Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[Wiisp]

i swear if I have to disable push notifications lmao...

 

[osieorb18]

i swear if I have to disable push notifications lmao...

Wiisp You could just like the post.

 

[Wiisp]

Wiisp You seriously didn't realize it?

what are we at 13? that's what I thought, and I saw 5 votes?
actually its 12, but still it would be 7 votes

 

[osieorb18]

what are we at 13? that's what I thought, and I saw 5 votes?
actually its 12, but still it would be 7 votes

Pretty sure we're at 11, no?

 

[osieorb18]

what are we at 13? that's what I thought, and I saw 5 votes?
actually its 12, but still it would be 7 votes

Wiisp We started at 14, and we're down Eido, Titus, and Wam.

 

[osieorb18]

what are we at 13? that's what I thought, and I saw 5 votes?
actually its 12, but still it would be 7 votes

Wiisp That's 3 players with Eido, Titus, and Wam, so out of 14 players, 11 players remain.

 

[osieorb18]

what are we at 13? that's what I thought, and I saw 5 votes?
actually its 12, but still it would be 7 votes

Wiisp I suppose it would be more convenient if there was a thread banner at the bottom mentioning the info.

 

[Wiisp]

ya i can't math
woops

guess we will see what happens

 

[osieorb18]

ya i can't math
woops

guess we will see what happens

Wiisp Fair.

And that thread banner could remind you to like that post.

 

[osieorb18]

ya i can't math
woops

guess we will see what happens

Regardless of whether Wiisp and I survive the Night, it was a game... Nice playing with y'all in case we don't.

 

[osieorb18]

ya i can't math
woops

guess we will see what happens

Wiisp I suppose this is less frustrating than a glitter bomb.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Wiisp like a post already so Osie won't post another page worth of messages

 

[Chop Chop]

Final Vote Count

Detective Mao - Shurian, Gorf, Osie, Poyzin, Rhand, Wiisp
Nerbins - Swiss
Poyzin - Detective Mao

P.S. Osie sent me like 100 different things about hammers all in multiple sentences. I would just post all of it to be like look at this!
but he sent them all individually and I ain’t going to go through the effort.

 

[Chop Chop]

Detective Mao was Werewolf Cupid

Night Begins!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

It's happened to me decently often. From Wiisp even sometimes. Who also should like a post.

i can believe that

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Sorrrrrrrrrry

 

[Chop Chop]

osieorb18 has died. They were Town Seer
Wiisp has died. They were Town Cop

Day Start!

 

[Shurian]

We dont have a doctor? Syuwhsiahqkqg

I realised how bad it was when I finally understood what a Cupid was. And boy we're really screwed, Mao did a really good one eyeing both osie and wiisp.

My vote is on the traitor first and foremost.

Vote : Swiss

Now, about mafia hunting.
Before I present to everyone my own stuff, I'd need everyone to present theirs first.

Firstly: Rhand is almost most assuredly town for the mafia should have known who the traitor was from that list. His reaction to Swiss's "joke" was definitely townie, as he definitely would not have known of such.

Secondly: We have another PR, that should not claim at all costs. I tried softing Doctor by saying Wiisp won't die, and hoping the real doctor would heal osie. While I'm not sure whether I'd drawn a roleblock onto me or not, or the mafia hit the other person, we have 3 people who have TMI on who was killed.

Lastly: Oh god oh fudge, spirits of wiisp and osie bestow your blessings onto me

 

[Rhand]

Mylo. (Which is ridiculous). Watch your votes.
Positive is that traitor and mafia can’t coordinate and mafia can’t know for sure who the traitor is, but still, 5 vs 3 is mylo.

 

[Shurian]

I want to see where the thread goes. Agenda is most likely going to be pushed today.

I also am sure of the fact that some people will feel confused later on in the thread. Day 1 was a very huge question mark, but today should be quite productive.

Also, I'm very aware of the MyLo situation right now.
Swiss is the safe vote but we are always in MyLo from today onwards.

 

[Rhand]

And yeh Swiss is traitor. Having both ww’s as townreads in his lists and calling himself werewolf. It’s pretty obvious.
We don’t need the traitor dead though, hunting mafia is foremost important.
Swiss should be our “we don’t know who to yeet” backup yeet.

 

[Rhand]

It also means mafia has a roleblocker. Which means the last PR can’t claim.

 

[Shurian]

Mafia should stop killing off my townreads.

The people in my PoE have to step up this day.

If we can't reach a consensus today, we'll say goodbye to Swiss Cheese (Yummy)

And again Rhand what are your candidates for mafia?

 

[Rhand]

13 players, 5 bad guys.

3DSNinja
ExLight
gellnick
Scarlet Rage
Wam
Swiss - werewolf
Wiisp
Rhand - scum
FrozenFlame
Chaco
Whysper
Eido - not vanilla town
Gorf
Detective Mao - town

This was page 2 lol, in case anyone has doubts.

 

[Rhand]

Mafia should stop killing off my townreads.

The people in my PoE have to step up this day.

If we can't reach a consensus today, we'll say goodbye to Swiss Cheese (Yummy)

And again Rhand what are your candidates for mafia?

FrozenFlame is my top candidate. I’m looking for who that matches up with the best and if it holds up.

 

[Rhand]

ExLight Shurian
gellnick
Swiss
Rhand
FrozenFlame
Chaco Utopian
Gorf
Whysper Sherbin

 

[Rhand]

They're too old, but search my name you should see them. Circa 2008 - 2011. All you'll see is a lot of Scum and Indy wins, with me having to carry town if I was unlucky on the role.

I think this is another soft. The only problem is that Swiss’s spew is all we have to look at for finding mafia, and we can’t be sure he actually is the traitor.

 

[Rhand]

Yeah so Wiisp could be any evil.
General scumlean.

Mao stop being so town you'll get yourself killed.

Lol, I am convinced.

 

[Rhand]

About halfway through a read for Swiss spew.
It’s not Exlight or Whysper For sure.
I am getting very paranoid about Gorf. Swiss handled him very much the same as Mao and Eido in his readslists.
But it can also just be a pocket.

Possible mafia:
FrozenFlame
Gellnink
Utopian
Gorf

Reading on.

 

[Shurian]

FF is one of my 2 POE. Just basing off the Day 1. And for lack of content Day 2. Swiss put FF up high on a pedestal, and while this could very well be a trap; I'm inclined to believe that those townreads were meant to steer thread direction.

My second person happened to be gorf. I mean, the buddying that I've seen from gorf... is just a little too suspicious for me.

They also tunneled Wiisp's cop claim and made a big deal out of it. The fact that it is even "arguable" is ridiculous.

Second thing to address:

Chaco was pushed by (almost everyone) in the game, and iirc Gorf, Swiss and Mao were the ones pushing the hardest. Wam, Exlight and even Gellnick were suspected to some extent.

As Swiss mentioned...

How did everyone end up eliminating a town PR over a VT claim? The answer is, there were scum manipulating perception on Wam. Thus, some of the main pushers on Wam are most likely scum. (Gorf hammered - Unfortunately making him more suspicious)

Which also means I have reason to believe that thread were being dictated by scum. Never did the thread, in Day 1, get steered by town at all. Hence as osie has said:

"Everytime I read the thread I question my readlist." or something to that effect.

This shouldnt happen in a normal game where town is dictating the thread. Everyone should be clear on what is happening.

Gellnick was there doing their own thing, iirc they shouldn't be scum. They weren't being pushed along by the thread and chose to stay out of it. Post 1098 by Gellnick (Page 28) is absolutely fantastic to spew him as town.

Whys/Nerbins will always survive to Final 3 due to them being LHF. Or bad scum.

 

[Rhand]

On page 35, Swiss’ first readslist after the Eido Werewolf flip, Swiss suddenly has a townlean on Chaco/Utopian.
Swiss clearly chose Werewolves D1. Maybe being one WW down made him switch gears.

FF is almost certainly mafia.
Second one Utopian or Gorf.

About the Wam lynch: the VT in question is Whysper, right? Also most likely town, so scum shouldn’t care who gets lynched there.

 

[Rhand]

So anyway Gorf not VT, but back off bro...

Ohhh damn here it is,

 

[Rhand]

FF / Gorf mafia, Swiss traitor. Game solved.

 

[Rhand]

** why the ** do i even trust you osie

i almost want you and wiisp to spell out exactly what the **** happened during the Night that led to you two forming a towncore between us 3 and rhand, im having a hard time deciding what i want to believe

i do think ff can be scum, i still gotta say if I was reading her play alone id prob read mao as town but with all things considered i read her play as null and her association with eido reads bad. Swiss can only be traitor, nerbins looks bad but i caaaaaan see twtbw?????? Poyzin should be on the table, rhand should be on the table, gellnick should be on the table, osie taking them off the table makes me want to put him on the table. osie THE person throwing FUD into these eod’s.

I think we ****ing commit to this lynch and don’t listen to osie calling for a cfd. last time we did that we lynched town

Gorf did a lot of this “FF can be scum but he’s nit the WW” talk.
And here he complains that too many people are getting cleared.
It all makes sense.

 

[Shurian]

I didnt think too much of D2 tbh
If I were to go on by D2 standards, I'd have found everyone town ngl

 

[Rhand]

I didnt think too much of D2 tbh
If I were to go on by D2 standards, I'd have found everyone town ngl

Of our conclusion is correct, then scum were playing a great game. It’s the Eido crosskill that broke it open.
which shows that being too townie as scum in multiball isn’t the way to play.

 

[Shurian]

Swiss suddenly has a townlean on Chaco/Utopian.

Do not analyse from D2 onwards. There is potential anti spew (tho he kept hard defending Mao).

There wasnt much besides shading and stuff as per what I remember.

Swiss didnt even go after me for purposefully avoiding the S/S argument question he asked me at the start. (Which btw, on hindsight, is absolutely ridiculous coming from me).

And yes, it was the crosskill that broke the game. There is one question: Why did Mafia attack Eido?

Because they didnt think Swiss would be so bold? Swiss did a really good job of softing the members in d1 tho

 

[Shurian]

Scum was good until they misfired their mafia kill
Rhand and I are stronk
Swiss be questioning why mafia hit Eido, "consensus town" lmao

(Yes, I too thought Eido town when I subbed in for ExLight. I was surprised to see him flip scum)

Wouldnt have made sense of anything in d1 if it werent for that flip either

 

[Shurian]

Being too townie in a multiball is not the way to play, but it would have been the correct choice if Mafia didn't screw it up and shot the cop instead

Hmm but then again they were all sussing Wiisp back in d1 so they were afraid it didn't look good on them or something.
Always wondered why they didnt let live Scarlet for a little longer

 

[Shurian]

gellnick Nerbins UtopianPoyzin
We should follow the lynch
FrozenFlame > Gorf > Swiss (Traitor)

Page 54 has everything you need to convince you that these are the mafia and traitor.

If there are any queries, we have to take action fast.