(MAIN THREAD POSTED!) socal arcadian tournament

[pockyD]

well **** everybody, I guess?
I'll probably be gone by the time this tournament happens anyway

it's not me, even
I just think it's a genuinely dumb idea

you think it's dumb because you can't enter

like i said, this is like protesting that a melee tournament isn't a barlw tournament instead

or protesting that someone's holding a tournament in utah when they should hold it in norcal

 

[Atlus8]

doesn't it say in the first post, ranked players can come only if they're willing to teach people constantly, not enter the bracket, and not hog tvs?
this means: no tournament experience, no friendlies, and critique noobs all day

Let's see, people can go, but ranked players can't enter! If you don't have the courtesy to teach people and help them get better, you're just a d!ck! Who the hell said no friendlies? You can play friendlies as long as you don't hog tvs! Give other people a chance to play!

 

[TheLifeRuiner]

Joe, I think I understand what you mean, and i'm beginning to agree with you, though to me, this is just another tournament so I can't say it's a dumb idea since I'll still be getting better...maybe...lol

*shrug*

): Give us a rideee.

stop mooching

 

[joeplicate]

you think it's dumb because you can't enter

like i said, this is like protesting that a melee tournament isn't a barlw tournament instead

or protesting that someone's holding a tournament in utah when they should hold it in norcal

no *****

and like I said, I'll be back in norcal by the time this tournament happens anyways, so that's not an issue; I couldn't have entered if I wanted to

obviously I think it's dumb that I can't enter, but I have bigger gripes about this tournament reinforcing nooby habits. atlus, dsf, p? they're going for free money. I guess knives and luigi could technically come too; that's some bull****. The first thing this tournament needs is something other than "people who are currently ranked" as a method of deciding who can enter, because the previously-ranked players are going to come and take advantage of this tournament worse than me or connor or joey would.

People who have never found the motivation to stick with the game? They're being pandered to. marthpwnzer is going to come to this tournament, go like 3-2 or something, and have all his bad notions about the game reaffirmed. Players who come to this out of the blue will continue not going to tournaments; they'll ask "when's the next arcadian tourney?" because they think it's the only level they can compete at. Holding noob tournaments, in a sense, is only encouraging mediocre players to stay mediocre. To get good at the game, you have to learn to love competing. When players come expecting to have their wins handed to them, or for experiencing a nerfed version of the community, you don't build a strong community--you build a flaky, casual community.

at least have a REAL bracket as well; the "arcadian" label is a great way to attract people, but with a pro bracket you can expose them to real competition as well, and give them something to aim for.

 

[Noble-]

Unnoticed Talent.

 

[The Greater Leon]

im pretty much in the same boat as joe, but less willing to put my thoughts down

id rather lose to daves sheik in tourney then beat, say, whaa?

even though i wanna beat that guy next time

 

[Kouryuu]

Why is everyone saying that DSF is gonna show? lol

Anyway, Joe is right about one thing. The more I think about it, the more I realize how dumb of an idea an "Arcadian" tournament is. It's plain stupid, not to mention condescending.

Besides, what defines an "Arcadian" anyway? Someone who's not ranked? I'm pretty sure there are a good number of unranked players here in Socal who can easily compete with our "ranked" players. And to use the faulty/inaccurate PR to determine who's allowed to enter and who isn't only shows how weak of an idea this whole tournament is.

And as far as learning goes, "Arcadians" can learn more from their fellow "Arcadians" AND actual better players by going to a regular tournament than from something like this. Basically, if the "Arcadians" really DO want to get better, they'd be against this idea as well.

 

[joeplicate]

idk i just heard dsf might go

and if he does, it won't be for the experience

 

[pockyD]

a tournament can be fun for its own sake, not necessarily as a stepping stone to improvement

 

[Kouryuu]

We have smashfests for that.

 

[joeplicate]

sure it can be, but the purpose behind competitive gaming isn't to maximize the amount of fun you're having

 

[pockyD]

how are a smashfest and a tournament the same thing

and yes, competitive gaming is about fun, wtf is wrong with you

 

[MacD]

when was the last time so cal had a legit smash fest? it's been a while, a good long while

even by holding an arcadian it's not like everyone going is expecting to have a shot at winning

but what is more important than joe's and kouryuu's problems with this, is what do the people who are going to come think about the tourny??

and what's wrong with trying this out once? if it turns out to be a failure, so be it; and if it is a success, yay

 

[kakx]

Joe, I think I understand what you mean, and i'm beginning to agree with you, though to me, this is just another tournament so I can't say it's a dumb idea since I'll still be getting better...maybe...lol

*shrug*



stop mooching

But, mah friend beat him at 1 v 1 and he said he'll be our ride bish. ):

 

[bbb]

dsf was ranked he cant enter get ****ed

 

[Lovage]

when was the last time so cal had a legit smash fest? it's been a while, a good long while

what the hell are you talking about? irvine, 805 and pat's house (on the weekends) are CONSTANTLY playing smash, if you're sitting at home upset about there being no smashfests, ****ing call someone on your phone and you'll be playing 5+ players in 30 minutes

 

[Atlus8]

when was the last time so cal had a legit smash fest? it's been a while, a good long while

Seriously, WTF is this?!

 

[MacD]

... they were comaring the arcadian tourny to a smashfest

but when was the last time there was a legit smashfest like i remeber when i first started up

pat hasn't had a big one in a while, irvine get's together a lot true, same with the 805

but i remember times (maybe just of the past) when there would be smashfests almost as big as if not bigger than tournies sometimes

i mean when was the last time pat had a big one??? i'm sure we could go look at his thread... if you can find the post, his smashfests are what i'm talking about, but compared to the amount of tournies in so cal, you'd think a legit smashfest would happen

EDIT: now that i think about it, i guess that one random night at cam's when me and zhu first came down could count... but still

 

[Lovage]

what are you expecting out of a smashfest? you want smashfests as big as tournaments? you expect people to offer up their parent's house up to 30 -50 dirty *** smashers lugging in old TVs and leaving trash everywhere?

a LEGIT smashfest is 4-10 people of varying but comparable skill levels that play for 4+ hours and peace out. this happens ALL the time. just because people aren't making threads on pac west for your lazy azz doesn't mean they aren't happening all over. call people when you want to play smash bros don't expect it to be handed to you on a plate son

 

[MacD]

wow, calm down

i seriously think there is a different between a few people getting together, a smashfest, and a LEGIT smashfest

i more so consider it a smashfest when people who don't always play get together

guess i just have higher expectations on what i consider a legit smashfest and what you do

what you defined as legit i consider just a small smashfest, and when JDM has like stabbed, jkun, DC money etc over, i consider that like a get together since that happens a lot, not a smashfest, but add like zhu, kira, cam, me, grev then i'd consider it a smashfest, and probably a legit one at that since there would be around like 20 or so people

 

[joeplicate]

how are a smashfest and a tournament the same thing

and yes, competitive gaming is about fun, wtf is wrong with you

they aren't the same thing, what are you talking about

competitive gaming isn't just about having as much fun as you can, or else there would be advanced strategies on having fun with green shells ffa icicle mountain. it's about competition--people who have playing tournaments (more fun than playing the game any other way, in fact) have learned to love competition.

I'm not even trying to sound like a fiery, naruto-determined tourneyf@g here, but come on.

when was the last time so cal had a legit smash fest? it's been a while, a good long while

even by holding an arcadian it's not like everyone going is expecting to have a shot at winning

but what is more important than joe's and kouryuu's problems with this, is what do the people who are going to come think about the tourny??

and what's wrong with trying this out once? if it turns out to be a failure, so be it; and if it is a success, yay

wtf are you talking about mccain, we have "legit" smashfests all the time. besides, how would you know living in turlock for the summer
and yeah, we even have "legit" smashfests based on your definition: larry, hugo, fiction, romeo, and all 805 came over to my house last week.

nothing's "wrong" with trying it out once, but it's dumb to just go ahead if you think it could be improved upon. and if it's a failure, I'll be here to say "I told you so."


edit: and nobody was comparing a tournament to a smashfest; kouryuu said that they were for different things, and pocky misread it I think

 

[Atlus8]

Have you ever been to Pat's Macd?

 

[MacD]

lol, i know pat has had legit ones atlus, but when was the last time he offered up to the community saying hey let's all have a smashfest

and i guess that is a good example joe, but that is also an example of a bunch of high level players

yes i'm sorry i made some judgements without knowing everything that's been happening down there, but i guess to me, a legit smashfest is something like what pat did where he posted on the boards saying "hey everyone come here and play smash, everyone is invited and i want everyone to know/have an opportunity to come"

but that's probably how i feel coming from turlock, if i played with modesto it was a get together since we'd always play, if we went to stockton it'd be a smashfest, if someone made a thread saying smashfest everyone come, i'd conisder that one legit (assuming people show up)

 

[joeplicate]

the pat's house smashfests that were advertised were the worst, though

it definitely was an example of a bunch of high level players, but we also had ALL of 805, meaning riptide and all his annoying friends, festizzio, brendan, derek, chris, etc. etc.

this discussion is basically irrelevant lol

 

[Atlus8]

lol, i know pat has had legit ones atlus, but when was the last time he offered up to the community saying hey let's all have a smashfest

You really have no idea the level of sincere Pat has to open up his house like he has! Normally, after cops have been called, neighbors have complained, electric cost go up and paying several fines for noise complaints people would stop having a smashfest! Not Pat! Also, there were only like two smashfest at Pat's that had well over 30(maybe 40ish) people and you were not at either of them! Have you ever been to a smashfest with those numbers? I don't mean before/after a tourny, I mean just a smashfest! Remember, he also lets people stay over!

the pat's house smashfests that were advertised were the worst, though

I remember the one when HMW came down! That one was fun! The other . . . there were . . . so many!

 

[Ekoli]

Could this be ****!?

 

[Kira-]

Dave if u use the hotel conference room i used it can easily fit 40 people in there and u can squeeze a few more extra people if needed. And thats only half of the room for about $150

Sigh $150. I figured that's what I'd get but I was hoping I could find something cheaper. In any case, I was gonna go check it out tomorrow. Thanks. And yay you're going to this.

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lol i just put whoever came to mind that i havent seen in awhile
there are a lot im forgetting -_- but yeah sleepy came to mind lol

People who have never found the motivation to stick with the game? They're being pandered to. marthpwnzer is going to come to this tournament, go like 3-2 or something, and have all his bad notions about the game reaffirmed. Players who come to this out of the blue will continue not going to tournaments; they'll ask "when's the next arcadian tourney?" because they think it's the only level they can compete at. Holding noob tournaments, in a sense, is only encouraging mediocre players to stay mediocre. To get good at the game, you have to learn to love competing. When players come expecting to have their wins handed to them, or for experiencing a nerfed version of the community, you don't build a strong community--you build a flaky, casual community.

at least have a REAL bracket as well; the "arcadian" label is a great way to attract people, but with a pro bracket you can expose them to real competition as well, and give them something to aim for.

This is a pretty good point. As soon as the venue is booked, I'll be making the tournament page on AiB and the thread here. Also I'll look at the room and see what we have room for. I don't want to cram 30 people into a "Connor's garage" area. Anyway, if I can work out a way to get ranked players in there with a balanced entry/payout for everyone (or if people want to offer ideas, like Sheridan's which I may use a variation of) then I'll do that.

gotta go more info later sry been busy

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Joe if you're not in Norcal by this then lets MM.

And if you are then lets MM and the next tourney we're both at. =O

 

[MacD]

You really have no idea the level of sincere Pat has to open up his house like he has! Normally, after cops have been called, neighbors have complained, electric cost go up and paying several fines for noise complaints people would stop having a smashfest! Not Pat! Also, there were only like two smashfest at Pat's that had well over 30(maybe 40ish) people and you were not at either of them! Have you ever been to a smashfest with those numbers? I don't mean before/after a tourny, I mean just a smashfest! Remember, he also lets people stay over!
!

dang, i knew crazy things happened but i didn't know all that had happened

i've been to one with around 30 if i remember correctly

idk, maybe i just build things up in my head more than i should and now my expecations are too high on paper, but i remember that SD smashfest that me and zhu made it too, that was hella legit and had probably like 20-30 people come and go in total and was on short notice and not really that big... hmmmm oh well

and i'm pissed i always missed the smashfests at pat's... one day though, one day

 

[joeplicate]

stubble let's just mm saturday
3 DOLLARS BIG MONEY, CAN YOU HANDLE IT!??!


that being said, if you do both brackets (or both things, or pools or w/e) you should still advertise arcadian as the main one, because it would be kinda whack not to

 

[DJMirror]

I'm looking at MacD's post, gotta admit...MacD, lets go to pat house one day just one day =(

@ atlus and Lovage.....wow....I have to agree with you there

 

[pockyD]

they aren't the same thing, what are you talking about

it was pretty **** clear that was directed at kouryuu

competitive gaming isn't just about having as much fun as you can, or else there would be advanced strategies on having fun with green shells ffa icicle mountain. it's about competition--people who have playing tournaments (more fun than playing the game any other way, in fact) have learned to love competition.

I'm not even trying to sound like a fiery, naruto-determined tourneyf@g here, but come on.

oh "come on"

does anyone actually find playing on icicle mountain with green shells fun for longer than 5-10 mins? I don't understand how your example applies at all

a tournament where everybody is near the same level is the essence of the fun in competition; besting your peers. do you not remember the days when you thought it was incredible to just shoot to be the best on your block?

The thrill of playing for something on the line is dampened when you are a member of the 95% of the entrants at the tournament that have absolutely zero chance to win anything (and consequently, effectively nothing is on the line). giving "everybody" a chance to win gives them a chance to experience this thrill and side to competitive gaming that isn't available to them at normal tournaments when they just can't measure up

this is a proposal for a one-time/special event; it doesn't replace real tournaments, so i don't understand why you feel this bothers you or hurts the community.

edit: and nobody was comparing a tournament to a smashfest; kouryuu said that they were for different things, and pocky misread it I think

I didn't misread it. I was the one who said they were for different things; a smashfest simply doesn't have the competitive edge that playing with something on the line does. i'm sincerely disappointed that you aren't following my logic

i don't care whether you agree or not, but i'm surprised that you can't seem to at least understand it if you think i'm the one misinterpreting things

 

[Nashun]

if it makes you feel any better, i just wanna play. i thought arcadia was someplace to go.

 

[aznforce817]

Arcadia is a place you can go, a place you can go... to get better. *angelic music*

 

[PsychoMidget]

Arcadia is seventy miles of a murderous obstacle course, snaking over the most twisted hell scape ever conceived.

Noobs go in... You know what comes out the other side?

MOTHER****ERS

What's that? What happens to noobs that don't make it out?

Maybe I should tell you the name of the course. Maybe that will help.

It's called the Noob Killer. That's right, I'll let you figure out why.

 

[embracethe12]

Noobs go in... You know what comes out the other side?

MOTHER****ERS

LOL

this part was really funny

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

stubble let's just mm saturday
3 DOLLARS BIG MONEY, CAN YOU HANDLE IT!??!

I can't go to the melee 6 tourney. =(

 

[DJMirror]

Empire Arcadia is a different story

http://www.empirearcadia.com/home.html


Jwong is part of this "crew"


They are also in some fashion magazine with the label called JinX


http://www.empirearcadia.com/corp/index 2008 p1.htm


http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/119260/empire-arcadia-ep-1.jhtml#id=1545629

 

[ConnorTheKid]

Jason,


....no one cares.

 

[PsychoMidget]

YEA jason, comment on my post