Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[Rhand]

That’s L-2

I don’t think we should push anymore till eod. I’d like to get some reading in in the next couple of days and I don’t want any premature hammers

Yeh I voted to force out the claim. I don’t want to go to eod without having time to reassess if needed.
I think this is a hit though.

 

[Nerbins]

"Hey Chop, does the PR in an evil faction get promoted to goon and lose their ability if the goon dies, or do they gain the ability to kill and keep their old ability?
Or are you not allowed to answer this? Please don’t just respond by saying nothing"

"Unless stated otherwise, no conversion
Mafia have multi-tasking regarding the night kill only unless stated otherwise."

Think this means you guys were right

 

[Wiisp]

i hope those are not copied and pasted

 

[Nerbins]

Wrote it down word-for-word but that shouldn't be against the rules, technically I could've made it up

 

[Nerbins]

Also funny coincidence, you're a cop in game and out of it too it seems (feel like if I don't clarify this as a joke I'll start a war and Wiisp scares me)

 

[Chop Chop]

Wrote it down word-for-word but that shouldn't be against the rules, technically I could've made it up

Don’t worry. I’m not one of THOSE hosts that are rule heavy.

 

[Shurian]

Where is my vote list
Angery
Chop Chop

 

[Shurian]

Wiisp scares me

Me:
Yes, but you shouldnt be.

And yes, that response seems about the same as I've asked
How dare you not at least paraphrase it smh

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Haven't you been reading? There are a lot of advantages to Scum Wiisp claiming here, even if only just for surviving another day. I understand that you're a new player, if I recall correctly, but we've stated a lot of the reasons already. Don't take everything at face-value.

reading mao’s iso, this is the first real interaction mao has with eido. there was one point where she called him noobtown for some reason in like pg 7 and she mentioned him when casing exlight, but this is the first direct interaction (which eido doesnt respond to). knowing eido is ww, i have a hard time understanding why she singled out eido here in particular when there were enough people talking about it making less sense for wiisp to fakeclaim than for wiisp to just be the real cop. and i dont think im wrong in saying this, but she didnt even bring it up to exlight (yet) even though he was her prime scumread. its strange placement

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

mao also leaves eido out of her readslist on the next page, a readslist made in reaction to the cop claim that had just unfolded in the past 6-7 pages

 

[Shurian]

Vote Count

Detective Mao (4) - Shurian, Gorf, Rhand, Osie
Nerbins (2) - Poyzin, Swiss
Poyzin (1) - Detective Mao

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to Execute!

Grammarly is saying that my name should be Sheridan LOL, am on computer for the first time xD

 

[Shurian]

Worth noting that Frozenflame has completely died out from thread. (Not per the person, but talk about him)

As per my previous list, I noted FF, Mao and Nerbins as potential candidates for WW.
FrozenFlame has interestingly died out from the thread. RL is an unrelenting killer... Not sure whether to give them a chance or not.

Hopefully FF's stuff clears up enough for me to have a good juicy conversation with him

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

after isoing mao up to ~pg 25 or 30, i gotta say im walking away much more overall null than i wouldve figured i would. i find myself agreeing with where osie is coming from with her initial notes regarding mao: her early game was very much centered around being concerned for the health of the thread. scumhunting came kind of as an after thought. when she did scumhunt, it came off as more shallow than i had originally thought of it, and maybe stretched too thin? like what wiisp said about trying to force reads on everyone.

beyond that, if this wasnt multiball id say that there were a lot of instances where she couldve sidelined but chose to scumhunt instead. but i cant call that necessarily protown, since scum have to do that too. i still instinctively read her tone as pretty townie, but then again i dont think thats too hard of a tone to fake if that is just how she is, and i believe her when she says that.

her play has just been overall not very impactful. based on her play alone, its a null where i can see arguments for town and for scum. up to the point where i stopped reading, i feel kind of underwhelmed. she gave a fairly easy read on eido around pg 7 and then just didnt mention him until that post above.

in sum, i feel better about letting go of my reservations on ww!mao that i originally had based on my D1 read of her. the associative read is strong, and lined up against who can potentially be ww from my original poe, the shoe fits.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Worth noting that Frozenflame has completely died out from thread. (Not per the person, but talk about him)

As per my previous list, I noted FF, Mao and Nerbins as potential candidates for WW.
FrozenFlame has interestingly died out from the thread. RL is an unrelenting killer... Not sure whether to give them a chance or not.

Hopefully FF's stuff clears up enough for me to have a good juicy conversation with him

if youre tryna propose an argument for ww!ff by all means step up. i look at his play in conjunction with ww!eido and i see him as more likely maf than ww

 

[Shurian]

Tbf,
38 pages is taking me a bit
I only remember FF having several wallposts and I think I agreed with some of them

 

[Shurian]

I swore I put a post here saying I would be off a bit and can put off boxing FF for another 12 hours

oh well

 

[Wiisp]

Wrote it down word-for-word but that shouldn't be against the rules, technically I could've made it up

the simple respond to this is
if you wouldn't copy your role pm, then why would you copy this
think of it as an extension of your role pm, regardless of where the question was asked
its nice that you at least removed the timestamps, but did you remove the mannerisms? no
aka don't do this, and the lenience of this mod, doesn't change that fact.

and if you are playing like this to throw us off, its gross, either way
this is exactly why mod communication should stay out of the thread, or be as NAI as possible

 

[Wiisp]

Glad you guys still have the wim to figure this game out, since I've been pretty checked out, here's to hoping Mao is correct, if by some chance they claim a PR, then this should create a dichotomy

 

[Rhand]

She should really claim soon now. If she claims PR shortly before the deadline, I’m gonna be upset

 

[Shurian]

since I've been pretty checked out

Why though, I'm pretty sure we can get this hole-in-one. I'm also sure we're on the right track. You will be living through the next night as well, so you cannot "check out" now.

And do you see how pure Nerbins feel? 1. Content-wise so scummy, it can't be scum, and 2. Tone wise, it's so pure, I can't literally touch Nerbins at all.

Are we missing anyone? The mafia hunt game begins the moment WW flips so...

 

[Shurian]

And Nerbins
You know how we do things in FoL, same rules apply here; Don't directly copy and paste those messages. (I know you did because they sent me the exact same answer).

Also, I think Nerbins can look at FrozenFlame for me. Give analysis or face holy retribution

It's like giving English homework >_>

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Funny, that purity in tone was one of the big reasons i townread eido

nerbins reads to me like he’s given up ever since being accused of being scum after nar. Wtf has he does aside from self preserve beyond that? He doesn’t care who scum is. I don’t think he has any real opinions.

 

[Shurian]

I don't know how to explain it
I know he hasn't given up

He's just level 0
He probably doesnt even know how to find scum properly
(Average Town/Mafia ability in FoL)

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

That reminds me, can you explain what you mean when you read someone as L1 or L2? They make no sense to me, even when given context. Can’t tell if it’s alignment indicative

If the problem was not knowing how to find scum properly, I can manage. But I don’t even see him improperly trying to find scum. The only notable thing he’s done all Day is trying to throw FUD onto the claims of him being traitor. I think that takes a certain degree of awareness

 

[Shurian]

Depth of thinking.

L1 I would usually use to describe weaker players who while are there in the moment, aren't "really there". They also are unable to make anything beyond surface level reads. (They are scum because they voted me, ree)

L2 would be more experienced players who can have an idea of threadstate and they often can grasp an idea behind why someone would do the actions they do. When they ask questions, they'd often be looking to reinforce or cancel a read they have through the given answers accordingly. But, they don't see the long con (Most of yall are here)

L3 would be players who have the ability to control thread direction and lead town in troves, as well as deeply understanding the composition and players enough to manipulate them accordingly through subtle actions and words.

(I have been lunched as scum once through a town openwolfing, believe it or not)

I'm still trying out this approach so, I may be wrong at times xD

 

[Nerbins]

You know how we do things in FoL, same rules apply here; Don't directly copy and paste those messages. (I know you did because they sent me the exact same answer).

I wrote it down completely letter for letter and didn’t copy paste, but yeah I might as well have. Sorry, I’ve been out of the game for a while and I thought as long as it wasn’t like a screenshot or a direct quotation it was fine, suppose I remembered wrong

nerbins reads to me like he’s given up ever since being accused of being scum after nar. Wtf has he does aside from self preserve beyond that?

Gorf I might be garbage at this game but I’m not gonna intentionally leave my team to flounder. Sorry if I haven’t been a productive townie but I’ll try and make it up through my ISO of Frozen, it’ll just take some time

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

idgaf how bad you are at the game (and im not the one accusing you of that). bad =/= scummy. my point is that it doesn’t even seem like you’re interested in hunting scum. your interests lie in making people question scumreading you and the mechanics of this game/setup. i can’t think of a notable read you’ve given, when asked about your opinion on things you summarize them without giving a stance (im thinking about when I think shurian asked you about your take on the gamestate and you said there’s a lot of arguing and that the most juicy thing in the thread is that people were accusing you of being traitor. It comes off like you’re disinterested in hunting scum, but want to be present enough so that we don’t accuse you of being frozen.

 

[Nerbins]

It comes off like you’re disinterested in hunting scum

It’s not that I’m disinterested, it’s just that I had little faith in my scum hunting abilities and I agreed with the consensus on Mao. I’ll give ISOing Frozen a shot and let you know what I think even if it would sound bad for me

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

is your plan to sheep your way until endgame? Cuz the game isn’t over after we lynch the last wolf, we’ll still have 3 scum left after that

 

[Nerbins]

It’s not
I’ll try to make actual reads and I’m not gonna sheep

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

so looking at the case for ff!ww on pg 37-38, i can see where y’all get off calling it strange for ff to say eido is “probably good,” then putting him as a null read (his list was unordered). i do think that’s a fairly lazy read, but I feel like a ww!ff would want to make a bit of distance from his mate before making that null read. a lot of town was townreading him fairly heavily then, why not throw some FUD on that conviction before giving the null read? in conclusion, i can see where the arguments coming from but i don’t think it’s quite as strong as the argument for ww!mao

plus i can’t help but go back to eido’s pov: he made outward efforts to scumhunt pretty much the whole cast, including ff. and his probing of ff seems consistent with his probing of the rest of the players.

 

[Detective Mao]

No more 'FM-while-busy', grr

For what it's worth, I'm a VT

I doubt there's any chance I'm going to change anyone's mind, and regardless of my alignment, I've been playing horribly – really sorry about that. Nevertheless, I wish you all good luck^^

Vote: Mao

 

[Wiisp]

Wtf did u just hammer yourself

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Nah, I think that’s L-1

 

[Nerbins]

Gorf if you’re still on I’d unvote Mao just in case.
So I’m gonna take Mao putting herself at L-1 as practically an openwolf since that’s not advantageous for us in any way, that plus given her tone so far I’d imagine she’d be more upset about this turn of events so that’s odd

 

[Wiisp]

I'll take that as completely NAI, that whole post is advantageous for no alignment. But I still believe **** like that tends to come from town way before it comes from a wolf. It mostly depends on if mao thought they were hammering themself or not.

 

[Rhand]

I'll take that as completely NAI, that whole post is advantageous for no alignment. But I still believe **** like that tends to come from town way before it comes from a wolf. It mostly depends on if mao thought they were hammering themself or not.

For town it would be a game-throwing move. For WW even more. So probably mafia?

 

[Wiisp]

For town it would be a game-throwing move. For WW even more. So probably mafia?

Ohh it's pretty bad, I just don't agree with it making mao an obvious wolf

 

[osieorb18]

Unvote

 

[osieorb18]

Sigh