Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[#HBC | Nabe]

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No one's gonna say anything?

Really?

Fine guess I'll be that guy

That post was a chainsaw!

 

[Overswarm]

You have no case and wanna lynch an un-CC'd doctor. Kuzi is in no way viable as a lynch toDay.

Get usefull and start scum-hunting.

Respond to 774 as well.

We don't even know if there's a doc. :B

Just thought I'd mention that.

I'll hammer Chibo if need be, but don't understand why we're voting for him.

 

[X1-12]

J, kuz and probs mentos maybe nabe as the scumteam

 

[X1-12]

actually scrap that, mentos and kuz arent on a scumteam because when kuz called mentos out for inactivity- as scummates he'd just pester him on AIM or something

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Mentos is barely scummy. Just useless. We'll shoot him.

 

[Overswarm]

Mentos is barely scummy. Just useless. We'll shoot him.

Good to know you brought a gun.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

@ J #774 (IIRC) No worries you defined WIFOM correctly.

At this point like someone else is the real doctor I think they should have claimed. Guaranteed scum lynch trumps having doc in the long run IMO.

OS, just form your point of view, do you think Kuz's claim is definitely BS? If so is it because you think he might be a scum doctor, because doc is his safeclaim, or because he's simply fishing for the real doc?

As for why we're lynching Chibo, it's mostly because of his low level contribution and (personally) his overall scummy vibe. Best remaining candidate since all the other scummy players have either claimed PRs or aren't viable lynches atm.

 

[Rockin]

Mafia Royal Sleepover list

Kuz (3) - OS, Swiss,X1-12

Zen (1) - Chibo

Frozen (1) - Gova

Chibo (6) - Gheb, Zen, FF, Kuz, Nabe, J


Not Voting - Mentosman, Dark Horse,

Deadline is in Tuesday, Feb 8rd, 2011. It takes 7/13 votes to lynch

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

needs more votes

 

[Xivii]

Don't worry, Swiss will vote Chibo in a heartbeat.

And J will hammer.

 

[Xivii]

@Mod: J is voting Chibo.

 

[Swiss]

Twisting my arm. I'll hammer him later.

@ mod #782- J's vote is on Chibo.

J why precisely did you vote Nabe? Did you think you would create a wagon?

 

[Xivii]

@ mod #782- J's vote is on Chibo.

U mad?

 

[Xivii]

.

 

[Swiss]

I was halfway through an insulting post when I saw your ninja.

 

[Rockin]

@Mod: J is voting Chibo.

Error fixed

my bad lol

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not Voting - Mentosman, Dark Horse

Glad to see how useful everybody is

J, you've basically just confirmed how shallow your analysis on Chibo is. You don't even acknowledge one of the main issues with him even though I specifically point it out. If you're ignorant to that then only because you chose to be so.

 

[Swiss]

Bolded part I am not answering, way to freaking loaded. In fact you have alot of loaded questions in this single post directed at me.

"Am I known for pushing easy lynches as scum OR town? I am not, why would you imply this? You know I see scum play as an art."

This is not in anyway loaded. It is a reasonably simple question. I did ask you a loaded question, though.

I had yet to do a full ISO and analysis of your play this game in which I came to that decision. You do not deny it was a skeleton post so I'm assuming you agree. It was lacking substantiated support and just seemed like a tiny half-fast summary. Chibo had been catching heat for his naivety and you agree because you added to this heat. With Zen you would have been called out a bit worse for bandwagoning and hopping on the easiest. Chibo is definetely an easy target because look where he is now.

It was a skeleton post because I didn't hotlink the page references. If you have a problem with the actual content or think incorrect inferences were made, point these out. Actually don't, because I'll ignore it.

Chibo became an easy target because of my actions. Yes Chibo had some heat on him...what's your point? Unless you are saying the majority of town were wrong to suspect him.....? (Note, wrong to suspect him, regardless of whether they want to lynch him or not)

Did I say always? It has pretty much been on there once and then until now you have had it on Kuzi. Let's see you are right in which you have made "inferences" and "reactions" which I have not discarded but you haven't been able to pull anything substancial. You have said multiple times he is scummy as all end. If Chibo was the stronger intial scum-read why change your vote? So your thoughts on Chibo have changed and thus you think Kuzi was scummier then him? But wait your votes right back on Chibo now that th3kuzi wagon has lost steam....? Again the question is, Why? Same question back at ya.

You have no idea why I voted Kuz?

Yet another ******.

My vote is still on Kuz. But my vote/consent of hammer will soon be switching to Chibo because the Kuz wagon somehow lost momentum. We do actually have to lynch people here. Chibo is by no means a bad lynch, but Kuz is so much better.

How did you know my Mentos read before I had said so? Already described the difference, please read and stop skimming. I'll talk about whom I want. I've talked about Mentos and stated why I wanted a Mentos lynch.

Explain bolded.

Why is kuz scum? You've really not said anything besides kuz = obvscum so he should die however you've just tacted on material that you can help twist with X1 to make kuzi look worse. Why is OS not a town read for you? Also your buddying X1, why? X1 has been full-out trying to get both Dark Horse and Kuzi lynched even after their claims which astounds why a townsperson would still push so hard on them to un-CC'd claims. OS has been on kuzi practically all-game ever since he started hounding him on LAL and is still on him however now OS is just being tunnely whereas X1-12 has been doing this to not just one person, but two claimed PRs. Why?

Claiming doc after faking a restriction which encourages scum NK's. If he'd wanted to look scummy, he'd have gone and played scummily, not faking a restriction and then getting caught in a lie.

Why is OS not a town read for me? Where did I say this? I did not. What purpose does this serve? Swiss VS OS?

Explain how and why I am buddying X1, is it because his reads are somehow decent (save DH)? Is buddying scummy? If X1 flipped scum would you pressure me? Explain why you do not accuse me of buddying other players who's reads I also share (e.g. OS who according to you, isn't a town read for me). What differentiates these players?

You want me to explain why X1 is pushing DH. Rofl.

How bout I'll make a case on Mentos if you make a case on Chibo, seems fair considering all the "scummy" behaviour he has done, and how you will "lynch him in a heartbeat." but I have yet to see you "make a clear, concise case." Where is this? Explain.

The difference being my secondary lynch is about to die. I have no reason to push him further. Chibo according to you is town, so do something.

Nabe, please die for your what seems to be purposely scummy behaviour and hopping on a wagon with such tiny info and agreement to the scumteam. You tact on the bare minimum and then say the obvious things in your posts by saying Vig should vig Mentos (however why are you assuming there is a vig in a game this side.) Why should the vig not vig you? You have been useless and scummy as all heck.

Expand on this, especially with your stance, opinions on Nabe.

In fact, I don't feel a Chibo lynch because I have a town read on him. I don't vote for people that I don't feel are scummy hence why I am going this path since it seems no one will go for a Mentos lynch (why not by the way?).

When the action is upon you, do you not think you should be more pro-active?


Chibo/Kuz/J.

Lynch 'em. Vig 'em. Cop 'em. Kill 'em.

 

[Overswarm]

@ J #774 (IIRC) No worries you defined WIFOM correctly.

At this point like someone else is the real doctor I think they should have claimed. Guaranteed scum lynch trumps having doc in the long run IMO.

OS, just form your point of view, do you think Kuz's claim is definitely BS? If so is it because you think he might be a scum doctor, because doc is his safeclaim, or because he's simply fishing for the real doc?

As for why we're lynching Chibo, it's mostly because of his low level contribution and (personally) his overall scummy vibe. Best remaining candidate since all the other scummy players have either claimed PRs or aren't viable lynches atm.

His play has been the opposite of what any doctor should be. I honestly just think he either has a doctor safe claim or is one of the worst doctor roles I've seen. I don't consider a claimed D1 doctor in a 13 man game to be very useful, and he's going to add to WIFOM all game, so I'd consider a lynch on him rather than... say.. a fast growing lynch on Chibo out of nowhere when Chibo hasn't posted anything about the wagon.

 

[CT Chia]

Bout to start reading and catch up

 

[CT Chia]

Ok, while I haven't read every single post that I've missed up till now (I just flat out don't have time for it with the deadline so close), I have browsed over every post, got the main jist of everything, etc.

Obviously the main thing I wasn't around to comment on was Kuz's claim. Let me get this straight:

You don't fake a posting restriction to appear scummy and draw attention to you when you are a doc, someone that should be trying to stay alive at all costs!

Really, come on now. This is such a big huge terrible thing that completely contradicts itself that makes Kuz a great lynch. Furthermore, the ties between Zen and Kuz are MORE than obvious. Both players keep having such great town reads on each other, questioning players voting for the other one, etc etc. I really think we need to go with one of these two.

Personally, I would rather go for Zen before Kuz since he is a claimed VT while Kuz is a claimed Doc (less of a loss for town if they are somehow town), but either is fine. Kuz lynch seems to be a lot greater of a possibility, not sure where the wagon on him went after his claim.

Unvote
Vote Kuz

Will switch to Zen if people want to go with that order as I suggested, but I'm fine with either.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's a pretty terrible post, Chibo. Knee-jerking a kuz/Zen connection doesn't make your super convenient hop on the kuz wagon legit. Your reasoning to vote kuz is still deeply rooted in your tunnelvision on Zen.

Wondering what J thinks of this. Still not buying his stances on Chibo. Good investigation / Vig target.

 

[mentosman8]

First, @Gheb: as I said last night, I'm holding my vote because I wanted to make sure there was time to get something outta Chibo prior to hammering. I'll vote before deadline guaranteed unless someone beats me to it.

Chibo, that post was bleh. You're L-1, a little over 12 hours before the deadline, and you aren't going to offer a claim, and just push Zen/Kuz together. I'm tempted to hammer right now, but I'll give you about 5 hours(that'll be 9 PM central) of free time to make a post, claim, and make a case for staying alive. You say you haven't read all the posts, but knowing that Kuzi's lynch is more likely of the two you propose means you have some idea where votes are, which means you offered nothing knowing half the game is voting you, and the other half is just waiting on the hammer.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Mentos parroting Gheb's 822 a post later, lol.

 

[X1-12]

how bout dat Nabe/Gheb/Mentos all vote kuz for the hammer

 

[mentosman8]

Nabe, hard to not parrot when he said exactly pretty much exactly what I was going to XD I was tempted to just say "what Gheb said" but I hate doing that.

X1, I think it's best to let Kuz live overnight at least, as I mentioned in the post where I went over my view of pros/cons of prospective lynches.

 

[CT Chia]

I did not realize that I was at L-1, reading since the last vote count I see that I am at L-1

As much as I would absolutely HATE to claim seeing that we already have what, like 4 players claimed or something, you have left me no choice

I'm Peach, masoned townie. I'm masoned with another townie who is the same role as me, but I'm not saying who at the moment. If the consensus of the town agrees that I should reveal who I am masoned with, then I will. I personally do not think it is wise to do so since there are already so many claimed players.

Before I answer why I should stay alive, I would like everyone to ask themselves (especially those on my wagon), what have I done that is exactly scummy? Because some people consider me to be tunneling on Zen? That is how I play, look at most games I play in. I am sort of wishy washy and non-committing until I find a scum read, and then I go with it... hard (that's what she said). If you guys don't think my case on Zen shows him as scummy, then you guys are all either blind/illiterate, or if Zen actually is town he deserves the award for worst townie ever. What about when people constantly say in games how people that are afraid to commit or take a stance are scummy? That is the exact opposite of what I have done this game.

Perhaps it was my run of recent inactivity? Ask any mod/unmod about the other game I am currently in the LoD if you can't see it and look at my post history. I fell inactive on the exact same dates as this game. I had a GIANT document due for senior design on Friday I had to do with one other student that we started on Wednesday. This document turned out to be over 60 pages long, I would be more than glad to post the document here as proof. On Friday I then went to a little local tournament here where I live, then drove 4 hours to a tournament on Saturday and got back late Sat night. Sunday was spent sleeping followed by a Super Bowl Party, which I can show proof of that as well. I started catching up in my mafia games since yesterday.

This day has put this game into an absolute mess. People (esp Zen) pushing for claims constantly, doctors trying to draw scummy attention to them (kuz), people passing up a perfectly good lynch close to the end of the day (kuz's wagon), etc. This game is practically handed to scum on a silver platter with all of the claims there have been so far.

Keep me alive for my ability to read people, and work on getting scum reads lynched. Not to mention my ability of being able to discuss with another player outside of the game can really help the lynch pool in my eyes and help find scum even better.

The reason for my last post (which people find bad for some reason?) was to show the reasoning for why the Kuz lynch would be good, and furthermore from that, the information it can give us tied to other players to use on subsequent days.

 

[X1-12]

Why let scum live through the Night?

 

[X1-12]

Well move onto kuz then people.

 

[Xivii]

So you're masoned with Nabe then. What do you mean same role? You're both Peach?

 

[X1-12]

Move the **** onto kuz, he is L-3, Zen is on, Mentos is on, or will be later, same with J, that's enough to hammer.

Just in case Gheb/DH/Gova are all also on AIM so probably at their PCs lurking SWF somewhere.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Still like Chibo as the lynch. A mason claim alone is clearly not enough unless his mason partner claims too [which we don't want]. If Chibo actually flips mason at least it'll work as confirmation for the claim of his partner later in the game. But I doubt Chibo is actually going to flip town anyway.

masonChibo flip > docKuz flip
scumChibo flip = scumKuz flip

Vote stays.
Somebody hammer plz

 

[X1-12]

Gheb but if the other mason claims that means we have two clears and avoid lynching town toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So you're masoned with Nabe then. What do you mean same role? You're both Peach?

Chibo claimed mason.
His mason partner has the same role.

Duh.

Move the **** onto kuz, he is L-3, Zen is on, Mentos is on, or will be later, same with J, that's enough to hammer.

Just in case Gheb/DH/Gova are all also on AIM so probably at their PCs lurking SWF somewhere.

Not lurking. You just ninja'd me.

 

[Xivii]

Chibo you have failed to evel consider the prrspective that you are mistaken. You haven't even read my defenses to you at all. Keep you alive for your ability to read people? You have yet to show such an ability. I'm the only person you have payed attention to up until now and I'm town.

 

[X1-12]

Keep him alive because he's clearable? And the other lynch target is scummy, was accused of such and ran away, while continuing to play other mafia games.

 

[Xivii]

Gheb I asked because to say his mason partner had the same role is redundant.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb but if the other mason claims that means we have two clears and avoid lynching town toDay.

5 roles revealed on D1? Assuming the claims are all legit then we'll already have DH and Chibo as Doc-hogs. I don't wanna expose another future clear to the mafia to make Doc's work even harder. I'd rather have one clear for later than run the risk of losing everything now.

Not to mention that Chibo will spend the rest of this game tunneling the **** out of Zen.

He can still die.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Chibo you have failed to evel consider the prrspective that you are mistaken. You haven't even read my defenses to you at all. Keep you alive for your ability to read people? You have yet to show such an ability. I'm the only person you have payed attention to up until now and I'm town.

Omg quoting this for truth x 9001

 

[Xivii]

Chibo, had you and Tom discussed anything at all? And if you're masons, why is Nabe voting you?