Raz is scummier than Nabe based on play, and he's also more suspicious when you take his role into account. He's just overall a better lynch than Nabe if we're going for hitting scum.

 

[Dabuz]

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I'm lost. What are you trying to say here? That if Nabe were independent then he wouldn't have been given a safeclaim? I'm not understanding why anything you just said would make Nabe any less likely to be indie as opposed to mafia.[/Qoute]

I'm saying ??? looks like a fake claim. I know indie could get a fakeclaim, but im not seeing Nabe as an indie.

So you think Acrostic is most likely independent? Or you just think he's scummy and he could be independent?

Both, J's slot gave me scum feeling, based on the previous discussions, Acrostic looks like poisoner which could be indie. Poisoner could also be mafia, so I think he is scummy and most likely to be indie

If we lynch the Abductor, then that means less players go missing. Lynching any indie does not necessarily have that effect. Unless you want to give me a good reason to believe that Raziek is the Abductor, this point is moot. You're conflating the idea of being indie with the idea of being the Abductor. You are throwing out the idea that Raziek could be independent and leaping over logic to say that he could also be the Abductor without providing any additional evidence. What makes you think Raziek is the Abductor?

Ok, your right, definite fail on my part, I did not mean to imply Raziek is abductor, it doesn't make sense to me with his current powers. Doesn't change the fact that his role does not seem towny to me, maybe he is mafia? So, change that to "Raziek power's are more anti-town than pro town". Also, he encouraged the idea of reducing the Day to show his power and made it seem pro-town because he was clearing himself. Ugh, i'm actually gonna take back my suspicion of indy Raziek, Indie's generally have more powerful powers, example: Abduction or Poisoning. So, we have two days left, either we should lynch acrostic or build up a Raziek wagon IMO.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I don't even know what you guys are doing anymore.

 

[Raziek]

Think for a moment about what lynching me gives you. NOTHING. You don't 100% clear anyone, Werekill dies if he's telling the truth, and then you've still got Nabe and Acrostic to deal with as question marks.

There's no sense in lynching me.

 

[Inferno3044]

We need to stop scrambling. I don't like how nabe is using AtE to get out of this and I have taken note of it. I think either him or acrostic should be lynched. They both seem scummy to me but we can't just plan for today. We need to plan for future days as well. I doubt anyone is on nabe only for information. You always want to try and get scum but you should try and get scum plus plan the next move. Nabe's lynch does that. I think he is scum which will most likely clear WK and nail T-block scum. If it ends up in a ML then circus and RR are cleared.

 

[Circus]

And if you're basing that vote, Jerkus, around the fact that Xas said "lets lynch OS" right before deadline you're just straight up ********. Not only was another lynch completely impossible at that point, Xas had a way worse claim than you and he knew it. Anything he proposed was going to end with him dying so he ****ing threw a random name in there to create WIFOM. Besides the fact that he would never have the balls to do that with his actual scummate which should lean me away from it, at worst its a null tell because its a ****ing null tell.

Exactly. The swing was never actually going to happen, so he could have thrown out a scumbuddy. It would be stupid for me to assume he picked OS for any reason other than the fact that he was his scumbuddy. I get why you would argue otherwise, but to any sane townie, it makes sense to see it as a distancing move. You don't just pick a specific name like that out of nowhere for no reason when you're scum.

But you're somewhat right. On it's own, it's not enough to lynch you on, which is why I didn't just go ape **** at OS at the beginning of D2. But when it's paired with the way T-block interacted with him and Xasty and the hella grimy way OS declared himself obvtown based on the sheer fact that he was replacing out makes me super cool with killing your slot. It's nothing personal.

I'm not getting lynched toDay. That would be the single biggest waste of an entire Day ****ing ever. I even started reading the thread last night in full since Nabe kept asking for it and I'm already on page ****ing 21 with notes. I will not be lynched after all this ****ing work I'm doing, are you out of your mind?

Keep swearing and asking me if I'm out of my mind. It's making you look really innocent right now.

ik but nabe, if i have to say anything about his skill level, is ****ing amazing at making himself look innocuous when he's due for a lynch. its fooled me time and time and time again. he just knows what to say to appear townie as ****.

i agree that raz is scummier than nabe based on play but there are several setup hicups I cant ignore wrt both of them and ill be damned if i let nabe get away again.

I completely agree that Nabescum is skilled in this specific way. I've seen it first hand as his partner. He can make the town eat **** and convince them it's gourmet chocolate. But it sounds here like you want to lynch him just in case he's pulling it here, rather than because you actually think he is.

What exactly is the case on Nabe right now? Explain what it is that makes him "due for a lynch."

I don't even know what you guys are doing anymore.

But I know what you're doing—nothing.

Also, good to know that you think of "us" as separate from "you."

I'm saying ??? looks like a fake claim. I know indie could get a fakeclaim, but im not seeing Nabe as an indie.

...But I'm still not seeing what it is that is specifically making you think that Nabe looks scummy but isn't indie. What kind of specifically non-indie signals are you getting from him? You just keep telling me things about him that you think are scummy, but you're not explaining what it is that is telling you that Nabe is unlikely to be independent. This is like pulling teeth.

Both, J's slot gave me scum feeling, based on the previous discussions, Acrostic looks like poisoner which could be indie. Poisoner could also be mafia, so I think he is scummy and most likely to be indie

What makes him "look like a poisoner?"

We're not lynching Raziek. Werekill, I'm not interested in rushing the Day, but if I eventually vote for Kuz, can I count on you to hammer him instead of Nabe toDay?

 

[th3kuzinator]

What do you gain from my lynch? Jack ****. Not only have OS and myself been obvtown my lynch gives you literally NOTHING when I flip vt.

Lynching Nabe will either yield us scum or clear two people and clear up plenty of setup speculation. Not only do we gain an enormous amount of information, I genuinely believe he will flip scum. And no, I'm not only trying to lynch him because he's capable of wriggling his way out of a lynch, don't put words in my mouth. I think he's scum and I want him dead and I'll be damned if I let him get away again once we've already had him by the balls. Explain to me why this rationale is wrong, Circus, and then explain where the **** my lynch even came from.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Inferno: Slight Town.

Spoiler

I think that his statements in #1607 and #1610 indicate that he was letting on that there were other possibilities to consider given his stated role of jailer which indicates that night actions could be blocked during the night:

Let's not jump to conclusions. All we know from last night's actions are that T-block got abducted and there was no NK. That's no reason to lynch him on the spot. Also please respond to my 1401.

I saw your post as "T-block was abducted and there was no NK, therefore T-block is scum." Although it does raise suspicion, it doesn't prove he's scum. Also raziek, I gave my reads as you asked and I had TB as town. @OS- what do you mean by he's not an information lynch?

List of assumptions I would make from Inferno's point of view are as follows: a. the person I jailed is scum b. the person I jailed was targeted by scum c. T-Block is scum that was stopped by the abductor. Out of a list of these following possibilities, Inferno is quick to rule out the first possibility as stated in his #1677:

I have townDabuz due to his initial case on Xastrn which I thought was very solid. I feel like that put attention on Xastrn and I don't see why scum would want to do that to another scummate D1. Maybe I gave Dabuz too much credit for it, but I currently see him as town.

If I'm correct then I believe that this case refers to dabuz's #610 and #774 which is a rational surface assumption given the length and effort put to read and response to Xastrn, both of which call him out on his play. Based on Inferno's behavior from D3 he has been consistent in maintaining his read that dabuz is town. If he were scum then he could have been opportunistic and opened the possibility of his "jailed" target being scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Exactly. The swing was never actually going to happen, so he could have thrown out a scumbuddy. It would be stupid for me to assume he picked OS for any reason other than the fact that he was his scumbuddy. I get why you would argue otherwise, but to any sane townie, it makes sense to see it as a distancing move. You don't just pick a specific name like that out of nowhere for no reason when you're scum.

It makes zero sense as a distancing move because people know that scum will do and say anything once they know they're about to get lynched to create WIFOM. Thats like the number one rule when reading back for connections, disregard everything and anything that scum say when they know they're going to be lynched.

Its all WIFOM and its null.

But you're somewhat right. On it's own, it's not enough to lynch you on, which is why I didn't just go ape **** at OS at the beginning of D2. But when it's paired with the way T-block interacted with him and Xasty and the hella grimy way OS declared himself obvtown based on the sheer fact that he was replacing out makes me super cool with killing your slot. It's nothing personal.

I don't give a **** about whether its personal or not but you're actually trying to say that the way OS replaced out is scummy? How is declaring yourself obvtown scummy? You also have not substantiated any way that T-block interacting with OS makes this slot scum. You've just said it and are hoping to ride that. Have you forgotten the blatant meat riding Xas did to OS all ****ing Day 1, just to have him switch at the last minute? Do you remember T-block arguing with Xastrn to stop meat riding OS? Does that triangle even closely resemble SvSvS? No, it doesn't.

Keep swearing and asking me if I'm out of my mind. It's making you look really innocent right now.

I will swear because I simply can't comprehend why you're being so dumb right now. And if you even dare try to take this type of reaction as a scumtell then you need to re-evaluate how you play this game as the same sort of logic led you to lynching Gheb in PF for no reason.

I completely agree that Nabescum is skilled in this specific way. I've seen it first hand as his partner. He can make the town eat **** and convince them it's gourmet chocolate. But it sounds here like you want to lynch him just in case he's pulling it here, rather than because you actually think he is.

What exactly is the case on Nabe right now? Explain what it is that makes him "due for a lynch."

Not even close. Already explained above why his lynched is the best possible solution for toDay.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Present & Alive Players:
Werekill
Circus
Inferno3044
Raziek
Red Ryu
th3kuzinator
dabuz
Nabe

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Vote: Nabe

 

[th3kuzinator]

And Circus, if we can't find who the motivator is and thus don't know for sure if Werekill is legit (and thus has a guilty on TBLOCK) why are you assessing my slot based on connections with Tblock? In reality, we have no idea what alignment he actually was so trying to draw conclusions about me being scum based on such evidence is entirely faulty.

 

[Inferno3044]

Circus you should know that the logic you said is bull****. In MMX mafia, you continuously tried to get Tery lynched even when you knew it was gonna end up being you. Good scum distances much more subtly than that. Once again I can prove that in your play by you subtly distancing me which helped me in getting as cleared as I needed in order to win.

 

[Circus]

Circus you should know that the logic you said is bull****. In MMX mafia, you continuously tried to get Tery lynched even when you knew it was gonna end up being you. Good scum distances much more subtly than that. Once again I can prove that in your play by you subtly distancing me which helped me in getting as cleared as I needed in order to win.

Who says Xastrn is good scum?

 

[Inferno3044]

Who says Xastrn is good scum?

I don't know if he is or not, but this definitely doesn't justify his lynch today.

Also I want to put something: I think the poisoner is mafia. Even though we didn't go into it today, kantrip was the NK target and not solid. Why would mafia not go for a lover? My opinion is because the poisoner already poisoned him which could explain why there was no NK on N1.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote.

I've done more homework, and I've seen that Hider can be a valid role. There goes most of my argument against Nabe. All of you guys lynching for just information need to really think hard about what a ML here could possibly mean, info or not.

Nabe's point about the fact that we are getting practically no reads on his lynch is also quite valid.

So yeah, I was mostly ripping and roaring to lynch him because of his role, but if we're going to only lynch him to clear Circus, I see no reason to put him down as our definite lynch for today. I might be ok with hopping back on his wagon, but let's stop and think for a moment.

What the **** is this? Where did this sudden spate of common sense come from?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Town to scum reads:

1. Werekill - I don't even know where to begin. Town read from his/her anger with regards to Nabe claiming cop which I feel is far too much of a bluff for scum to put that much investment into whether it be indie/mafia. Based on today is constantly pushing on a lot of different slots which strikes me as being the least logical maneuver for scum to take. Town.

2. Inferno3044 - Ugh. For reasons aforementioned, town. His behavior towards T-Block going missing and other statements lead me to believe that his power role did involve role-blocking, especially with claiming first. Has no suspicions of dabuz despite blocking him N1 and having a D1 result of no deaths. Goes with his read on dabuz over taking an opportunity with mechanics.

3. Circus - Xastrn tried to hop on his wagon to save his own hide. Probably aren't scummates. Has been pushing lynches in order to get information. I personally think he's reaction testing because I don't really agree with his case analysis at the moment. Town.

4. Raziek - Actually there is no particular reason why you should be here. I just liked putting you here based on gut. Must re-read.

5. Red Ryu - Mostly based on his gif battle with Xastrn. An argument over something so stupid and shallow that I couldn't see it possibly being done between scum partners. Still a possible indie candidate.

6. th3kuzinator - PoE. If scum then someone is faking their role and|or one of the aforementioned interactions with Xastrn was distancing between mafia partners. Must re-read before considering to lynch.

7. dabuz - PoE.

8. Nabe - PoE.

Unvote: Nabe

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Inferno is the jailer, so he's either a scum roleblocker or legit. However, either way he would have roleblocked Dabuz and cleared him, so I'm willing to pass over judging Inferno for today.

Why? What confirmation have you seen that he's the jailer?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I don't like you, and I hope you die today. <3

Vote: Werekill

 

[Circus]

It makes zero sense as a distancing move because people know that scum will do and say anything once they know they're about to get lynched to create WIFOM. Thats like the number one rule when reading back for connections, disregard everything and anything that scum say when they know they're going to be lynched.

You absolutely do not disregard what scum says when you realize they know they're getting lynched. You just analyze it in as full a context as you can.

And Xastrn and I had the same number of votes. He did not know he was going to be lynched. It was starting to tip that way, and he distanced your slot accordingly since he had managed not to do it at all that whole Day. Does it looks bad? Sure it does. Because it is bad. Dastrn is not exactly known for being able to play scum properly.

I don't give a **** about whether its personal or not but you're actually trying to say that the way OS replaced out is scummy? How is declaring yourself obvtown scummy?

It's the way he did it. "I'm replacing out of this game because I have a policy to not play stupid/bad games, but you guys know I wouldn't replace out if I was scum right? Never worry about this slot again."

That's garbage. OS was relying on us buying the idea that he loves being scum so much that the very fact that he didn't seem into the game and decided to replace out based on the mod's actions should be enough to prove him town. But it's not. Really, on it's face, it just looks like another classic OScum manipulation.

You also have not substantiated any way that T-block interacting with OS makes this slot scum. You've just said it and are hoping to ride that.

Considering how hands-off OS was for pretty much the entirety of the time that he was in this game, T-block spent a surprisingly large amount of time talking to and about him. Disproportionately so. OS managed to stay on T-block's radar in a way that he did not for most of the rest of the roster, it seems. It's almost as if he was going out of his way to make it look like he didn't have any private communication with him.

Have you forgotten the blatant meat riding Xas did to OS all ****ing Day 1, just to have him switch at the last minute? Do you remember T-block arguing with Xastrn to stop meat riding OS? Does that triangle even closely resemble SvSvS? No, it doesn't.

This is as much wifom as anything else.

I will swear because I simply can't comprehend why you're being so dumb right now. And if you even dare try to take this type of reaction as a scumtell then you need to re-evaluate how you play this game as the same sort of logic led you to lynching Gheb in PF for no reason.

Nice job bringing up a bad moment in my scumhunting history and conflating it with an entirely different scenario. We both know that what's happening here is not nearly the same as what happened with me and Gheb in that game. We also both know that Gheb played like a totally scummy *** on D4 of that game.

Not even close. Already explained above why his lynched is the best possible solution for toDay.

Humor me and explain it again.

Also I want to put something: I think the poisoner is mafia. Even though we didn't go into it today, kantrip was the NK target and not solid. Why would mafia not go for a lover? My opinion is because the poisoner already poisoned him which could explain why there was no NK on N1.

I agree that the poisoner is probably mafia. But the poisoner being mafia does not explain the lack of NK on N1.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You absolutely do not disregard what scum says when you realize they know they're getting lynched. You just analyze it in as full a context as you can.

......................................................

I thought you were good at mafia.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I am very cool with the complements my play is receiving, super boost to the ol' self-esteem. :D

Unless the lynch toDay is WK, it needs to be me, due to suspicions people have built at this point surrounding my role. Again, I've made this incredibly plain, and people are getting away what I've asked, which is responding to my questions.

WK's recent switch from my lynch looks purely like an attempt at redeeming his condition prior to my lynch -- which he will flip back to before the end of the Day. Don't let this kid slip toMorrow.

 

[th3kuzinator]

God like I want to just go at that response in full but there's just so many things wrong with it that I don't even.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

away from what I've asked*

 

[th3kuzinator]

Did Werekill crumb cop? When was the first time he reacted strangely to someone claiming an investigative? Did he crumb that T-block was guilty?

 

[Circus]

......................................................

I thought you were good at mafia.

You are seriously telling me that the best thing to do in a situation in which scum are on the ropes is to ignore what they say. Whatever it is. And you're insulting my play.

The more you talk past my points and choose to attack me as a player instead, the more transparent you become.

 

[Inferno3044]

Did Werekill crumb cop? When was the first time he reacted strangely to someone claiming an investigative? Did he crumb that T-block was guilty?

I don't remember exactly but I remember him not reacting kindly to nabe's investigative claim

 

[th3kuzinator]

You are seriously telling me that the best thing to do in a situation in which scum are on the ropes is to ignore what they say. Whatever it is. And you're insulting my play.

The more you talk past my points and choose to attack me as a player instead, the more transparent you become.

Not to be that guy but every single player you've ever latched onto in every recent game I've read with you in it has turned out to be town. Here is no exception.

You should start changing the criteria you use to evaluate players because its really not working for you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

When a scummate knows he's in the **** and he's about to go down he will do and say anything and everything to confuse people after his flip.

He will not make logical statements that reflect his alignment or players connected to his alignment because he has no reason to. The only thing on his mind is to confuse everyone else post flip. None of what he says can be taken with any legitimacy and if you still disagree with this then you simply don't understand scum mindset or logic.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What do you gain from my lynch? Jack ****. Not only have OS and myself been obvtown my lynch gives you literally NOTHING when I flip vt.

Lynching Nabe will either yield us scum or clear two people and clear up plenty of setup speculation. Not only do we gain an enormous amount of information, I genuinely believe he will flip scum. And no, I'm not only trying to lynch him because he's capable of wriggling his way out of a lynch, don't put words in my mouth. I think he's scum and I want him dead and I'll be damned if I let him get away again once we've already had him by the balls. Explain to me why this rationale is wrong, Circus, and then explain where the **** my lynch even came from.

In all fairness, it's not believable that you think I'm scum when you haven't given reads and reasoning, and have admitted that your vote on me is due to information and setup reasoning.

 

[Lore]

What the **** is this? Where did this sudden spate of common sense come from?

From the common sense jar, I suppose.

Why? What confirmation have you seen that he's the jailer?

None whatsoever. It just seems odd that Inferno would risk Dabuz actually being a pr as a claimed roleblock as opposed to a VT who didn't know that he was roleblocked, so I supposed that it was legitimate.

Vote: Werekill

Where did this come from?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Raziek is out of the question for me as well as Circus.

Kuzi wagon needs some serious meat to it, nothing I've read is something I am willing to lynch for, it's mostly WIFOM and reaching points.

Dabuz is possible though unlikely, the jail made me rethink him as scum. Not mafia due to his early play with Xastrn.

Werekill, I think is more likely to be town at this point, though if Nabe is town I;m still not looking fondly at him.

Inferno3044, Nabe and Acro are where I'm at atm.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Did Werekill crumb cop? When was the first time he reacted strangely to someone claiming an investigative? Did he crumb that T-block was guilty?

He crumbed, it's in his claim post from toDay. He crumbed D2, I seem to recall, but could be wrong. He first slammed me for claiming cop when I first did it D1, I don't think he had that same reaction to Ryu (but now that I think about it, didn't Ryu fakeclaim his guilty on WK? So I'm probably remembering wrong.) And he didn't crumb T-block as guilty, but he mentioned that we should look for connections with T-block on D2. Which is entirely irrelevant, since the idea is that as mafia, he already knew T-block was scum and he needed to make something of it to stay ahead with two partners gone.

 

[Lore]

I am very cool with the complements my play is receiving, super boost to the ol' self-esteem. :D

Unless the lynch toDay is WK, it needs to be me, due to suspicions people have built at this point surrounding my role. Again, I've made this incredibly plain, and people are getting away what I've asked, which is responding to my questions.

WK's recent switch from my lynch looks purely like an attempt at redeeming his condition prior to my lynch -- which he will flip back to before the end of the Day. Don't let this kid slip toMorrow.

Oh, wow. You're admitting that you want to be lynched? That's... interesting, I suppose.

And why would I switch back? I'm honestly thinking that you're not lying now.

 

[Lore]

Raziek is out of the question for me as well as Circus.

Kuzi wagon needs some serious meat to it, nothing I've read is something I am willing to lynch for, it's mostly WIFOM and reaching points.

Dabuz is possible though unlikely, the jail made me rethink him as scum. Not mafia due to his early play with Xastrn.

Werekill, I think is more likely to be town at this point, though if Nabe is town I;m still not looking fondly at him.

Inferno3044, Nabe and Acro are where I'm at atm.

Why is Raziek out of the question? His role is massively anti-town, and he has legitimately made scummy actions.

He crumbed, it's in his claim post from toDay. He crumbed D2, I seem to recall, but could be wrong. He first slammed me for claiming cop when I first did it D1, I don't think he had that same reaction to Ryu (but now that I think about it, didn't Ryu fakeclaim his guilty on WK? So I'm probably remembering wrong.) And he didn't crumb T-block as guilty, but he mentioned that we should look for connections with T-block on D2. Which is entirely irrelevant, since the idea is that as mafia, he already knew T-block was scum and he needed to make something of it to stay ahead with two partners gone.

I also already answered this once, and I'm wondering why Kuz doesn't remember it.

I actually was gone during the Ryu crap, remember? However, I DID automatically distrust him for claiming cop at all, same as you, and I admit that it was flavored by OMGUS since he had started a wagon on me out of nowhere.

I technically did crumb T-Block as guilty in the crumb post; I specifically signaled to Circus that I had gotten a guilty on Block. I also consistently said that T-Block was scum, and I started out with no real reasoning other than "gut feelings."

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

What I'm saying is that you'd switch back to me because I think you're scum. Are you saying you don't understand that that's what I'm getting at?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Can you show me your crumbs again?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Do you remember T-block arguing with Xastrn to stop meat riding OS? Does that triangle even closely resemble SvSvS? No, it doesn't.

I don't think it's very hard to see how that triangle could've been SvSvS.

 

[Inferno3044]

I don't think it's very hard to see how that triangle could've been SvSvS.

This sounds like a reach and I don't like it.

 

[X1-12]

Votecount 3.6 - [5/9] - Deadline 2nd November @ 8AM GMT

Raziek [1] - Werekill
th3kuzinator [2] - MOD, MOD
Red Ryu [0]
dabuz [0]
Nabe [2] - kuz, Raziek
Circus [0]
Werekill [1] - Nabe
Acrostic [1] - dabuz
Inferno3044 [0]

Not Voting [4] - Circus, Acrostic, Inferno, RR