Majoras Mask Mafia! DGames' Longest Game Ends - Who Won?!?!?!?

[Xastrn]

we counted the stars.

 

[Raziek]

Xastrn, you've been quiet lately. How do you currently feel about Overswarm?

 

[Overswarm]

Don't play the fool, OS.

Someone orders Pizza next to you.

You say to nobody in particular "Everyone I've known who likes Pizza is an *******."

It's direct implication that you're calling them an *******. Same situation here.

That's not true. It's also dependent on the tone of voice, the culture in which that person grew up with, the relationship between the two people, and many other things. They could be best friends teasing, or strangers where one is a troll, or maybe he's being sarcastic. Who knows? You shouldn't assume.

If you don't touch it, we're going to string you up, because all you've got to defend yourself is self-meta and "It's really weak."

Defend him from what? I've yet to find the case on Circus.

More importantly, I've yet to see why lynching Circus would give us anything even close to a good start on Day 2. I don't care if Circus is scum and you have mod confirmed information in your role PM telling you this, you're doing it wrong.

Instead of referring to a case, try bringing up the case in question. "Responding to a post" doesn't do anything, and I doubt his response to that post would lead to a "Oh, okay" from anyone. Instead of trying to get someone lynched so quickly, you should instead try to find reads on other people and connections; currently your actions only give you a confident read on circus which doesn't even matter if he's the lynch for today. All the knowledge you're gaining is moot once Circus is dead.

 

[Raziek]

Are you blind, or just trying to frustrate me, OS?

Circus' flip gives me plenty if we were to lynch him.

 

[Raziek]

Ruy reading, better be posting.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod: Can I admit to being scum?

teehee.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Unvote
Vote: Overswarm

 

[John2k4]

Alright, trying to catch up via phone...

Raziek - I'll fill that in when I get home, and can use a proper web browser...so give me an hour or so.

 

[Circus]

Alright, John case go.

Arguably John's first "real" post of the Day. He hops on the Werekill wagon with the statement "got reasons," but doesn't give any. He is even asked to clarify later by J, but never answers. And apparently J didn't care to follow up.

He then spends the next several posts saying absolutely nothing of any consequence whatsoever. Yes, it's early in the game and everyone's still pretty light-hearted anyway, but John's not joking around; he's just posting the fluffiest fluff he can fluff up about sign-up rules and trying to keep up with the thread and counting how many posts everyone has made so far (two links) even though he goes on to say that post count is null.

But he makes a point of sprinkling in posts that imply that he'll get around to properly contributing soon (two links), even though he never actually does it.

When he "contributes," he does it in the least useful, least sincere way possible.

AND THEN.

Ref flag ahoy!

Circus, any reason for voting me so early on?

Bingo. This is the post that flipped my tunnel switch. Up to this point, I really didn't even care that much about John. My vote was on him in RVS pretty arbitrarily. I didn't know who he was, so I just stuck my vote on him. First, that's kind of obvious, making the question he's asking me here completely useless (plus, one of his most recent posts seems to suggest that he already knew this was the case. So again, what's the point of even asking me?). Second, he has not even given any substantial reads yet, or put on pressure on anyone, but he's already sweating my RVS vote on him enough to dedicate a post to asking me about it? What? It's worth noting that I'm the only person who even has my vote on John at this point. Why is it even a blip on John's radar if he's town?

And by the way, the fluff I mentioned earlier? It just keeps coming (three links, and that's what she said).

This is the closest John has come to giving a read on anyone all game. That wishy-washy "Ryu might be scum but maybe he's not" stance, and "Panta might be a scapegoat or something." And he hasn't attempted to pressure or ask questions of ANYONE unless it's something like "Circus, why don't you like me?" You would think that, considering how weak his reads apparently are, that he would be doing some of that. That he would be interested in learning more about the people that he might suspect, since all that rereading he claims to have been doing hasn't yielded him anything more worthwhile than this.

He follows the herd. And let me be clear about my language—he is only following the herd. He's not even trying to blend and attack the same players he sees other people attacking; he's too skittish to do that. He sees other people make observations and then repeats them. "I'm on your side, but you hold the knife; I'm no good with it." He's completely uninterested in actually finding scum or pursuing new information. He just wants to have the same opinion you do and then let you figure out what the next step is. It's worth noting that the only two times he has voted at all (on Werekill and on me, even though the biggest reads he has mentioned all game, as previously discussed, were Red Ryu and maybe Panta), it has been to jump on a pre-established wagon for no independently given reason. Ryu was apparently his biggest scum read earlier on in the game, but he never voted him (in fact, he made a point not to). Why? I assume because there hasn't been a nice, big Ryu wagon to latch onto yet.

I believe T-block asked me if I had entertained the thought that John (and Frio) are noobtown rather than scum. The answer to that question of course is yes. But hell if that's any reason not to pressure them.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

 

[X1-12]

Votecount 4 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [0]
Solid [1] - OS
Panta [2] - T-Block, Spellcasters
Red Ryu [1] - Werekill
dabuz [0]
Nabe [0]
Circus [5] - Nabe, J, Raziek, Frio, John2k4
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [3] - Circus, Xastrn, Solid
spellcasters [1] - Panta
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [1] - Dabuz

 

[Xastrn]

Xastrn, you've been quiet lately. How do you currently feel about Overswarm?

I liked him more before his most recent post, but I've got a town read on him so far.

RR, making a joke of your own lurking with the popcorn gif isn't winning you any fans here.

FOS - RR.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Votecount 4 - [8/15] - Deadline 11th October

Raziek [0]
T-Block [0]
Overswarm [1] - RR
Xastrn [0]
Solid [1] - OS
Panta [2] - T-Block, Spellcasters
Red Ryu [1] - Werekill
dabuz [0]
Nabe [0]
Circus [5] - Nabe, J, Raziek, Frio, John2k4
Werekill [0]
John2k4 [3] - Circus, Xastrn, Solid
spellcasters [1] - Panta
J [0]
Frio [1] - MOD

Not Voting [1] - Dabuz

I don't like how Frio and John jumped on right here, scummy.

J tell me more about how his reactions to my fake claim are bad?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I liked him more before his most recent post, but I've got a town read on him so far.

RR, making a joke of your own lurking with the popcorn gif isn't winning you any fans here.

FOS - RR.

 

[Xastrn]

unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

What do you hope to gain from this Xastrn?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

You know what?


Solid, claim your race.

Give me a reason to and I'll think about it.

Exactly. I don't like being at L-1 for no reason whatsoever. >_>

You weren't around when you were at L-1, so why are you so hung up about it?

I didn't think that it was a good wagon, and any reads on it were essentially useless since it was controversial/badly reasoned enough to make any townie think that it was a bad wagon and disagree with it. The same thing happened in a BRoom game that just finished (hey Dastrn. :3) against Scamp, and guess what? He was town, and all reads from the wagon were mostly useless./QUOTE]

Your logic here is that no reads from the wagon are useful because the wagon was bad, and the wagon was bad because the wagon was bad? I'll give you another shot at an explanation.

Why hasn't solid posted yet

Don't expect me to post during the day, I have school.

Is Frio dumb or scum?

Leaning dumb.

Can we get your updated thoughts on Circus? You said you wanted more from Circus, then said you liked him because of his pressure on John, but were then presented with cases by J and Raziek. Would you be willing to vote him?

I don't think he's scum, and I don't think the cases on him were particularly strong. J said he wasn't ready to 'bring it home' yet but I'm interested to see what that entails. Case on John that Circus just posted looks good but I just skimmed it.

@Solid: Stance on dabuz please

Playing like a newbie, don't like that. He's coasting a little as well, hasn't done much and his reasoning for pushing Circus is weak. Would like more actual reasoning from him.

Where the hell is Panta?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

jesus why am i so bad at tags

 

[Circus]

Can die:
10. Circus

Overswarm superlatives:
Most likely to get lynched on D1 because they don't do routine maintenance on their image, thus allowing other people to defend them for them: Circus
Most likely to be a power role: Circus

Race is valuable information in this game. By consequence, so is name.

That's part of why I've got my eye on Circus asking for a nameclaim from Red Ryu.

And that's why I think your opinion of me is dumb. You admit to having more information than is currently public knowledge with regards to the importance of name and race, yet you hold this against me like I should also be aware of it when there's no reason that should be the case.

This is why I dismiss your "case." And this is also why you should not be surprised that I do so.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Hi Ryu why'dya vote OS?

Raz, what do you think about John?

Nabe, you got that answer yet?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi Ryu why'dya vote OS?

Raz, what do you think about John?

Nabe, you got that answer yet?

I'll get to that in a sec.

 

[John2k4]

Raz I'll get my reads in a bit, but won't be commenting on claim until you give me a reason to.

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh goodness, so many posts that I was not expecting today.

I really doubt I'll be able to do a real post after homework/auditions(for yet another play, I'm suicidal lol xD). Is there anything anyone needs urgently so I can get to it now?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Werekill, why did I pick you? Cause right now.

And I want to know why me pushing like I did was scummy.

~

Frio your not giving me anything to work with other stance your stances on T-Block and Overswarm. You are way too reserved right now.

John2k4, your in the same boat as Frio. You haven't pushed hard in any direction and are afraid to come out of the shallow end of the pool.

Dabuz, noob card? Tsk Tsk, my former scummate from HunterxHunter should know better than to purposefully throw that out for people to see.

OS should be dethrowned, he's not our King, he doesn't deserve anyone trust atm. Even his chart post doesn't give much except to point out who talked to who yet at the same time I don't see direct correlations with the roaster at large with how everyone has been responding to people. Notice being avoiding, others and how they seem to do this as scum. Ok that is a fair point. Yet later he talks about planting seeds of distrust, which he immedately asks Circus why he questioned me, when it was OS himself who made it implied my claim was real.

T-Block is super cool, I like his responses to OS' Fallback lynch and his questions to inquire from Raziek and others.

Raziek is on my cool team with T-Block. Maybe we could share some Friday tunes together. Since Rebecca Black is his favorite singer ever from his favorite Song ever.

Circus is being wagoned on and I disagree. Two reasons I dislike his wagon. One, John and Frio are on it. Two, I don't see what makes him the play over anyone else or for that matter what he did that was so scummy that needs a lynch of him unless someone can clear this up more.

Werekill is funny. lol.

Might do more later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh goodness, so many posts that I was not expecting today.

I really doubt I'll be able to do a real post after homework/auditions(for yet another play, I'm suicidal lol xD). Is there anything anyone needs urgently so I can get to it now?

J, should I stop with the Gifs?

Also what does Solid look like to you alignment wise?

 

[#HBC | J]

asnfjguaiwhdnasf sorry spazzed at you using PW.Gifs cuz you use them well with such a good character. <333 Never stop, never ever ever.

Solid atm is leaning towny.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

asnfjguaiwhdnasf sorry spazzed at you using PW.Gifs cuz you use them well with such a good character. <333 Never stop, never ever ever.

Solid atm is leaning towny.

If I use them, I like using this lady.

Why is Solid worthy of being trusted as town?

 

[#HBC | J]

Remember though, moderation in gifs. It'll make them more powerful when you do use them.

Why? Well for me, I personally like him as town because he is coming to a lot of the same conclusions besides this Circus thing and seems to be doing so independantly. He seems to be moving as an individual which I like, plus no one has pointed out anything scummy of him yet so I have no reason to think otherwise. I hope that answers cuz I feel like I left something out. ^^"

 

[#HBC | J]

Random-note: Cool with OS dying at any point but not at the same time. He's very odd yet I don't know where to put him since he is overall an enigma. I want to lynch him but I'm scared too as well. It's someone I keep going back and forth on but I don't mind seeing pressure on him because I would like a better read out of that slot.

 

[Circus]

But are you aware that my policy is to distrust anyone who refuses to be Watson?

How would I be aware of that if I've only ever even seen you do it as scum? And why should I care about earning your trust if you deny it to people on such an arbitrary basis?

Who would you choose for your own Watson?

What exactly do you consider a Watson to be? Because if it's anything more than "someone I think I can trust," then I probably just wouldn't even deal with trying to have one. I realize you're probably trying to get reads and connections or something in your own weird way, but you're asking me things that I just don't feel apply to me. There are players that I like and players that I don't like. I've been pretty overt about the latter, and I'm more covert with the former for what are surely obvious reasons.

Fair enough, I understand how you'd naturally come into that perspective. But my issue is in the phrasing. Do you agree / do you see from an outside perspective how one could take your words in the way that I did?

Yes.

You say "it could be argued" which suggests the attitude of an impartial observer. What do you think about the situation?

I don't think Werekill is scum. But I also don't think he should be concerning himself with the wagon on him from earlier, because it just isn't important anymore.

Compare John and Frio in this game for me. Or are they the same to you? Feel free to wait until after we have reads from the two of them to answer this, but naturally I expect your perspective from this moment and prior.

I consider them very much in the same boat, though Frio is notably even less present than John is. They're both opportunistic; I read both of them as being insincere with their reads/votes. Would you disagree with any of that assessment?

 

[#HBC | J]

Gah, confuddled that line. Basically in a jist.

IGMEOU: OS

Other things, Circus isn't responding to my post which makes me ;_;, he no love me. Also curious as to why Solid doesn't think the case is convincing in his mind.

Sorry for rapid posts, I'm just typing while I think and doing other things.

 

[Circus]

I consider them very much in the same boat, though Frio is notably even less present than John is. They're both opportunistic; I read both of them as being insincere with their reads/votes. Would you disagree with any of that assessment?

To add to this, both are also overly focused on how they are being perceived by other people.

J, you know I love you, but you also drive me crazy sometimes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Remember though, moderation in gifs. It'll make them more powerful when you do use them.

Why? Well for me, I personally like him as town because he is coming to a lot of the same conclusions besides this Circus thing and seems to be doing so independantly. He seems to be moving as an individual which I like, plus no one has pointed out anything scummy of him yet so I have no reason to think otherwise. I hope that answers cuz I feel like I left something out. ^^"

I'll keep this in mind eanut:

I do think him working independently is good, but still not directly a town tell. More so him going out and working on finding out alignments a bit more is a good tell.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

To add to this, both are also overly focused on how they are being perceived by other people.

J, you know I love you, but you also drive me crazy sometimes.

I kinda just blow a lot of self perception off since I'll look scummy no matter what I do.

Just like outright saying it here is scummy.

 

[Overswarm]

Are you blind, or just trying to frustrate me, OS?

Circus' flip gives me plenty if we were to lynch him.

There you go again. "Gives you plenty", but we still don't know what that is. What does it give you, perchance? You're implying that your actions are justified without giving said justification. It's one thing to do it my way, another to do it this way.

Give me a reason to and I'll think about it.

So your race isn't important?

 

[Circus]

@J: Also, I feel that I've already answered most of your substantive qualms with me as I've answered everyone else. All that's really left are things like "You look like you're just trying to discredit Raz here," and "you're saying things just to say them." What am I supposed to say to that other than "you're just wrong?"

One thing you did ask is whether or not I think Raz is scum. Currently, I don't. But I think I've poked out pretty clear holes in the logic he's using to try to incriminate me. And if he keeps trying to use that bad logic, that might warrant further looking into.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

So your race isn't important?

On the contrary; I think it is important and therefore I'm not going to tell it to you unless you give me a good reason to. I don't know where you would get that I don't think it's important from that post.

J did you ask me why I thought the Circus case was weak or is my brain playing tricks on me? I thought I saw it in one of your posts but now I can't find it >_>

 

[#HBC | J]

J, you know I love you, but you also drive me crazy sometimes.

Oh Circus, same here broskii. We just have that thing in games haha.

@J: Also, I feel that I've already answered most of your substantive qualms with me as I've answered everyone else. All that's really left are things like "You look like you're just trying to discredit Raz here," and "you're saying things just to say them." What am I supposed to say to that other than "you're just wrong?"

One thing you did ask is whether or not I think Raz is scum. Currently, I don't. But I think I've poked out pretty clear holes in the logic he's using to try to incriminate me. And if he keeps trying to use that bad logic, that might warrant further looking into.

Damn that second paragraph has a good answer. ">> Not what I was expecting but lemme go through my post to see if there is anything you didn't touch upon.

I still don't like the John pressure regardless. =P

J did you ask me why I thought the Circus case was weak or is my brain playing tricks on me? I thought I saw it in one of your posts but now I can't find it >_>

I did actually so you aren't crazy. xD I would like to know why you thought what you did.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, I agree that it's true. What's your point? I'm always quick to call people scum. You, of all people, should know this. You played Pulp Fiction. I did exactly the same thing in that game. I did it to Washed, and I was right. I also did it to Choice, and I was wrong. I might be wrong here, again, but you, specifically, should know better than to think this is anything more incriminating than a nulltell.

See the thing I'm seeing here is too weak for too easy a reason. I mean you bring up PF yet look at that game, you were wrong on 3/4 of the people you let into. (right on WL, wrong on Myself/Gheb/Choice). How should I know better when I think it's different? I found you scummy for a pretty similar reason in that game and even wanted you lynched pretty badly for what you did that game.

However it's the way you are tunnelying I'm not liking. Look at a current non-existant game and what you did there and compare it to here, different entities my good sir. To me, they don't look the same.

A big thing for me is, I don't like your John push even after you substantiated it now. I just don't agree to it.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I did actually so you aren't crazy. xD I would like to know why you thought what you did.

Okay good haha. Well like I said, I'm still interested to see you 'bring the case home' if that's still going down. It's just that Raz's case doesn't seem especially strong, part of it was based on Raz's opinion on John, which I disagree about, and the remainder was fairly subjective, for example Raz saying Circus was 'obviously trying to slip under the radar', which is something I disagree with. This case was yesterday though, and things have changed, so if I'm missing something let me know.