Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[#HBC | J]

I already did that Solid....lol xD my big post at circus.

 

[Circus]

See the thing I'm seeing here is too weak for too easy a reason. I mean you bring up PF yet look at that game, you were wrong on 3/4 of the people you let into. (right on WL, wrong on Myself/Gheb/Choice). How should I know better when I think it's different? I found you scummy for a pretty similar reason in that game and even wanted you lynched pretty badly for what you did that game.

Your wording here is confusing me. You say you think "it's different." What is different?

You say you found me scummy in PF and my play here is similar, so that's why you think I'm scummy here. But I was town in PF, so why do you even trust that kind of meta?

And why does the correctness of my tunneling in PF impact your read on me here? I see why it may make you less convinced to be suspicious of John, I guess, but how is it actually a reflection on my alignment right now?

However it's the way you are tunnelying I'm not liking. Look at a current non-existant game and what you did there and compare it to here, different entities my good sir. To me, they don't look the same.

Then maybe you should take the advice that you yourself usually give it out and stop relying on meta. Because I could point to another game that doesn't exist, in which I was scum, and in which I feel I played very differently than I am right now. I guess I'm playing similarly to the way I did in PF, but am playing differently than I did in HP (which is what I think you're referring to), but I've flipped town in both of those games. Apparently I'm less predictable than I think I am.

A big thing for me is, I don't like your John push even after you substantiated it now. I just don't agree to it.

Okay. I think I made a compelling case, but okay. Why does that make you feel wary of me though? Do you really not even see how I could have come to the conclusion I've come to (which is not even really a "conclusion;" as I've stated before, despite the heat of my language, I expect my reads to change as the Day goes on)?

Solid is suspicious of John too, but you aren't treating him the way you're treating me. In fact, you're apparently leaning town on him. Why does he get a pass on this point and I don't?

 

[Raziek]

Raz, what do you think about John?

At the moment, not much. He still hasn't given me what I asked for, so I wait.

There you go again. "Gives you plenty", but we still don't know what that is. What does it give you, perchance? You're implying that your actions are justified without giving said justification. It's one thing to do it my way, another to do it this way.

Circus's scum flip would solidify my Town read on J, would make me feel a little more confident in NabeTown.

If he flipped Town I'd look at John/Frio more.

On that note, I don't really appreciate you (Circus) discrediting the case against you by means of "John and Frio jumped on it, it must be wrong".

Their alignment has no relevance to the content of the case.

You say outright that you've entertained the possibility that John and Frio are noobtown rather than scum. If this case on john is pressure, is the vote necessary? Intimidation isn't always needed to spur contribution, and I'm getting more of a "scum" vibe from your case than what's in the actual content, which is that he's been lurking/following other players.

Is John scum, Circus?

 

[Overswarm]

On the contrary; I think it is important and therefore I'm not going to tell it to you unless you give me a good reason to. I don't know where you would get that I don't think it's important from that post.

J did you ask me why I thought the Circus case was weak or is my brain playing tricks on me? I thought I saw it in one of your posts but now I can't find it >_>

Well you said that you would if I gave you a reason.

What if I told you I could investigate a certain race, but if I got another race I'd get the wrong alignment, thus making this a difficult power to use?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Bleh J, I'm an idiot. Here's my thoughts on that big ol case.

Agreed however there is something else that seems a bit fake in all. Let's bring up Circus was one of the people hanging around at the time of the gambit and was actively posting with RR and Xastrn about it. His posts came off as fake and trying to blend in with what was going on. The main thing that made me think this was because of the way he acted when he thought RR was actually the cop and this thing with OS as well. Both signify that he actually thought them to be true and tried to doubt them. His attitude in the beginning of being fake, matches with this post you quoted Raz.

I don't know about this it seems to me that Circus has been pretty adamant about never thinking the wagon was for real.

Side-note: In that post, he calls out Frio. I don't like that really because I don't see how anyone can get an FoS off of that post. He didn't really explain why until recently.

Things like the bolded are subjective.

Here is a big thing that set off alarm bells for me with Circus. This attack on John has not been explained yet but he is so adamant on it. I know he has said that that is just him but I still don't like it because I do know Circus a bit from his past games. He does stick to one person pretty soundly but he usually has the stuff to back up what he is pushing. The way he tunnels has support where this one is just the smoke and mirrors of it all. John has every right to vote Circus for this in my opinion because if you look at the attack, it's emptier than my wallet. ;_;

I can agree with this. But at the same time John really hadn't contributed anything before Circus went after him, so there wasn't much to build a case on. I suppose he shouldn't have built a case at that point then so yeah overall I can agree. Now that Circus has actually posted a case, how do you feel about his thoughts on John?

This is a good thing to point out. Look at the names in that list and look at their posts. They are all the same in some way, shape, or form. They are all the "newer" cast plus they have the least amount of substance in their posts. It looks like easy targets to pick out to go after especially since they all can be called out for the same thing.

True enough.

I don't get why Circus is finding what they are doing as "absolutely OMG super ****ing scummy!" because they seem more like nulls that could possibly lean another way. He looks like he is trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

This is still subjective, your reads are different from Circus'.

Circus, you come off as raving about Frio and John being opportunistic yet I don't see it and it seems very over-dramatic for the votes that have been thrown your way. Your last line of "OMG someone tell me I'm not the only one watching them!" seems desperation for someone to believe you.

I disagree here, I think John/Frio have come off as opportunistic, but I do agree that he's going pretty hard for something of that nature.

Then the rest is fine, and I can agree that Circus' response to the pressure by you and Raz hasn't been the best.

But yeah overall I just don't think it's that strong. It seems like a lot of it stems from disagreeing on John and Frio, and some subjective stuff that basically amounts to disagreements in reads. After rereading though I'm kind of split on the case, the general gist of it I disagree with but there's parts that I do agree with that make me a bit more uneasy about Circus, such as some of his assumptions and refutations of your case. I still think he's town though, at this point.

 

[Raziek]

Solid, what has Circus done to make you believe he's Town?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Well you said that you would if I gave you a reason.

No, I didn't. I said I would think about it if you gave me a good reason.

What if I told you I could investigate a certain race, but if I got another race I'd get the wrong alignment, thus making this a difficult power to use?

Then I'd tell you that you have a pretty cool role.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Solid, what has Circus done to make you believe he's Town?

It stems from the fact that we have similar views on John and that he really hasn't done anything really scummy in my opinion. Reading through the case I think there are some things that could be seen as scummy but overall it's a small amount. He's leaning town for now, but I want to see how his back and forth with you and J continues to go.

 

[Raziek]

So it's because he hasn't done anything scummy, and he shares your read on John?

That would give me a null at best, so that worries me. I've learned that someone isn't necessarily Town just because they aren't that scummy.

 

[Overswarm]

At the moment, not much. He still hasn't given me what I asked for, so I wait.

Circus's scum flip would solidify my Town read on J, would make me feel a little more confident in NabeTown.

If he flipped Town I'd look at John/Frio more.

On that note, I don't really appreciate you (Circus) discrediting the case against you by means of "John and Frio jumped on it, it must be wrong".

Their alignment has no relevance to the content of the case.

You say outright that you've entertained the possibility that John and Frio are noobtown rather than scum. If this case on john is pressure, is the vote necessary? Intimidation isn't always needed to spur contribution, and I'm getting more of a "scum" vibe from your case than what's in the actual content, which is that he's been lurking/following other players.

Is John scum, Circus?

This post reeks.

I don't think the leading role suits you, Raziek.

At the moment, not much. He still hasn't given me what I asked for, so I wait.

Why would you not give your opinion on someone at the heart of a case you're pushing on someone else?

Circus's scum flip would solidify my Town read on J, would make me feel a little more confident in NabeTown.

Why on both counts?

If he flipped Town I'd look at John/Frio more.

Why? What would Circus being town have anything to do with their alignment? This statement implies that you believe everything Circus is saying, but believe it is tainted by him being scum; those horse blinders are incredibly out of style. Either Circus' comments are correct or they aren't. You don't get to say "his comments are correct if he's town". He can be right and be scum; scum work best when they don't have to lie. But how you're wording it here implies that Circus has legitimate arguments behind him, but you're not willing to look at them until Circus flips.

If it doesn't imply that, it implies you think that you should take Circus' current voiced reads and run with them after his death, which is ever worse. That's setting up two mislynches if you're scum.

On that note, I don't really appreciate you (Circus) discrediting the case against you by means of "John and Frio jumped on it, it must be wrong".

Yet you're so willing to discredit Circus' case unless he flips town?

Their alignment has no relevance to the content of the case.

But Circus' alignment does.

You say outright that you've entertained the possibility that John and Frio are noobtown rather than scum. If this case on john is pressure, is the vote necessary? Intimidation isn't always needed to spur contribution, and I'm getting more of a "scum" vibe from your case than what's in the actual content, which is that he's been lurking/following other players.

Is John scum, Circus?

The term "pressure vote" matters. It also creates a trail, which helps to make certain someone's intentions; good players don't just throw votes around willy nilly in tight situations. They might early on, such as now, but in stricter times they do not.

If you admit John could be scum if Circus flips town, why aren't you allowing Circus to "spur" John on, so that you can determine John's alignment and thus, Circus'?

Also, you did it again. You've got a "scum vibe"? What does that mean? Most people just say "FoS: (name)" and then explain their FoS rather than post an entire paragraph that's backed up with "I'm getting a scum vibe".

Is John town, Raziek?

 

[Circus]

If he flipped Town I'd look at John/Frio more.

Well, I can at least rest easy knowing this.

On that note, I don't really appreciate you (Circus) discrediting the case against you by means of "John and Frio jumped on it, it must be wrong".

....

I never did that. Show me where you think I did that.

You say outright that you've entertained the possibility that John and Frio are noobtown rather than scum. If this case on john is pressure, is the vote necessary?

I'm sorry, but I just think this is such a silly question. Who cares if I think John could be noobtown? There are plenty of people in this game who could be scum, but I currently think are town, so I'm not voting for them. I am currently feeling more confident that he's scum instead rather than noobtown, so why shouldn't my vote be on him?

Intimidation isn't always needed to spur contribution, and I'm getting more of a "scum" vibe from your case than what's in the actual content, which is that he's been lurking/following other players.

I don't know why you think I'm just trying to spur contribution. I think John is legitimately scummy.

You think it's scummy that I'm suspicious of John then? What has John done to earn your trust?

Is John scum, Circus?

I think so. Yes.

 

[Overswarm]

No, I didn't. I said I would think about it if you gave me a good reason.



Then I'd tell you that you have a pretty cool role.

So what's your race?

I'm not telling what race I can or can't investigate. Because of this, Town have every reason to tell the truth and scum have every reason to lie, don't they? I could always just guess. Maybe get you lynched tomorrow. Or you could tell me the truth and we could figure it out from there. How's that sound?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

So it's because he hasn't done anything scummy, and he shares your read on John?

That would give me a null at best, so that worries me.

Then we think differently.

I've learned that someone isn't necessarily Town just because they aren't that scummy.

No need to mentor me, I know that. I don't have him slated as super town, I said that I'm leaning town with him at the moment and I'll be watching him.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

So what's your race?

I'm not telling what race I can or can't investigate. Because of this, Town have every reason to tell the truth and scum have every reason to lie, don't they? I could always just guess. Maybe get you lynched tomorrow. Or you could tell me the truth and we could figure it out from there. How's that sound?

I can understand that. I wouldn't imagine someone would give out that information.

I'm a human, feel free to investigate.

 

[John2k4]

John, your opinions on T-Block, J, Overswarm, and Frio, please.

T-Block: Was fast to jump on the Werekill bandwagon, can be fluffy at times. Reads things carefully.

J: Experienced at these kind of things, investigates bandwagons/theories thoroughly and doesn't jump to conclusions. Almost seems too friendly at times, but that could be good. Not much fluff here.

OS: Fluffy, The Fallback Lynch proposal was interesting. Seems logical at times.

Frio: Not much in the way of content, I'm leaning towards noobtown. Was quick to just go for Panta after getting caught up, with no discussion as to past events. As with me, one of the newer people to the Mafia scene.

Alignment read, and short explanation.

Not wanting to give this out so quickly. Give me a reason why you need it.

 

[Raziek]

Why would you not give your opinion on someone at the heart of a case you're pushing on someone else?

Because I have very little to work with while forming my opinion on John. At the moment he's reading somewhat noobish (null), partially because I lack any meta with which to evaluate the OMGUS vote, and partially because he hasn't yet answered my questions.

When I have something more to go on, notably his stances, I'll give a more confident read. I simply don't have enough information right now.

Why on both counts?

J-Town would be obvious if Circus flipped scum, because J suggested the pressure on scum in the first place. Yes, it's possible he COULD be scum with Circus, but I don't believe it's at all likely.

Why? What would Circus being town have anything to do with their alignment? This statement implies that you believe everything Circus is saying, but believe it is tainted by him being scum; those horse blinders are incredibly out of style. Either Circus' comments are correct or they aren't. You don't get to say "his comments are correct if he's town". He can be right and be scum; scum work best when they don't have to lie. But how you're wording it here implies that Circus has legitimate arguments behind him, but you're not willing to look at them until Circus flips.

If it doesn't imply that, it implies you think that you should take Circus' current voiced reads and run with them after his death, which is ever worse. That's setting up two mislynches if you're scum.

If Circus flipped Town, I would question John and Frio because they jumped on the wagon quickly, not because of Circus' comments. I've already said I think John is null.

If you admit John could be scum if Circus flips town, why aren't you allowing Circus to "spur" John on, so that you can determine John's alignment and thus, Circus'?

Our definitions of "spur" are differing here. Circus is provoking him by means of a case, and is expressing legitimate suspicion. I want to spur him to contribute, so I can build a read on him. Drilling him with a case won't necessarily give me what I want. I want his opinions on other players, not his defense of Circus.

Also, you did it again. You've got a "scum vibe"? What does that mean? Most people just say "FoS: (name)" and then explain their FoS rather than post an entire paragraph that's backed up with "I'm getting a scum vibe".

Is John town, Raziek?

I'm getting cognitive dissonance between the content of Circus' case, and the intentions I'm feeling from his post.

His case reads to me as an accusation that John isn't contributing, and is just following other players. It doesn't read to me as "John is scum".

However Circus has now made it clear that he DOES think John is scum, and I think he's fallen prey to some tunnel vision, and is calling him scum for the wrong reasons.

I never did that. Show me where you think I did that.

My apologies, I'll be rescinding that comment. I went to look for the post I thought I saw, and couldn't find it.

I'm sorry, but I just think this is such a silly question. Who cares if I think John could be noobtown? There are plenty of people in this game who could be scum, but I currently think are town, so I'm not voting for them. I am currently feeling more confident that he's scum instead rather than noobtown, so why shouldn't my vote be on him?

I guess I didn't make it as clear as I would have liked. I meant to ask you if you thought John WAS noobtown, not if he COULD be noobtown. You think he's scum, so that's cleared up.

You think it's scummy that I'm suspicious of John then? What has John done to earn your trust?

No, and nothing yet. Which is why he's null to me.
I think so. Yes.[/QUOTE]
Alright. I want to see more from John on the topic.

 

[Raziek]

T-Block: Was fast to jump on the Werekill bandwagon, can be fluffy at times. Reads things carefully.

J: Experienced at these kind of things, investigates bandwagons/theories thoroughly and doesn't jump to conclusions. Almost seems too friendly at times, but that could be good. Not much fluff here.

OS: Fluffy, The Fallback Lynch proposal was interesting. Seems logical at times.

Frio: Not much in the way of content, I'm leaning towards noobtown. Was quick to just go for Panta after getting caught up, with no discussion as to past events. As with me, one of the newer people to the Mafia scene.


Not wanting to give this out so quickly. Give me a reason why you need it.

What makes Frio noobtown and not noobscum?

I didn't ask you for an evaluation of their posting style. I asked for your reads on these players.

I'm not telling you why I want your reads. I just want your reads.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

John, why are you so reluctant to disclose your views?

 

[John2k4]

If you want a plain and simple read, have at it.

T-Block: Town

J: Most likely town.

OS: In the middle here.

Frio: Seems to be noobtown.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

That didn't answer my question. This entire game you've been getting by with posting very little actual content, and that's not about to keep up. I don't think you've posted your views on anyone's post in the entire game. u scum or...?

 

[John2k4]

Been trying to post views on Circus a few pages back, but if you want a total overview on what I think of a post, I can do that, too.

 

[Frio]

lulz. I'm glad we got me being dumb and noob out of the way T-T. This thread does wonders for self esteem.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

John, it's requiring much too much effort on the parts of myself and others to get anything out of you, and I do not like that one bit.

 

[Overswarm]

John, is John your new name?

 

[Overswarm]

er.... real name?

 

[Dastrn]

cognitive dissonance

+1 point for using that phrase. I teach on cognitive dissonance to my staff and my boys.

Although I agree that your post that OS said "reeks" did in fact "reek." so -1 for that post.

null read on raziek right now. I think i'm feeling the flip side of our philosophy differences, so, I won't worry too much about it for now.

I'm still happy with OS is playing. He seems like he's pressuring people well to bait mistakes out of scum. I can't see a scum-aligned motivation for most of his actions. because he likes that pic.

I'm still reading scum on John.

My vote is now on Red Ryu, though. And I think he's a better lynch candidate than Circus. While I haven't been impressed with circus' reaction to the pressure, and I think most of that pressure is coming from townies, I expect that there are some scum on that wagon. I also think the same scum were on the early werekill wagon.

RR, I voted for you because you seem intent on expressing yourself with (not)clever gifs rather than using words. Gifs won't hold you responsible for their content. but we will hold you to every word. Get over ace attorney or whatever that game is. It's not even a good game. Play THIS game. with words. Quit hiding behind pictures.

Everyone else that is posting pictures is also being verbose and open. You are hiding. scum hide.

i recommend we switch this wagon. I also recommend that we make CIRCUS our fallback, instead of Panta, for now.

 

[Xastrn]

+1 point for using that phrase. I teach on cognitive dissonance to my staff and my boys.

Although I agree that your post that OS said "reeks" did in fact "reek." so -1 for that post.

null read on raziek right now. I think i'm feeling the flip side of our philosophy differences, so, I won't worry too much about it for now.

I'm still happy with OS is playing. He seems like he's pressuring people well to bait mistakes out of scum. I can't see a scum-aligned motivation for most of his actions. because he likes that pic.

I'm still reading scum on John.

My vote is now on Red Ryu, though. And I think he's a better lynch candidate than Circus. While I haven't been impressed with circus' reaction to the pressure, and I think most of that pressure is coming from townies, I expect that there are some scum on that wagon. I also think the same scum were on the early werekill wagon.

RR, I voted for you because you seem intent on expressing yourself with (not)clever gifs rather than using words. Gifs won't hold you responsible for their content. but we will hold you to every word. Get over ace attorney or whatever that game is. It's not even a good game. Play THIS game. with words. Quit hiding behind pictures.

Everyone else that is posting pictures is also being verbose and open. You are hiding. scum hide.

i recommend we switch this wagon. I also recommend that we make CIRCUS our fallback, instead of Panta, for now.

i'm too tired...sorry.

gonna mostly not keep up tonight, and then I'll play more tomorrow morning.

 

[T-block]

OS, stance on John, as well as your top lynch pick at the moment please?

 

[John2k4]

John, is John your new name?

er.... real name?

Yes, yes it is.

 

[Raziek]

Been trying to post views on Circus a few pages back, but if you want a total overview on what I think of a post, I can do that, too.

Yes, yes it is.

So about that content...

 

[John2k4]

John, it's requiring much too much effort on the parts of myself and others to get anything out of you, and I do not like that one bit.

Alright, both Circus and Solid seem to be heavily targeting me, and my thoughts is that I am one of the newer people to the Mafia scene. Start trying to put me on the spot, try to get me to panic and reveal x details that you will then proceed to use as an impact tool. Being new, I will not know how to react to it, and therefore will cause more doubt with myself.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Being new is no excuse for not posting content, and Circus and I are definitely not the only ones who've asked for you to provide content. Hell, look at the post above yours.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That's a rather dangerous assumption to make, OS.

This could've been, "Why do you say that, OS? Do you have examples of situations when this has been the case?"

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Don't play the fool, OS.

Someone orders Pizza next to you.

You say to nobody in particular "Everyone I've known who likes Pizza is an *******."

It's direct implication that you're calling them an *******. Same situation here.

Clearly buddying me.

 

[#HBC | J]

Really worn out after homework/auditions so I will try and get to this tomorrow but due to busy schedule I may have to take a back seat for a little bit and go into more note-taking mode. Apologies ahead of time.

I told myself before this game began I would not be having this get ahead of other things so it really will be taking the back burner for me.

 

[Overswarm]

Yes, yes it is.

So about that content...

Raz picked up on it, T-Block.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, you got that answer yet?

One of Oberyn Martell, Jaime, or Bronn. I'm not sure which yet, I was thinking much more towards the end of the day.

Random-note: Cool with OS dying at any point but not at the same time. He's very odd yet I don't know where to put him since he is overall an enigma. I want to lynch him but I'm scared too as well. It's someone I keep going back and forth on but I don't mind seeing pressure on him because I would like a better read out of that slot.

You're a dumb poophead and your head smells like poop.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

OS, who are your scummates?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My vote is now on Red Ryu, though. And I think he's a better lynch candidate than Circus. While I haven't been impressed with circus' reaction to the pressure, and I think most of that pressure is coming from townies, I expect that there are some scum on that wagon. I also think the same scum were on the early werekill wagon.

RR, I voted for you because you seem intent on expressing yourself with (not)clever gifs rather than using words. Gifs won't hold you responsible for their content. but we will hold you to every word. Get over ace attorney or whatever that game is. It's not even a good game. Play THIS game. with words. Quit hiding behind pictures.

Everyone else that is posting pictures is also being verbose and open. You are hiding. scum hide.

i recommend we switch this wagon. I also recommend that we make CIRCUS our fallback, instead of Panta, for now.

Show me where I used it to hide.

 

[Lore]

People I would lynch right this second in the middle of linear algebra:

Werekill, Circus, Panta (where is he since the push?)

More from a CPU.

Ehhhhh? Why?

Also, I'm going ahead and saying that I won't be too active in the next few days; I have midterms.