Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[th3kuzinator]

Would you hammer yourself to avoid a NL?

Yup. If no other lynch was happening I would to affirm my stances and partly difuse the WIFOM. I am only slightly hesitant because of possesing a PR. As a vanilla I would be glad to.

 

[Overswarm]

You should go ahead and vote for yourself for posterity.

 

[X1-12]

The way kuz played the chainsaw defence on Zen is just unbelievable. He knows how dangerous it can be (I've caught him on it before) so if Zen flipped town kuz would put himself in such a bad situation, especially since he knows I'm in the game and have gotten Swiss lynched before off his chainsaw. Furthermore he defends himself by saying he thinks Zen is town, how does this justify his actions? He is calling the people on the wagon scummy, even if Zen is town, how does that make the players scum, as opposed to just wrong?

I also called kuz out for riding his claim, his defence is "Yeah I really rode my claim. Look how far that got me." either saying he didn't ride his claim (He totally did) or he is saying its OK that he tried to ride his claim because he failed to do it successfully, what townie would justify their actions that way?

3. Because both meta reasons were bad. Dark Horse thought my lapses of inactivity were a scum-tell despite me doing that in pretty much every game D1. You say I write more intelligently when I am scum, but can you back this up? Rather, is it even proveable? Have I never written hastily/worded things badly as scum? Yes, towards the end of SC, just before I got hammered. Have I ever worded things well as town? Yes, D4 and D5 of NBC.

Kuz here says "Is your attack on me even provable?" a very scummy defence, he is not saying "That is not true" or "substantiate your points" he is worried about whether the attack on him can be proved or not, why? - If he is innocent then it obviously can't be proved he shouldn't even consider it. Imagine if a murder suspect says "Can it be proven that I did the murder?" - its just as incriminating here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request Votecount

 

[th3kuzinator]

X1 stfu for once.

Anything I say as a defense can be made to look scummy why you twist things. The funny thing about your quote is that I actually back up my defense later on in that same quote where I provide examples that contradict your point on both sides. Stop reaching.

 

[X1-12]

Kuz defend against everything else I am saying, that or self-vote. Your point that you also gave evidence means nothing, if you were town evidence would be all you needed. Town should never be concerned with whether they can be proved guilty - it should never even cross their mind

 

[X1-12]

Unofficial



Kuz (3) - Swiss, X1-12, OS

Zen (1) - Chibo

Mentos (1) - J

Frozen (1) - Gova

Chibo (4) - Gheb, Zen, Frozen, kuz

Not Voting - Mentosman, Dark Horse, Nabe,

Deadline is in Tuesday, Feb 8rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch.


@Mod: Official votecount too please still, just in case

 

[Xivii]

Kuz explain this:

When Gheb said "He is @ L-1 FYI" you said that you looked and confirmed this. If you had already checked like I did, you knew you weren't at L-1.

And do this:

will respond to your 737 later.

 

[th3kuzinator]

First part, went from the 570 to the present. I was at L-1 after X1 voted me but then you unvoted and voted mentos. I had forgoten you were on my wagon already, so that put me back at L-2 (I thought you were still voting DH, so your unvote would not have changed my L-X status). Basically I was a bit hasty because I wanted to make sure I claimed before someone hammered me. When I re-read it carefully after rockin posted the votecount I saw where I made my error and was quite surprised.

Second part coming when I get home.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@X1, a town PR getting lynched because they were proved guilty by incorrect meta should concern town. Especially since I have shown it is incorrect yet you still do not acknowledge it and continue to push for my lynch.

 

[X1-12]

@X1, a town PR getting lynched because they were proved guilty by incorrect meta should concern town. Especially since I have shown it is incorrect yet you still do not acknowledge it and continue to push for my lynch.

kuz you were still even concerned that it could be proved, if you KNOW it was untrue, why would it even cross your mind that it was in any way provable? I'm not now pushing you on the meta, but instead the way you defended yourself against it.


Respond to my other points too.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

*sees Chibo isn't lynched yet*

*shakes head and leaves thread again*

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote, Vote Chibo

No longer looking at Chibo/Kuz scumteam. If Kuz is scum then it would be with J. Doc CC should occur if one exists, because as has already been addressed, watcher/doc targeting each other prevents them from dying. No CC means Kuz and DH target each other. Someone should vig Mentos.

Kuz wagon is bad, Chibo wagon needs to gogogo.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha J, you're so metaing me off the worst examples you could XD FF7 you replaced into, so you saw mostly endgame Mentos who kills early game Mentos in both ability and activity. Dgames was an unusual case because I had the strongest town read I think I've ever had, and NBC I didn't even have the ability to post until after we had an entire day/like 20+pages of 40ppp to respond to and base my thoughts off of. I get better when I have more to work with in pretty much every way.

Then what are some good examples of your play? Also you have an entire Day's worth of posts in a 20+/40ppp now in which you can respond to. Why have you not if your requirements are not met? You have alot of info to work off of, especially considering two PR claims AND the amount of material we have from people.

@J: I was refering to your lack of Frozen vote.

Why would I vote for someone I don't find scummy?

Why did it take you so long to point out you had issue with my 'skeleton' post? How exactly was it lacking content, why do you feel Chibo (initially my primary target was 'easy'? Why would Zen not have been easier at the time? Am I known for pushing easy lynches as scum OR town? I am not, why would you imply this? You know I see scum play as an art.

Bolded part I am not answering, way to freaking loaded. In fact you have alot of loaded questions in this single post directed at me.

I had yet to do a full ISO and analysis of your play this game in which I came to that decision. You do not deny it was a skeleton post so I'm assuming you agree. It was lacking substantiated support and just seemed like a tiny half-fast summary. Chibo had been catching heat for his naivety and you agree because you added to this heat. With Zen you would have been called out a bit worse for bandwagoning and hopping on the easiest. Chibo is definetely an easy target because look where he is now.

Still wondering how this is supposed to make sense. Since kuz couldn't give me a straight answer to that I'm going to ask it again: How can you think Chibo is townish after his hardcore tunneling on Zen, who apparently is playing super obvious town?If you fail to even mention that it's a very shallow analysis and unless you can give me some good explanations I'm going to hold it against you and claim that you're posting purposefully misleading information.

FoS J

He's playing super obvious town, to me. Key words there. Chibo is playing well the perfect word to describe him is how I already have which is naive town. The Jester situation, the Zen tunneling, and his play.

You attack the post on Chibo/Zen and say to give explanations when you have yet to do so as well. I've given my explanation as to why I believe he is town, take it. Otherwise you're trying to scrutinize my views to make it seem as if I am posting misleading info when it's you twisting my words.

Btw, you have no room to talk as in "explanations" so I'm gonna ignore you till you stop being hypocritical.

FoS is cute.

Unvote
Vote: kuz

So everyone knows where I stand on this one.

Your like a child.

Oh you're scum too.

Unvote, Vote Chibo

No longer looking at Chibo/Kuz scumteam. If Kuz is scum then it would be with J. Doc CC should occur if one exists, because as has already been addressed, watcher/doc targeting each other prevents them from dying. No CC means Kuz and DH target each other. Someone should vig Mentos.

Kuz wagon is bad, Chibo wagon needs to gogogo.

......

No one's gonna say anything?

Really?

Fine guess I'll be that guy,

Nabe, please die for your what seems to be purposely scummy behaviour and hopping on a wagon with such tiny info and agreement to the scumteam. You tact on the bare minimum and then say the obvious things in your posts by saying Vig should vig Mentos (however why are you assuming there is a vig in a game this side.) Why should the vig not vig you? You have been useless and scummy as all heck.

In fact, I don't feel a Chibo lynch because I have a town read on him. I don't vote for people that I don't feel are scummy hence why I am going this path since it seems no one will go for a Mentos lynch (why not by the way?).

Unvote
Vote: Nabe

He's only been phoning in content and I've expressed why I find him scummy. He needs to die over Chibo any day in my book.

Who is the worst looking out of X1-12/Mentos/Nabe in your opinion?
The above chosen scum-picks: Choose one of the people and talk about them extensively.
Zen/Gheb/Kuzi, you need to explain what you find useless/scummy about me.
Nabe, more INDIVIDUAL content needed.
Swiss, what do you mean by questions? You only asked me one and it was regarding a post that I was asking questions to drive up activity in a dull period in the game plus they were also asked to help give insight as to how people thought about certain people in the game but some people choose to ignore the simple question asked to them which is a little telling.
Frozen, what's your read on me as of now? Still having trouble? Might wanna get some glasses for those ancient eyes.

Why was this ignored by so many people? Answer, chop chop. Not that much time left.

 

[#HBC | J]

The only way you can get me to vote him is to stop a NL.

Otherwise I'm staying put on Nabe and mimicing X1's childishness.

 

[#HBC | J]

****

Deadline is so **** close.

I won't be here tomorrow till late.

I will hammer Chibo tomorrow before midnight if it comes down to it.

This won't happen to another one of Rockin's games.

 

[X1-12]

J: kuz is actually a viable lynch. Nabe is not.

 

[#HBC | J]

X1: kuz is actually a dumb*** lynch. Nabe is not.

 

[X1-12]

its called NOT GOING TO NL. You will never get a lynch through from basically no votes in 24 hours. Your vote is completely useless and you are hindering town by leaving it there. Why even put it there? You evidently know the dangers of NL and if you wont even be on tomorrow then why would you try to start a fresh new wagon in a game with a day left and players who are inactive or VLA?

 

[X1-12]

tl;dr

change your ****ing vote

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: Chibo

I will not let kuzi be lynched.

X1, drop the idiocy and hammer Chibo. Or be a hypocrite and keep your vote null/useless on Kuzi.

Also answer my questions to you now.

 

[#HBC | J]

*

Unvote
Vote:Chibo

tl;dr

Change your ****ing vote

*itouch johns

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, so I've looked back, I've considered options, pretty much just all around looked at what is possible with the rest of the day.

Lynch Kuzi: Pros and cons here for sure, as is always the case with doc claims. As I was thinking about this, I remembered something that Marshy used to say all the time back in the day: should always lynch doc claims right away, because the wifom is too much. I've never fully believed in this, but it came to mind and made me think my stance through on this issue fully.

Pros: Removes WIFOM. Gets rid of a player most have found scummy at some point. It will be harder and harder to convince of a lynch of him as days go by.

Cons: If claim is true, lose an invincible combo claim in doc/watcher. Pretty much guarantees DH kill tonight if his claim is real.

Verdict: I think it's worth letting him live at least overnight, see what happens, and reevaluate as time goes on.

Lynch Chibo: Pros: Chibo tends to be questionable to most players, so it eliminates that earlier. Might shed some light if his Zen read was real or not, and give us something to work with.Town seems to like the lynch, so clears some heads one way or the other.

Cons: I believe it was right that he's V/LA, so he may not have a chance to post and/or claim prior to being lynched. Could lose something useful without expecting it.

Verdict: Assuming he's back by day end decent lynch, would be nice to go for someone who'll have a chance to claim first though :/

Lynch Mentos: Pros: People have taken issue with me. Haven't been all that active.

Cons: Townie dead fo sho(from my POV of course). Not much to draw from flip at this point when I would flip town.

Verdict: I would prefer to live, but if town wants to go that route I will claim and let them decide from there.

Lynch Frozen: Pros: Scum Frozen is a force to be reckoned with, and if he's scum it gets him out of there early.

Cons: Town Frozen is a force to be reckoned with, and if he's town it prevents him from dying and let's town make use of that force. Also, after looking back, I'm really just not seeing scum Frozen yet.

No lynch: Pros:

Cons: Everything. We really need a flip.

Verdict: No thank you.

Final verdict: Hopefully Chibo gets back soon enough where he can claim pre-lynch, but I think he's our best option given the circumstances and how the day has gone so far. I'll wait for an up to date votecount, but I'll be willing to vote him as the lynch for the day.

Ninja'd by J, but give him the day people! No use hammering when he's not around>_>

 

[X1-12]

I can hammer toMorrow if needs be. Now please stop being an absolute ****. I've already explained how kuz is actually viable whereas Nabe isnt. I also will be around tomorrow and do have a valid case against kuz

 

[#HBC | J]

Mentos,

DGames Mafia Road Trip. Do you really wanna wait?

Respond to my 774

 

[#HBC | J]

You have no case and wanna lynch an un-CC'd doctor. Kuzi is in no way viable as a lynch toDay.

Get usefull and start scum-hunting.

Respond to 774 as well.

 

[X1-12]

J its all in 763, something which kuz has largely ignored. Thats a case, and afterwards he fails to defend himself.

 

[X1-12]

I know he is unCCed but I call shenanigaland on a doc and watcher straight up in a 13 man.

 

[mentosman8]

X1 is right that Kuzi isn't out of the picture entirely, as I mentioned in my post. I don't feel he's the top pick for the day, but I also wouldn't be surprised to find a liar between him and DH.

J, Dgames maf no lynched D1 because I actively pushed it, and the couple other people around who weren't voting were willing to do it. This game we have multiple people prepared to drop the hammer, won't be a problem.

 

[#HBC | J]

X1, by no case I mean dumb case.

And set-up meta really? You're grasping and you know it. Just admit you're wrong and move on. You just came from a game that had unique set-up changes and have played games with stranger things.

If you are trying to convice me, you won't with such fallicies.

 

[X1-12]

kuz has also been posting elsewhere on SWF, but not here, despite promising more stuff later and having several things to explain or respond to.

 

[#HBC | J]

Mentos, quit dodging and answer what has been asked of you.

 

[X1-12]

X1, by no case I mean dumb case.

And set-up meta really? You're grasping and you know it. Just admit you're wrong and move on. You just came from a game that had unique set-up changes and have played games with stranger things.

If you are trying to convice me, you won't with such fallicies.

explain how its dumb. Explain why kuz failed to respond to it but posts in other games. Explain why kuz is avoiding posting in this game

 

[#HBC | J]

kuz has also been posting elsewhere on SWF, but not here, despite promising more stuff later and having several things to explain or respond to.

I really despise when people use ***** moves and excuses like these.

It's undignifed and slimy.

 

[#HBC | J]

First question, I will when I can.

Last two questions are not for me to answer and just slimy questions.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Sorry for actually trying to put time into games I play.

When you juggle 5 games, x1, all you do is post one liner saying "lynch X" and then go away.

I posted a giant wall a few pages ago because I care about this game but am honestly trying to juggle 4 others and play then all decently.

**** off

 

[X1-12]

its not ****ing slimy, its scummy ffs.

When you are town doc at L-3 or 4 with a case built against you and little time left, you dont go and post in other games, especially not when youve promised content and explanations. Thats called stalling.

 

[#HBC | J]

It's slimy and I'll call it whatever I **** well please.

I'm done arguing with stupidity for one night.

 

[X1-12]

kuz, you are in quite a massively different situation right now to anything i do, i also play properly when i need to. And feel free to give time to all your games but not when the deadline for this one is approching fast and you have promised content.

J you have failed to refute my points, you have merely called them stupid.

 

[X1-12]

kuz what are the 5 games? I count 4, and Dr who has been in Night for a week and ronikes for 2 days. What is eating up your time?