osieorb18
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Unlikely, (un)fortunately.
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Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread
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Wiisp
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Yes I do see it, else I would calling for his execute. His question to the mod throws me off, which is why he shouldn't have done that, regardless of his alignment
Also my wim died when Wam was a garbage town role, and if the last PR is anything like that, then I'm not living tonight. Its almost like the mod tried so hard to weaken us even though the odds were already stacked against us, but I will give him, a setup like this can be super swingy
Nerbins
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Right finished ISOing Frozen and I'm slightly leaning town for him
I like how his tone's consistent (apparently his tone's NAI but it stayed consistent so there's that), and while I don't like wallposts I liked the ones he made, seemed like he was genuinely trying to be helpful (partially barring his feud with Wiisp), and I know this doesn't mean as much in multiball but I still get good vibes from the posts.
Biggest red flag for me is probably Eido interactions, he doesn't have all that many and he placed middle in Eido's final list, but I still think there's a good chance Mao's ww so hopefully this doubt will be resolved.
Smaller red flag is how hard he doubted Wiisp's cop claim, I can see why he'd think Wiisp would fake it D1 (I still think it'd be too reckless to do that but apparently that's something Wiisp would do so sure), but overall he seemed a bit too eager to throw doubt on it. This red flag is mitigated by the fact that he later stated he fought the claim so hard partially out of frustration and clarified that he believed he was town, albeit a selfish one. Doesn't entirely remove the red flag but it makes me feel better about it.
Also while right now I don't think Frozen is mafia, if he was, his partner definitely wouldn't be Wiisp and I doubt it'd be Rhand or Exlight/Shurian, but he did later state he thought Exlight was probably town so that's more likely than the other two I mentioned. As to who likely partners would be, I'm not sure yet, hopefully on future ISO's I can come up with some people.
Also have a bit of RL stuff going on for the next two weeks, shouldn't interfere with this too much but I'll be a tad less active than before. Probably gonna ISO Swiss next since I've been having theories swirling in my head for a bit but I'm open to suggestions
Also what is HBC
I like how his tone's consistent (apparently his tone's NAI but it stayed consistent so there's that), and while I don't like wallposts I liked the ones he made, seemed like he was genuinely trying to be helpful (partially barring his feud with Wiisp), and I know this doesn't mean as much in multiball but I still get good vibes from the posts.
Biggest red flag for me is probably Eido interactions, he doesn't have all that many and he placed middle in Eido's final list, but I still think there's a good chance Mao's ww so hopefully this doubt will be resolved.
Smaller red flag is how hard he doubted Wiisp's cop claim, I can see why he'd think Wiisp would fake it D1 (I still think it'd be too reckless to do that but apparently that's something Wiisp would do so sure), but overall he seemed a bit too eager to throw doubt on it. This red flag is mitigated by the fact that he later stated he fought the claim so hard partially out of frustration and clarified that he believed he was town, albeit a selfish one. Doesn't entirely remove the red flag but it makes me feel better about it.
Also while right now I don't think Frozen is mafia, if he was, his partner definitely wouldn't be Wiisp and I doubt it'd be Rhand or Exlight/Shurian, but he did later state he thought Exlight was probably town so that's more likely than the other two I mentioned. As to who likely partners would be, I'm not sure yet, hopefully on future ISO's I can come up with some people.
Also have a bit of RL stuff going on for the next two weeks, shouldn't interfere with this too much but I'll be a tad less active than before. Probably gonna ISO Swiss next since I've been having theories swirling in my head for a bit but I'm open to suggestions
Also what is HBC
Detective Mao
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...Actually
Unvote
Chop Chop
request to replace out.
I really didn't want to do this because.. well, it'd be really ****ty to replace out when I'm being pressured. But I honestly feel like this game takes up more effort and time than I can currently give, and seeing as I've been everyone's top choice for 3-4 days straight, there's nothing I can do to change the outcome by being online for ~3 hours a day. After thinking about it, I'd rather do this than throw, even though both of these are really bad options. My vote was completely NAI, so please ignore it.
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Chop Chop
request to replace out.I really didn't want to do this because.. well, it'd be really ****ty to replace out when I'm being pressured. But I honestly feel like this game takes up more effort and time than I can currently give, and seeing as I've been everyone's top choice for 3-4 days straight, there's nothing I can do to change the outcome by being online for ~3 hours a day. After thinking about it, I'd rather do this than throw, even though both of these are really bad options. My vote was completely NAI, so please ignore it.
Wiisp
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everyone and their mom wanted to play suboptimally day 1, and still vote me
people really had to think about not executing a PR that is known to everyone
so why is it that Mao is worse?
I am pretty sure you are just a parrot, you are parroting Gorf's work
and your Frozen conclusion makes no sense
where exactly are all the evils in your opinion?
I am in no way solving this game before I die, but I will make certain people answer my questions
people really had to think about not executing a PR that is known to everyone
so why is it that Mao is worse?
I am pretty sure you are just a parrot, you are parroting Gorf's work
and your Frozen conclusion makes no sense
where exactly are all the evils in your opinion?
I am in no way solving this game before I die, but I will make certain people answer my questions
Wiisp
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STOP REPLACING OUT IN THE THREAD, ITS NOT HARD...Actually
Unvote
I really didn't want to do this because.. well, it'd be really ****ty to replace out when I'm being pressured. But I honestly feel like this game takes up more effort and time than I can currently give, and seeing as I've been everyone's top choice for 3-4 days straight, there's nothing I can do to change the outcome by being online for ~3 hours a day. After thinking about it, I'd rather do this than throw, even though both of these are really bad options. My vote was completely NAI, so please ignore it.
jesus christ
sigh
Wiisp
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My best guess is it's probably like frozen/swiss/nerb/x
Neeb is probably the traitor in this world, honestly don't know why I am voting him here, but like I'm not going to get traction on frozen or Swiss', and I'm starting to have doubts on mao.
Rhand
Also after seeing CC's however despicably play , assuming that Mao's self-vote comes from Mafia is silly, they are not an outted wolf. But the self vote makes it hard to play around, and it completely muddies all interactions afterwards
Neeb is probably the traitor in this world, honestly don't know why I am voting him here, but like I'm not going to get traction on frozen or Swiss', and I'm starting to have doubts on mao.
Rhand
Also after seeing CC's however despicably play , assuming that Mao's self-vote comes from Mafia is silly, they are not an outted wolf. But the self vote makes it hard to play around, and it completely muddies all interactions afterwards
Shurian
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Reading "past FrozenFlame" now. "Current FrozenFlame" is just gone.
Am thinking of a CFD onto FF. Sucks that RL is a thing but it's one of the three, or should we be reassessing our options?
Mao isn't helping with the replace out at all.
Nerbins
Is Mao a better choice than Frozen? Make a stance.
Am thinking of a CFD onto FF. Sucks that RL is a thing but it's one of the three, or should we be reassessing our options?
Mao isn't helping with the replace out at all.
Nerbins
Is Mao a better choice than Frozen? Make a stance.
osieorb18
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Wolf's still frozen or mao, IMO.My best guess is it's probably like frozen/swiss/nerb/x
Neeb is probably the traitor in this world, honestly don't know why I am voting him here, but like I'm not going to get traction on frozen or Swiss', and I'm starting to have doubts on mao.
Also after seeing CC's however despicably play , assuming that Mao's self-vote comes from Mafia is silly, they are not an outted wolf. But the self vote makes it hard to play around, and it completely muddies all interactions afterwards
osieorb18
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osieorb18
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Easy: I'm Shinichi.
It's probably Mao or Frozen.
The fact that Frozen disappeared suggests they might be the play here.
Vote: Frozen
osieorb18
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Sure, let's CFD. Mao's tantrum shouldn't be rewarded with an elimination and they're replacing so that's the end of that.Reading "past FrozenFlame" now. "Current FrozenFlame" is just gone.
Am thinking of a CFD onto FF. Sucks that RL is a thing but it's one of the three, or should we be reassessing our options?
Mao isn't helping with the replace out at all.
gellnick
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I'm not sure I really like Mao deciding to replace out, it feels really sudden and wolfy.
I don't know if it'd be better to eliminate Mao first or what, and I'm not sure of the current vote situation (
Chop Chop
).
I've been reading Nerbins's posts, and tbh, I'm not sure what to think. Could be my lack of sleep but I'm leaning towards them being Town.
However, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe there's scum in the towncore - almost every game I've played where scum has won, the towncore has at least one wolf, and that's true for this game (See: Eido).
I'll continue this thought tomorrow when I've had some sleep.
I don't know if it'd be better to eliminate Mao first or what, and I'm not sure of the current vote situation (
Chop Chop
).I've been reading Nerbins's posts, and tbh, I'm not sure what to think. Could be my lack of sleep but I'm leaning towards them being Town.
However, I'm beginning to wonder if maybe there's scum in the towncore - almost every game I've played where scum has won, the towncore has at least one wolf, and that's true for this game (See: Eido).
I'll continue this thought tomorrow when I've had some sleep.
Shurian
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I'd rather say Mao's AtE shouldn't be rewarded with a clearance? I've seen this happen too many times as town or scum.
Yeah would like more stuff from FF. He should be able to give some thought about current threadstate.
Do we even have a towncore rn Dx
Shurian
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Mostly town* But all of them got lynched afterwards
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
you’ve used this logic twice and i think it’s ****ty
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
**** why the **** do i even trust you osie
i almost want you and wiisp to spell out exactly what the **** happened during the Night that led to you two forming a towncore between us 3 and rhand, im having a hard time deciding what i want to believe
i do think ff can be scum, i still gotta say if I was reading her play alone id prob read mao as town but with all things considered i read her play as null and her association with eido reads bad. Swiss can only be traitor, nerbins looks bad but i caaaaaan see twtbw?????? Poyzin should be on the table, rhand should be on the table, gellnick should be on the table, osie taking them off the table makes me want to put him on the table. osie THE person throwing FUD into these eod’s.
I think we ****ing commit to this lynch and don’t listen to osie calling for a cfd. last time we did that we lynched town
i almost want you and wiisp to spell out exactly what the **** happened during the Night that led to you two forming a towncore between us 3 and rhand, im having a hard time deciding what i want to believe
i do think ff can be scum, i still gotta say if I was reading her play alone id prob read mao as town but with all things considered i read her play as null and her association with eido reads bad. Swiss can only be traitor, nerbins looks bad but i caaaaaan see twtbw?????? Poyzin should be on the table, rhand should be on the table, gellnick should be on the table, osie taking them off the table makes me want to put him on the table. osie THE person throwing FUD into these eod’s.
I think we ****ing commit to this lynch and don’t listen to osie calling for a cfd. last time we did that we lynched town
Wiisp
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How the hell do u still not know, and there is a reason why I said evaluate Osie if you want regardless of his alignment
Idk what you want me to do, I will move to mao by EOD if I need to, but if that flips town I will be aggravated
People play against their wincons all the time, and it should be NAI,but you know what, it has a higher percentage of coming from frustrated town than the latter, the only problem is the smaller poe here
Rhands take is bad, but like it only ****ing makes sense of he is exactly aligned with Mao as partners
Idk what you want me to do, I will move to mao by EOD if I need to, but if that flips town I will be aggravated
People play against their wincons all the time, and it should be NAI,but you know what, it has a higher percentage of coming from frustrated town than the latter, the only problem is the smaller poe here
Rhands take is bad, but like it only ****ing makes sense of he is exactly aligned with Mao as partners
I probably wasn’t clear then. I want to lynch Mao before a replacement comes in so we don’t waste one.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
I feel like I do know but I have enough reason to doubt my ability to read through the lines because you don’t seem to fully trust osie. So much of my ****ing operative game plan revolves around trusting you cuz you’re the claimed cop, but osie ****ing tryna CFD again gives me serious pause.
This game is frustrating to read because it’s easy to look like town when you actually do have to scumhunt and when y’all refuse to read all of the players with a sense of conviction, choosing to half ass a read or let it linger on a feel about a very specific thing. Don’t take this as vague, I’m directly calling you out at this point for not doing your job in calling plays and sitting on the sidelines wiisp. You’re ****ing outed cop and you can’t even commit to any sort of read on half the playerlist. Makes me think I should think about your claim being legit again but **** apparently I’d be a total dip**** if I started thinking that right?
I’m honestly sold on the fact that as long as we lynch maf or we here toDay, we’re fine. So in the end I’m more open to looking beyond who might be ww, but it’s really annoying to play a game where mad people have egos but nobody has a real sense of outward urgency. And I do get it, this setup is looking worse and worse the longer it goes on, and it didn’t look all that good from the jump. But like **** man, grow some and let’s ****ing lynch scummy ****. Let’s not reward ****ty play with keeping it alive, how about that angle?
/rant
This game is frustrating to read because it’s easy to look like town when you actually do have to scumhunt and when y’all refuse to read all of the players with a sense of conviction, choosing to half ass a read or let it linger on a feel about a very specific thing. Don’t take this as vague, I’m directly calling you out at this point for not doing your job in calling plays and sitting on the sidelines wiisp. You’re ****ing outed cop and you can’t even commit to any sort of read on half the playerlist. Makes me think I should think about your claim being legit again but **** apparently I’d be a total dip**** if I started thinking that right?
I’m honestly sold on the fact that as long as we lynch maf or we here toDay, we’re fine. So in the end I’m more open to looking beyond who might be ww, but it’s really annoying to play a game where mad people have egos but nobody has a real sense of outward urgency. And I do get it, this setup is looking worse and worse the longer it goes on, and it didn’t look all that good from the jump. But like **** man, grow some and let’s ****ing lynch scummy ****. Let’s not reward ****ty play with keeping it alive, how about that angle?
/rant
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
I think I’m gonna resign to the fact that it’s the setup that’s getting me flustered more than anything. I didn’t realize I don’t like multiball, but it turns out I just don’t like multiball. It’s too hard to trust your own ****ing reads
Nerbins
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Yes, Mao had practically no interactions with Eido, I haven't eased up on her tone and I still don't like the post she made when she voted herself (don't know if I buy her saying it's "completely NAI"), to me she's still scummier than Frozen
Honestly I don't know yet
One of the last games I played, everyone in the PoE was good and one or more of the town leaders was evil. Probably just paranoia but to ease that feeling I might give ISOing Gorf a shot.
Wiisp
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#HBC | Gorf
I'm pretty sure that Mao is either a wolf, or exactly aligned with Eido, I really don't see them being part of the other faction given how this is going today, and their play here
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
do you mean town or exactly aligned with eido? I can agree on that. And I’m not staunchly opposed to resigning my mo to kill ww if it means town is looking to lynch someone I read as scum, but what’s hurting is that most of town seems to not wanna commit to a lynch. I get it, mling ****ing stings harder than in a more normal game. But like ****
I'm pretty sure that Mao is either a wolf, or exactly aligned with Eido, I really don't see them being part of the other faction given how this is going today, and their play here
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Mao is mislynch bait, Nerbins is surely evil, would be so much easier just voting out Nerbins.
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I don't really know how else to describe it. The whole thread died down when Mao was on the block, somehow nobody has any problems with it, and Mao is townie enough to not be obvious ww. I'm pretty sure Gorf was saying that his read on Mao was more null in hindsight which is the perfect backdoor to another mislynch, still think it's very likely that Gorf is mafia but I don't want to commit to that yet. Nerbins is the best exe why does this have to be so difficult ;-;