Mafia and Werewolves Gamethread

[osieorb18]

I mean considering one goon's dead there's only one evil PR now if you don't count traitor

Am I misremembering the setup? I thought there was 1 PR per evil faction.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Swiss 1822

 

[osieorb18]

This is like the Wam lynch and Scarlet push guys.

It just does not make any sense.

Feel like some cuck white knight now.

Mao and Eido had literally zero interaction.

 

[Swiss]

Mao and Eido had literally zero interaction.

Given Mao is an experienced player, why does this make them teammates, as Mao would have forced content.

 

[Swiss]

Swiss 1822

Read that, you're looking at it through the lens of D2 suspicion - but not accounting for the D1 townread that was common.

Nerbins lynch tyvm

 

[Rhand]

Swiss wanting the traitor dead so hard probably means he’s not the traitor (all eyes would turn back to him if our traitor doesn’t flip traitor), unless he values Mao’s life above his own.
It also makes him not the second WW for sure (traitor lynching would be very bad for his wincon).
It most likely means he’s not mafia, and if he is, it’s with exactly Mao (saving the buddy > saving the traitor.

I haven’t read everything yet. Has Mao claimed? If not, they should.

 

[Wiisp]

Mao has not claimed, and Nerbian looks super bad
also not to be the guy that just sits and dismantles everything, but experience reads are pretty bad
and no, "What Rhand is doing is NAI", is not an experience read, so don't try that rebuttal on me

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Given Mao is an experienced player, why does this make them teammates, as Mao would have forced content.

“experienced” a year and a half and 15 games under your belt, I can see them not thinking of interacting. **** mao may have tried and eido may have just not with her. His 2nd game, I can totally see him not thinking of the ramifications of not interacting and her having other things on her mind than faking interaction

Also you’re bad at the game if you think lynching the traitor is the proper move here. Sorry not sorry

 

[Swiss]

Lynching traitor pushes all wincons back apart from ours what the **** are you SMOKING.

yes there will be 2 shots tonight not a potential 1 shot tonight

but mafia go from 3 to 2 and WW 2 to 1

plus then from traitor info we can read who the scum are

PLUS mafia and ww might shoot each other

 

[Rhand]

Lynching traitor pushes all wincons back apart from ours what the **** are you SMOKING.

yes there will be 2 shots tonight not a potential 1 shot tonight

but mafia go from 3 to 2 and WW 2 to 1

plus then from traitor info we can read who the scum are

PLUS mafia and ww might shoot each other

We don’t need the traitor dead to win though.
Having the chance to get rid of an evil steered kill is way more valuable.
The traitor only needs to die the Day before he enables one of the scum teams to win (unless we have outed scum, they still go first)

 

[Nerbins]

Ok
So let's say if I am a traitor, and I know who evils are, who are they, you should be asking this before you kill me just in case
Also wdym, getting traitor right now isn't smart, getting traitor isn't a wincon for us and right now we're at a potential LyLo, risking someone who has a pretty good chance of being the WW as opposed to someone who everyone agrees isn't is better all around since if we are right, we've got a better chance and if we're wrong we're still not completely dead

 

[Rhand]

Ok
So let's say if I am a traitor, and I know who evils are, who are they, you should be asking this before you kill me just in case
Also wdym, getting traitor right now isn't smart, getting traitor isn't a wincon for us and right now we're at a potential LyLo, risking someone who has a pretty good chance of being the WW as opposed to someone who everyone agrees isn't is better all around since if we are right, we've got a better chance and if we're wrong we're still not completely dead

Can you just tell us who the werewolf is so we don’t accidentally lynch a mafia? That would hurt your win chances

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Reason #4278 this game is scuffed

Traitor SHOULDN’T count toward scum’s numbers, they SHOULD count toward town’s numbers. They SHOULD count toward scum’s numbers if they get recruited. But we can’t get any confirmation on that cuz we can’t get decent sample pm’s

With that logic the game is 8 v 2 v 1. A traitor lynch gets us to 7 v 2 v 1. Two town kills get us to 5 v 2 v 1, and town is more ****ed and pretty much back to square 1. Those numbers are the same if we ml town, but just worse because one of our 5 is playing for either of the other scum teams.

if we lynch ww, the game is at 8 v 2 going into the Night. They kill town, the game is at 7 v 2. We kill traitor and they kill town, the game is at 5 v 2.

I’d rather try hunting ww than defaulting to traitor

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop

or decent communication with mod

 

[Nerbins]

Theory time
Swiss is traitor, is worried that scum think I'm traitor due to me being suspicious, and wants me dead so scum knows I'm not traitor. Doesn't matter if all eyes would go to them after since they're traitor

Also not sure who read what I said earlier or not but mod said that you don't get alerted if you're RB'd unless it's specified

 

[Nerbins]

Can you just tell us who the werewolf is so we don’t accidentally lynch a mafia? That would hurt your win chances

You have no idea how tempted I was to throw everything to the wind and say "alright it's Mao" but I'd be yelled at after the game ended/screw us over if I was wrong

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What does “don’t get alerted if you’re RB’d” mean? Be specific

what does “unless it’s specified” mean? Be specific plz

or is that it

 

[Nerbins]

What does “don’t get alerted if you’re RB’d” mean? Be specific

what does “unless it’s specified” mean? Be specific plz

or is that it

"Hey Chop question do people get alerted if they're roleblocked?"
"No
Unless stated otherwise"

 

[Nerbins]

In short it’s entirely possible that Wiisp was roleblocked

 

[Wiisp]

each outcome going out of the time still depends on how bad wolves and mafia are, but given I exist, without a protection, one would probably kill
they can also accidentally double stack
so like it's still not super bad here

we just need to hit an evil, and I would prefer the other that is aligned with Eido though

 

[Nerbins]

Am I misremembering the setup? I thought there was 1 PR per evil faction.

Yeah but one of the goons is dead so they probably became goon to replace them

 

[Nerbins]

*the WW’s PR became the new WW goon

 

[Wiisp]

yes it is easy possible I was roleblocked, its probably the correct assumption here
but that in itself does not make you look better or worse, I actually didn't even need my assumptions that you possibly were commuted to dislike your slot previously, given how I have seen Whysper play in the past

and given your posts today you look worse imo

 

[Wiisp]

Yeah but one of the goons is dead so they probably became goon to replace them

what? its doubtful that is a thing, it is possible though, that they are able to use their factional kill and PR
I have never seen that happened, such an odd assumption

 

[Shurian]

I'm here waiting for Nerbins to get out of the LHF mode because if not he's most likely the designated lynch today, I haven't seen content amazing enough to not suspect him yet.
Nvm, I'm okay with Nerbins just from the few posts above. I'm thinking he's L1 and should be treated as such.

The current push on him makes me feel that there are scum seeking to push onto him, (WW). The lack of anyone protecting him also makes him a far more likely mislynch: Traitor would rather protect their WW through pushing onto a LHF.

Mao's a candidate for WW today... Because the other WW would want attention off that soft from the traitor. She's the only one who expressed that, and it's really unfortunate, the rest of you guys seems like experienced players, so I'd treat everyone as such.

Gorf is really going up my list right now, but he was never a WW candidate from what I'm seeing. I daresay I'd only be able to read everyone after the WW dies.

My reads NOW:

Traitor: Swiss (If they claim Seer and no one counterclaims, I'll, well, find Mr. Shakedown and let him take all my money)

WW Candidates:
Mao/Nerbins(?)/FrozenFlame(???)

Town/Mafia List: (Not Ordered, maybe...)
Gellnick/Rhand/Wiisp/Utopian/Osieorb/Gorf

"Hey Chop question do people get alerted if they're roleblocked?"
"No
Unless stated otherwise"

Well... at least Chop Chop's going to get a lot of feedback about how to create a good OP xD

It's clear to me that they used the FoL roleblocking as a guide, where whether you are roleblocked or prevented from visiting a player to get results, you will be informed with a general statement : "You slept peacefully." I'm not sure if that's what Wiisp got because it's a new host doing this after all.

 

[Swiss]

If Wiisp*was* roleblocked that ads yup to a nerbins ww.

Win/Win

Mao not a lynch toDay

 

[Wiisp]

If Wiisp*was* roleblocked that ads yup to a nerbins ww.

Win/Win

Mao not a lynch toDay

how specifically?

 

[Nerbins]

If Wiisp*was* roleblocked that ads yup to a nerbins ww.

Win/Win

Mao not a lynch toDay

Ah yes, let me, as WW, offer an avenue that no one was forcing me to make that would make more people want to lynch me.
I may be the shadiest person on earth but I at least have a few brain cells

 

[Rhand]

I’m pretty sure the other thing that happened to Wiisp was the ww’s doing. If he was roleblocked, it was the mafia team (duh)

 

[Shurian]

To add on:

Mao's a candidate for WW today... Because the other WW would want attention off that soft from the traitor. She's the only one who expressed that, and it's really unfortunate, the rest of you guys seems like experienced players, so I'd treat everyone as such.

When I meant by everyone being experienced players, I have actively identified those who very have clear experience in these mafia games (Swiss/Rhand/FrozenFlame/Gorf/Chaco[Poy])

That also applies to the weaker players.
(Nerbins, Osie, Mao, Me and Wiisp)

[About to get cooked by osie]

I have no idea where to place gellnick >_>, I remember townreading him but then I forgot all about him already.

 

[Wiisp]

I am not a weak player

 

[Shurian]

Would a seer claim actually help right now?

 

[Wiisp]

only if they are about to be executed, because else it just gives wolves/mafia more options to eliminate that don't actively help remove people from the PoE and/or possible deep wolves

 

[Shurian]

Yeah, you're right
Doesnt make sense to out if we're on the right track...
Aight imma brb

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Mao's a candidate for WW today... Because the other WW would want attention off that soft from the traitor. She's the only one who expressed that, and it's really unfortunate, the rest of you guys seems like experienced players, so I'd treat everyone as such.

can you reword this, i don’t quite understand what you’re getting at here

 

[Detective Mao]

Here's where I would make my awesome, full-blown case about all possible WWs but I forgot I never had the time to individually ISO every single person here
This was supposed to be low effort, so instead I'll ramble about the push on me

The whole problem with the "Mao is WW" push is that my lack of interaction isn't exclusive to Eido only, so it's really iffy to use that as a main point. I get that Eido themself hasn't talked about me, but just because you can't instantly find someone who would be obvious buddies with Eido doesn't mean I must be the werewolf. Eido only has one page of content anyway. Osie literally has one interaction with Eido, and that's exactly why the amount of interactions doesn't matter here.
Have you considered their teammate could have... you know. Simply distanced? Most of the people here are veterans with years of experience. They could've coached Eido in scumchat. I'm not going to argue about this, but I'm stating this as it's an important part of today's analysis, and I do advise you to be more open-minded since the push deliberately ignores these points.
Also, from what I read, asking questions with no follow-up doesn't make people not W/W and you're silly if you tell me otherwise ¯\(ツ)/¯

Overall:

1. Eido's low volume of content and my lack of interactions with people D1 in general doesn't make it too unreasonable for us to have no interactions together
2. A lot of people are experienced, so it's possible Eido and their teammate could have simply distanced
3. Eido's handling of my slot also makes sense if I'm just town, especially so since I was universally townread D1

gellnick / Nerbins = 100% not W/W with Eido
Swiss / Gorf / FrozenFlame = Probably not W/W with Eido
Rhand = Has one instance where Eido talked to them like they were town, pretty much nothing otherwise. Some things suggest these two could be W/W
Osie / Shurian / UtopianPoyzin = Can see a W/W world with them

The point of this post? These interaction reads are stupid and make no sense, I townread both Osie and Shurian. Stop being silly and base your pushes on something else, or if you insist on doing these, stop making level 1 -reads when it comes to people with 10+ years of experience

 

[Shurian]

It's about the world that I've built solely for my viewing pleasure.

Jokes aside,
Post #28 in page 1 highly suggests that Swiss was Traitor softing to Eido that he was traitor. The rest of Swiss's posts dont matter because they happen to be those SoC posts that I really can't read, it breaks my own stream of consciousness. Rhand pointed this post #28 out earlier D2 as well. It's really coincidental to be a joke.

So, the other WW would most likely have picked up on this through their scumchat and want that particular situation to be shifted away.

I said the last sentence about the experienced players because I think other players wouldnt actually show their desire to move on from the topic this obviously, as everyone has more experience than Mao.

And no, Mao isn't experienced enough yet. They still have a lot of growing to do, before they can curb stomp the guys from my site.

(Look at Nerbins as if he's confirmed town for average town skill of my site)

level 1 -reads when it comes to people with 10+ years of experience

There's a problem, which is that I'm treating most of these players as L2. I'm treating you as L2, and using L1 to base as a push accordingly.

And besides, most of these players have around 4~7 years of experience lol

Also, this current post here is the reason why I'm voting you in the first place.

I'll look into this Eido guy but I never based me pushing you on his actions. Only thing I remember about him was "I TR him for mindmeld, oh he died, oh he scum"

Please do make a remark if I have looked into Eido or looked like I have done so, I think I may have forgotten something in the last 24 hours

 

[gellnick]

Apologies for very low content for the past few days, expect it to continue through today. I'm suddenly busier than I expected I would be.
I'll give a quick readlist for now:
gellnick (me) - Town
Wiisp - Town due to cop claim
Rhand - Town for reasons I've stated earlier, still haven't seen much that has made me change that
Osie - Townlean, don't really have a reason, more of a gut feel at this point
Gorf - Townlean, seems to be actively trying to help town
Shurian - Null, still haven't really been able to read them, partially due to my low level of activity recently
FrozenFlame - Same as shurian rn
Swiss - Scumlean, seems to be much more helpful today than yesterday but still not quite what I'd expect from a Town.
Utopian/Nerbins - I'm just getting a scum vibe, not sure what alignment they are but I don't really like them too much.

 

[osieorb18]

Lynching traitor pushes all wincons back apart from ours what the **** are you SMOKING.

yes there will be 2 shots tonight not a potential 1 shot tonight

but mafia go from 3 to 2 and WW 2 to 1

plus then from traitor info we can read who the scum are

PLUS mafia and ww might shoot each other

And town goes from 7 to 4 no matter who on the non-town side is eliminated. 6 to 3 otherwise.

 

[Shurian]

this current post here is the reason why I'm voting you in the first place.

To clarify
My latest post explains why I voted Mao and think they're our WW. I do not sus Mao because of their quote or post this day.