Nice, finally an argument. This oughta be fun.
*WARNING: Giant wall of text approaching!*
(As a side-note, I had a little fun with the names in the quotes to make the answering process slightly less tedious.)
Nobody ever remembers that I have school, I'm not lurking, I'M LEARNING! T__T
This is what i mean, Zensei, I meant more along the lines of the fact that I'm going to put my emotions aside (emotions being: My embarrassment/frustration that frozen turned up scum) and realize that, hey, that actually works TOWARDS my win condition, so we're all good here!
Anyways, I'm going to provide a case to get another scum lynched. To those voting for me, I do sincerely hope you take my case into consideration so that you do not lynch another townie. Although, I'm sure at least one person on my vote right now is scum.
And that person is Nicholas.
First of all, I'd like to bring up what Chibo said about Nich's claim making no sense now that everyone has claimed. First of all, I'm not saying that every claim is to be believed, but at least we have a basis on what IS and what ISN'T. At this point in the game, it would've been unwise for tracker/doctor to stay hidden unless they have never sent in a night action and have never gotten any results, which, seeing the people in this game, is very unlikely.
OBJECTION!
First off, you're assuming people always play optimally. Yes, it is unwise for a (town) tracker/watcher to stay hidden at this point, but people make mistakes. (Not that this is an extremely likely scenario, but I'm pointing it out anyway.)
Second off, you're forgetting Kirbyoshi's role. That means that there is probably a recruiting role in this game, and it's quite possible that they recruited the tracker/watcher.
Third off, you're metaing Xiivi. Although Gravedigger strongly implies the existence of a tracker/watcher, isn't it quite possible that Xiivi just threw the role in to throw everybody off? After all, gravediggers/millers aren't usually told their role, whilst I was. And from the flips we already have, this is obviously a complex setup.
Meta-SCUM said:
Now, let me remind everyone how long Nich has been riding this claim:
Clicking his name in the "search" bar gives this as his first post:
First post, with VERY slight pressure, Nich claims. This has always stuck into my mind, because he clearly states above that he probably didn't follow the game as closely as he should have, and therefore, claimed out of pressure, even though there was none; but then, Nich didn't know that. We see by frozen's lynch that scum PROBABLY has some safe role claims/name claims, and Nich's claim hasn't exactly been substantiated by ANY other individual in the game bar possibly Kirbyo's role.
You fail. I was not claiming because of pressure. I claimed because I hold that miller/gravedigger roles should always claim up front. Here's the quote to prove it.
I think that miller/gravedigger players should always claim upfront if they know their role. That way should they later be copped/tracked, they don't cause an unnecessary claim and mislynch later. But let me read up. I've got nearly 20 pages to go through here.
I want to know how on EARTH you missed this. It was right in-between two posts that you did quote, and was only my second post of the game. I think you cherry-picked my post to come up with an argument, SCUM.
Post #291[/URL]. It's too big to quote directly, but he literally pointed suspicion at ALL the confirmed town members that we have now: MarshEE, OS, Omni, and Kirbybot. His reasoning is simply parrots of what's been going on: i.e, Kirby-bot's terribad posting, Omni being aggressive (which, he somehow doesn't have a problem with now? Maybe realizing Omni's influence?). I dunno, his reread post, if he's scum, is really designed to ward people off his trail, which he may have tried to do by targeting a wide variety of townie targets.
Post 312
In this post, the thing that struck me odd is the fact that Nich is perfectly willing to throw out onto the table who he thinks is scum, but unwilling to reveal his town reads, saying he wants to keep them secret. Have we, exactly, seen these town reads come up again?
As anyone that plays mafia should know, revealing town reads on people that aren't under fire just tells scum who to NK. Which is why I didn't reveal them.
Understand yet?
kirbymaf said:
SUCH an easy post to make as the Kirbyo lynch would have proceeded. Masks any sort of "doubt" by claiming that he has to reread. Gives an insubstantial argument saying that he's "just being him". <--how exactly is this an argument? Besides, Nichscum would've known Kirbyo would've turned up town, so this is an incredibly easy way for him to have sidestepped the blame.
Ever heard of the thing called META? Let me clue you in. Kirbyoshi is not a good player. He gets mislynched as town a TON. Just check Batmafia 2, where he singlehandedly caused 2 mislynches (one of which was his own) by misreading his role PM. Given that most of his points were solid, and my suspicion of him was based on one awful post, now you understand why I was slowly backing off. Also, I was never on the lynch. Unlike you. Kirbyoshi was never more than a brief secondary target for me, and in the end I defended him and was right about him being town. So, TRY AGAIN.
scuMK said:
Take of this what you will, but I'm willing to bet that Nich was too scared to attempt to at least find a song to safeclaim b/c at this point in the game, it would've been a pretty risky move. This post is in regards to a "mass song claim", which we know now that scum =/= Avril songs!
MAJOR reach here. Scum has safeclaims, don't you think that means they have songclaims as well? FAIL.
DidYouActuallyReadAllTheseNames said:
:OOOOO. What's this now? Frozen is definitely not the play. He said he didn't see Kirbyo as being scummy above, but just "being Kirbyo". Again, he's attempting to sidestep the blame, to get out of the spotlight, to do things because "mehh, it'll be okay if we do it, I SUPPOSE" so that the blame is NEVER directly on him.
You just repeated the previous paragraph here, with a little bit about how I was wrong on frozen. As I've said to Omni time and time again, if I was scum, WHY DID I HAMMER FROZEN? Forcing the no-lynch would have been a far more sensible scum-option. If I was scum, I would have just no-lynched frozen, and then bussed you.
MORE IS COMING!!!!!
I just don't wanna be ninja'd by a lynch post. Please take this case into consideration.[/QUOTE]
This is so true, from MarshEE, and it really sums up Nich's D1 play, which surprisingly, is probably his most active day, despite being absent from part of it.
Are you aware that Marshy basically wanted half the game dead? He didn't think I was scum, he thought I was perfect vig fodder. Dumb town is still town, and we need a scum lynch at this point of the game.
Now why does it seem that everyone Nich pushes is townie? It's pretty much agreed that Zensei is townie.
Nich plays the fool, he acts like "Boo, things aren't going my way, WELL WHATEVS VOTE: TOWN" in order to drive off his own suspicions. He's voting to get to his win condition, but he's doing it in a way that makes it seem like "Poor Nich, it's his only option".
Hey, the point of a vote is
a) To generate pressure, or
b) To get a lynch.
Obviously, neither was happening right there and then with Omni, so I switched targets. So, it made perfect sense for me-TOWN to switch my vote there.
Post 593[/URL]
more attacks on town members (now dead confirmed Tom) and people for being on the Kirby-Bot lynch, claiming his stance was SO against it, but as I proved above it really wasn't.
I already showed how your arguments are reaches, false assumptions, and occasionally true-but-unrelated pieces of evidence that you fail to fit into anything. Regardless, there's usually at least one scum on a mislynch. In this case, there's two: You and Frozenflame.
NoMetaUsedHereKirby said:
606 he's trying to prove how his performance in a different game (town) will somehow correlate to his performance in this game, establishing similar mindsets and leading people to believe that his intentions in both games are townie. Why would you have to PROVE this instead of simply DOING it? Seems defensive about his wishy washy positions.
Why on earth do you have meta in your name anyway? Because you obviously fail to take it into account with everything. Now look, if I usually do something as town, and I do it here, said thing is obviously not a scumtell. It's either a towntell or a nulltell (depending on whether or not I do said thing as scum. However, I haven't been scum in a long time.). QED.
MegaCaseIgnorer said:
I think you need a reality check. Seriously. Did you somehow miss like half my posts? Or forget when I attacked you back in D2? I have 114 posts, and most of them have content. Got anything left?
MissesThePoint said:
Hrmm, didn't he just say a few posts up that he likes Omni more and more? Why is he trying to turn somebody against somebody he has grown to see as town, and for what purpose does asking OS whether or not he thinks he's dumb or scum serve? Like he did near the end of Day 1, he's trying to substantially "see" his suspicions, instead of attempting to wriggle through the pads of rhetoric that people like OS, Omni, MarshEE, and Tom (to an extent) cover their arguments with. Meta-Kirby thinks that Nich isn't confident enough when there's so much blah blah blah to sort through.
Actions speak louder than words, my dear Nicholas.
Alright MK, since you obviously missed the point of my post, let me tell you it nice and slow. I was trying to figure out why Overswarm suddenly dropped his case on Omni and why he was going after me. In short:
I was trying to figure out Overswarm's alignment and intents. Which is why I asked the question.
Meta-Kirby Fails Counter: XX
Also read: His hyperactivity.
"You can't make (insert self-understood town-based action/decision) look (how it actually looked) Rockin!"
And lol @ how Grave Digger is somehow more substantiated because it's rare. Uhh, I've seen rarer, that are fake, and I've seen what lengths people will go to to find a role that's pretty **** clever. (read: Zen/Swiss/Swords in PikMafia)
More coming, but I wanna see posts first.
I swear to lord if somebody hammers I'll blow a headgasket in the middle of my argument. I've got like....a bit more of D2 and D3 to go through..
Um, no. You can't make my defense of a townie look scummy. That was the point. And you've given no reason why it's scummy.
My B:
Misread that last part about Nich's Claim. he's saying it's less likely to be real, not more likely to be real.
Still, what is this? Supporting your claim? Nah man, I've seen the lengths people go to in order to live, the rarity of your claim has NO bearing on that. You claim it's less likely to be real because it's more rare?
._. Wut.
Alright, one more time. It's less likely to be used as a scum safeclaim because it's rare. Gravedigger is NOT something scum would just claim out of the blue.
Finally... Why did you just totally ignore the stuff on yourself and go after me? You gave plenty of "reasons" to go after me, but not one reason why we shouldn't just lynch you and have chibo jail me like originally planned.
Anyway, does anyone want me to go back through and point out why Meta-kirby is scum, or should we just lynch him?
Not ready to lynch Tom yet, but I