Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[#HBC | J]

Yes! Kuzi will be alive now.

Mentos lynch, go!

 

[Rockin]

K, slight change to the tally

Missed the fact that J voted. sowwies! XD

 

[mentosman8]

Good good, L-1 still. Any lynch, even my own, is better than the un CC'd doc.

 

[Xivii]

Vote: Frozen Flame

Mentos, J, Kuz, Gova. Do this.

 

[Xivii]

Gova even if you aren't up for voting Frozen, unvote before someone hammers at least. But still vote Frozen.

 

[Xivii]

nvm that's L-2. Mentos lied to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

more than happy with frozen specially since he visited the thread and just went away without agreeing or chastising people for lynching me.

Unvote
Vote: Frozen Flame

 

[th3kuzinator]

Gova I dont like how you were viewing the thread with plenty of time after I claimed doc but did not unvote nor did you write a post long enough to warrant being ninjad by my claim. Vote frozen.

 

[Gova]

Unvote Vote: FF

This is fine with me actually.

 

[Gova]

Lol Kuz, what happened to you is similar what happened to me in AIM mafia when I claimed cop and got lynched even though I was un'cced. It was because I was scummy to everyone else. The scummiest person gets lynched and I don't know why you thought it would be good to play scummy.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I can guarantee, if I was in that game, I would have argued against your lynch. That or I was scum.

Mentos you viewed and then went away. You okay with FF?

 

[mentosman8]

Eh, I'm hesitant because I know how much of a force town FF can be, but I'll definitely consider it.

 

[Xivii]

Gotenks:

Any lynch, even my own, is better than the un CC'd doc.

Today.

You don't keep someone alive because they can be a good help sometime maybe. That's how KevinM always wins. We don't need Frozen. Vote or you're a lier and we lynch you. Why would you have us lynch you if you know you're town rather than someone who is scummy like FF. ffs

 

[Xivii]

J, at least have the decency to use invisamode.

Also you should respond to Mentos' #706 since you still want him lynched.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Kuz.

 

[Xivii]

Has it been brought up that Zen essentially admitted to faking a posting restriction in 256? I'm curious. Anyone besides Zen or X1 can answer.

Why did you ask this again?

Is the following point weak? yes, but when kuz is scum he sounds far more intelligent in his posts (i.e his wording)

This is wrong.

Unless of course kuz felt he was dead to begin with and Chibo decided to stay mostly silent so as a scum partner he couldn't make any mistakes and kuz would tunnel chibo hard so that on D2 chibo would receive no real pressure from the town O_O

Aren't you agreeing with Gheb here?

Also, in case you're wondering I did lie about having a posting restriction. Why? Simple. I wanted to make myself look more scummy. I puposefully did not include asterisks in that first post and then included them in every post after that to make it appear as if I had broken some sort of regularity. I am glad OS picked up on it because it helped spread scumKuz wifom throughout the Day. I did not forsee that I would be this inactive and that I would be pushed into claiming, so it obviously backfired on me. Since I feel like most everyone will push me into claiming toDay, I did not feel like keeping up with the charade anymore.

I will claim if everyone demands it, but claiming now will be more of a detriment to town than a boon.

This is a lie. You just made this up.

Chibo if Kuz is scum, Mentos and FF if he's town since his town flip doesn't influence anything lol.

Nabe, vote for Frozen now.

 

[Xivii]

Kuz: Respond to mentos #706. Do you still think he is scummy? Why or why not? I want to know which parts of his defense you think are bs and which you are willing to dismiss if any.

I can understand x1's reasons for voting Kuz.

Nabe: I outed that you have a PR so there is no reason for you to continue playing the way you are. Why would you parrot scum the entire game?

 

[Xivii]

The fact that Kuz knew the whole time that he wasn't at L-1 makes me want to lynch him. That means his post "hammer" reactions were fake.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Since when did I know I was not at L-1 the entire time?

After Rockin's vote-count came I went back to page 8 and started from there and re-tracked the votes to see if I was not actually hammered.

 

[th3kuzinator]

will respond to your 737 later.

sleep.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, at least have the decency to use invisamode.

What on earth are you talking about here?

And I'll respond when im not tired/can.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Kuz.

If we don't, scum won't kill him until they need to and we'll constantly wonder. Wifom.

If we don't and scum kills him, we still lose our doctor and we kill someone that might NOT be a super target for scum.

Killing kuz is the best play for toDay. He's scummy, he's played poorly, and leaving him alive will hurt town in a myriad of ways.

 

[Xivii]

Since when did I know I was not at L-1 the entire time?

After Rockin's vote-count came I went back to page 8 and started from there and re-tracked the votes to see if I was not actually hammered.

When Gheb said "He is @ L-1 FYI" you said that you looked and confirmed this. If you had already checked like I did, you knew you weren't at L-1.

Lynch Kuz.

If we don't, scum won't kill him until they need to and we'll constantly wonder. Wifom.

If we don't and scum kills him, we still lose our doctor and we kill someone that might NOT be a super target for scum.

Killing kuz is the best play for toDay. He's scummy, he's played poorly, and leaving him alive will hurt town in a myriad of ways.

Your second statement makes no sense what so ever. In fact you just solidified me wanting to keep him longer. If scum thinks keeping him around is better then we just get to keep our doc.

Plus Frozen is mod confirmed scum. Not that we need the mod confirm because his play this game is so scummy anyway.

@J: I was refering to your lack of Frozen vote.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright, so Kuz claims that he was faking his posting restriction in order to look more scummy and as a result draw attention to him.

How in the world does this make sense as a valid strategy for ****ing Doctor?

Like seriously how in the world did you come to the conclusion that it was a good idea to fake a posting restriction and draw attention to yourself when you're the doctor, the role that wants to draw the least amount of aggro, since it's such a ****ty claim (lol look where we are now) and you very obviously don't want to pull night kill aggro.

As pathetic and ridiculous as this whole situation is, I really don't think it's the best idea to lynch our claimed doc. Might as well let him die protecting our watcher for atleast one night, let DH watch whomever he wants, and hope the scum lose the WIFOM guess battle and we catch someone through DH.

If another wagon isn't viable within the time we have before deadline, Kuz can still totally go though for a complete incongruous claim to his playstyle thus far.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12130345&postcount=673

^ This is true and important to bear in mind.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12129874&postcount=635

Agreed with the scum picks here (cept you can add chibo) and I would be totally thrilled to see any of them go.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12130676&postcount=697

I'm more focused on defending myself? What? Where exactly have I been busy defending myself and not scum hunting? Please show me, because I'm not sure we're playing the same game if you think I've been on the defensive primarily.

Furthermore, I didn't know Zen's alignment previously nor do I now, but the point was I saw him do the same fake posting restriction **** in Soul Calibur mafia and thus, made the connection between the playstyles and concluded that though his style this game is a just a ****tier version of Soul Calibur's, he was probably town.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12133566&postcount=743

Dude WTF is your problem this game, stop sucking so much ****. Mod confirmed scum? Wtf is this bull**** you lying sack of ****.

Last minute wagon push for me is really classy dude, let me tell you. It amazes me that people are so willing to follow Zen like this despite his at absolute best questionable play in this game, his complete non-response to my attack on him and his style earlier, and the fact that I've been on two completely justified wagons with my own stances on each. In fact, how exactly did I all of a sudden become a play in everyone's books when no one has brought a case to bear?

If this wagon goes through then holy **** please do scrutinize all the people who hop on with little to no reasoning because this is just ridiculous.

Maybe if someone had a case on me I'd continue defending myself here but literally all I can say is how ******** this wagon is looking to be when I can't even understand how people see me as a viable D1 play vs. the handful of players here who have either been scummy as **** all day (Zen, Kuz, DH to a lesser extent) or just hollow, empty, non-contributive, and stanceless (Nabe, Gova, Chibo, mentos).

 

[X1-12]

zen enough with the BULL****. First 'evidence' DH is scum, now FF is mod-confirmed scum. Just shut the **** up or back up your ridiculous claims ffs.

The ff wagon is going nowhere, same with every other wagon. Kuz dies. Lynch him or its NL.

 

[Swiss]

I'm amazed. But I agree with X1.

Would still take a Kuz lynch or a Chibo lynch. No reason for a Frozen lynch. Mentos, tell me your thought process as you consider the FF lynch.

A steaming pile of content will probably appear later. Don't hold me to it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

k, time to read up and post stuffz.

 

[Swiss]

Swiss - scummish vibes

Swiss comes into the game and makes a kindof skeleton version catch up that people seem to like but I'm meh on it. It doesn't reveal much at all and he seems to be pushing easy people. Why did he switch to th3kuzi if he "will lynch Chibo in a heartbeat." If he was set on Chibo shouldn't that be where his vote resides? He seems to be bandwagoning a bit but I need to see more of him then what I have but I'm getting scummy vibes off of him.

Why did it take you so long to point out you had issue with my 'skeleton' post? How exactly was it lacking content, why do you feel Chibo (initially my primary target was 'easy'? Why would Zen not have been easier at the time? Am I known for pushing easy lynches as scum OR town? I am not, why would you imply this? You know I see scum play as an art.

Why should my vote always be on Chibo? Initially Chibo was the stronger scum read, why have you chosen to ignore what he has done and my subsequent reactions and inferences to them? You imply nothing could have happened to change my opinion, even when doing a full re-read. Why?

Mentos - scummy

Now here is someone who is playing a complete 180 from what I have seen of Mentos. In FF7/DGames/NBC mafia he played in quite a different way. As in he was more active and also was not really that afraid to give stances on people, where has Mentos laid his vote on or give definitive opinions on people? He has been playing extremely safe and fence-sitty. The fact is I am not liking Mentos one bit this game and especially after a re-read. He just seems like he isn't willing to take a stance on a single person yet and hence why he has not even voted ANYONE yet this ENTIRE game. Not once has he put his vote down. Why is afraid too? He also has stated he has absolutely no scum-reads. All he's been doing is going along for the ride.

This caught my eye. Talk more about Mentos. Why is his play dissimilar to his NBC town play? Why is his 'fence sittiness' here a worry, yet you seemed as a mod to take no issues with it previously.

If he hasn't voted anyone, do you think his refusal to jump on easy wagons should be taken as a town tell, along with him effectively claiming VT and being willing to take the noose. Is this a scum gambit?

X1-12 - scummy

Alright X1's also been playing scummy as well. He is still trying his hardest to disprove the claimed un-CC'd watcher. He is also being contradicting in his views. He has called th3kuzi town and stated so to OS but now he is saying "Kuzi so scummy! Lynch him idc he scum." What changed? He is gonna say the lying of a posting restriction but X1 has been one of the people making what th3kuzi has done seem incredibly scummy and he did as such as a scum faction in B&F to the exact same person for a similar cause. He has also been quieter but hmm I'm gonna discount this since he claimed V/LA. However I'm not liking X1-12 either.

Overswarm - town

He is reminding me of All-Stars mafia and his unwillingness to play in D1 plus I like the way he got on th3kuzi for the posting restriction and he seems general p.o.ed town. His constant nagging about LAL regarding kuzi is a bit of a town tell albeit a bit tunnely to say the least. OS has been on both Zen/Kuzi for understanable reasons and however I think he needs to chillax just a bit. Overall I'm liking OS this game and comfortable with keeping him around for longer. What he has done has seemed town and I don't see anything particularly scummy from him.

Why is OS a toen read or you, yet X1 is scummy? Explain in detail why OS' push on Kuzscum is "just a bit tunnely" yet when X1 does the same for the same reasons, he is scummy.

Also as your vote is on Mentos and people won't want to lynch him you should make a clear, concise case.

We're lynching Kuz or Chibo.

Chibo is V/LA yes?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

crumbs?

I saw kuz crumb a role which was not Doc btw

You'll have no early crumbs.

No breadcrumbs

This is stupid. Since when are crumbs even remotely necessary? Where does the idea come from that PR crumbing is a good thing? Forgotten what happened in Bioware when I would just kill OS mason targets because of his obvious crumbs? Forgotten than we got an easy kill on the Jailer in Discworld on D1 because of a careless bread crumb from Gordo? Aren't you forgetting that scum can fake crumbs too? You act as if a bread crumb was a confirmation for a role and a good idea for each and every PR.

Baloney.

Very scummy to discredit his claim based on that, whether the claim itself is credible or not. Instead of calling him out on a Doc claim - easily the most questionable claim there is - you call him out on his lack of bread crumbs first?

Zen - town

[...]

Chibosempai - townish/COLOR]

Still wondering how this is supposed to make sense. Since kuz couldn't give me a straight answer to that I'm going to ask it again: How can you think Chibo is townish after his hardcore tunneling on Zen, who apparently is playing super obvious town?If you fail to even mention that it's a very shallow analysis and unless you can give me some good explanations I'm going to hold it against you and claim that you're posting purposefully misleading information.

FoS J

My philosophy is to never lynch main unCCd prs.

Your philosophy needs a reality check then. Mafia isn't a game of trial and error where town can wagon people to L-1 and get their claims as they please and then lynch the claims they don't like. It's a game of logical deduction and making the best decision based on that. Logically, a claimed Doc is a huge liability because it either risks a CC [in case you are scum] from the real Doc or it gives mafia a way to manipulate night actions as they please. A Doc claim on D1 is just flat-out awful, especially if you expect to get away with it after how you played this Day.

kuz you rode your claim like **** and called DH out for it.

Right but let's not forget that DH is in the same boat. Kind of sounds like he's fighting fire with fire to me because he's using the logic against kuz that he himself got away with when he was on the chopping block.

FoS Dark Horse

As pathetic and ridiculous as this whole situation is, I really don't think it's the best idea to lynch our claimed doc. Might as well let him die protecting our watcher for atleast one night, let DH watch whomever he wants, and hope the scum lose the WIFOM guess battle and we catch someone through DH.

Yes, I agree with this. Lynching kuz will partly take care of your WIFOM problems but not of other obstacles like Chibo. We can lynch one or the other but toMorrow we'll have to deal with the one who remains alive and this whole dilemma will start all over again. At the very least, if both claims are true the mafia will also have to deal with WIFOM shenanigans and might get one of their night actions watched or docced.

With that said, I think it's time to do what should've been done quite a while ago:
Unvote
Vote Chibo

 

[Overswarm]

killllll

kuzzzzzzzzz

 

[Rockin]

Mafia Royal Sleepover list

Kuz (4) - Frozen, Swiss, X1-12, OS

Zen (1) - Chibo

Mentos (1) - J

Frozen (3) - Zen, Kuz, Gova

Chibo (1) - Gheb

Not Voting - Mentosman, Dark Horse, Nabe,

Deadline is in Tuesday, Feb 8rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

 

[Xivii]

Unvote
Vote Chibo

Unvote; vote: Chibo

Kuz, Gova, Mentos, J, Swiss, Nabe. Do this.

 

[Swiss]

Why are we not lynching Kuz?

Unvote Vote Chibo

Investigate Kuz.

 

[Swiss]

No that's a dumb investigation.

Unvote Vote Kuz

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

No that's a dumb investigation.

Unvote Vote Kuz

A dumb investigation indeed.

Damnit lynching our claimed doc is just such a bad idea but so is rushing a lynch on like Chibo or something. Grrrrrr deadlines...

Unvote: Kuz

Vote: Chibo

w/e people just need to go. Scum do us a favor and just NK kuz plz

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: kuz


So everyone knows where I stand on this one.

 

[th3kuzinator]

\(o_o)/

unvote
vote: chibo

Good with either of the three, whatever saves us from NLing.

 

[Swiss]

\(o_o)/

unvote
vote: chibo

Good with either of the three, whatever saves us from NLing.

Would you hammer yourself to avoid a NL?

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: What time on the 8th is deadline?

 

[Rockin]

@mod: What time on the 8th is deadline?

11:59 p.m.