Lucario Stage Discussion: Reviewing information

[Steam]

brinstar is gud, RC is gud.

pretend you're MK basically

 

[Kitamerby]

sadly, no.

i have zero experience concerning IC's in general.

It's annoying as hell and nearly impossible to weed them out of there. :V

On the flip side, almost no ice climbers even know about that, so it's probably a pretty safe CP anyways.

 

[phi1ny3]

Plus I'm sure there's a couple of holes with that kind of gimmick.

 

[Aurasmash14]

like ?

 

[Kitamerby]

waiting for it to flip again. :V

 

[Player-4]

Take the Climbers to Brinstar or Battlefield

 

[iDeo]

1. Get a stage with platforms.
2. If u sense them coming for a grab, pivot grab cause Lucario's is longer.
3. Use that AS!
4. Try not spam Fsmash to much.
5. Stay mobile in the air.

 

[Kitamerby]

1. Get a stage with platforms.
2. If u sense them coming for a grab, pivot grab cause Lucario's is longer.
3. Use that AS!
4. Try not spam Fsmash to much.
5. Stay mobile in the air.

Please don't follow these unless you have a death wish.

Trying to trade grabs with ICs is like trying to jab Ike's fsmash 20 frames into the move. Yeah, you might make it, but the reward is seriously not worth the risk.

Also camping ICs is useless. Ice blocks just plain eat through aura sphere om nom nom.

 

[iDeo]

Please don't follow these unless you have a death wish.

Trying to trade grabs with ICs is like trying to jab Ike's fsmash 20 frames into the move. Yeah, you might make it, but the reward is seriously not worth the risk.

Also camping ICs is useless. Ice blocks just plain eat through aura sphere om nom nom.

The pivot grab has helped me against the IC whenever i feel the grab coming and plus its safe. And the AS is used to keep them at bay. Don't really see why oppose these 2. Explain for me.

 

[Kitamerby]

Usually for pivot grab, it's just that the risk just far outweighs the reward.

As for AS camping, it usually just... doesn't work. I rarely land AS on them, even if they can't reliably PS it. Your best bet is trying to use it close range, but that's not foolproof, either...

 

[iDeo]

Usually for pivot grab, it's just that the risk just far outweighs the reward.

As for AS camping, it usually just... doesn't work. I rarely land AS on them, even if they can't reliably PS it. Your best bet is trying to use it close range, but that's not foolproof, either...

I'm just saying to utilize AS to keep them at bay not to use as a camping mechanism. Pivot grab is only an option if u happen to see them move in close and it's pretty big for Lucario. And like I said it's pretty safe from my exp. in this MU. Try it out urself of course don't make the PG obvious, do it every once in a while to keep ICs on their toes about it.

=)

 

[culexus・wau]

Whatever separates them yo.

I ussually just kept a charged AS in stock to punish Airdodges/Throw at nana when I separate them.

 

[Aurasmash14]

The pivot grab has helped me against the IC whenever i feel the grab coming and plus its safe. And the AS is used to keep them at bay. Don't really see why oppose these 2. Explain for me.

for one thing, its much MUCH easier to avoid the grab by retreating instead of pivot grabbing. another would be the obvious result if you mess up >.>

AS cant really keep them at bay if they can shoot projectiles that will cancel AS no matter your percent at a much faster rate.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'm just glad we have a fast throw, or grab could never be used lol.

 

[Aurasmash14]

we even bother using grab against the IC's? our grab range is just as short and we have no superchaingrab to offset it

 

[Kitamerby]

Our pummel is fast and fthrow separates them well.

Also you can't get grabbed while grabbing someone else.

 

[Aurasmash14]

ah.


still i'd much rather not risk it if i ever do play good ICs.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

Be careful when you do grab them, unless you throw them right away the other will most likely jab you and try to follow up with a grab.

 

[Aurasmash14]

Dat's why we have teh Fthrow

 

[Kitamerby]

Be careful when you do grab them, unless you throw them right away the other will most likely jab you and try to follow up with a grab.

Not necessarily.

Our pummel is remarkably fast and hits both of them, so pummeling a few times isn't actually a bad idea.

 

[phi1ny3]

actually a lot of ICs will use dsmash if the other is grabbed since it's about as fast as jab, but muuuuch more rewarding

 

[AlexoftheAura]

Not necessarily.

Our pummel is remarkably fast and hits both of them, so pummeling a few times isn't actually a bad idea.

I forgot that our pummel hit both :x

 

[Aurasmash14]

now were just talking about IC's in general.

stages?

 

[iDeo]

Ban FD always.

Any stage with platforms such as Norfair or Battlefield.

 

[Player-4]

now were just talking about IC's in general.

stages?

Lol I was about to say that. It's turned into a match-up discussion rather than a stage discussion.

Anyways like iDeo said, ban FD and use stages with plats. It is the best way to beat ICs stage wise.

 

[Aurasmash14]

Lol I was about to say that. It's turned into a match-up discussion rather than a stage discussion.

Anyways like iDeo said, ban FD and use stages with plats. It is the best way to beat ICs stage wise.

With IC's, Stages are half the battle.

i really dont know much about IC's in general, so you guys gotta help me here. Is their Uair any good at sharking?

 

[Player-4]

With IC's, Stages are half the battle.

i really dont know much about IC's in general, so you guys gotta help me here. Is their Uair any good at sharking?

Yeah it's good for sharking. They can usually combo Uair into Uair so take that for what you will. But in all honesty it's just about all they have against platform campers and it's easily read and punished.

Now you gotta look at it from my point being an MK main, so I really only feel safe on stages like BF. I know a guy that beat the ICs player, I always play, with DK on Brinstar. So stages play a big part, and from that I can tell you Brinstar is better than RC against ICs. You really just need to space, camp, and abuse platforms.

Idk if your Dair beats their Uair, but if it does that's a huge plus.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

I'm pretty sure their uair outranges our dair.

 

[Smoom77]

It really depends on when it's timed. I've had it go either way. Yet again, ban FD. Go to Frigate or BF. I know I don't like Frigate as an ICs.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'm pretty sure their uair outranges our dair.

Yes and no

the first hitbox will never outrange it

but the combined mobility advantage and the pressure/quasi-walling it can do is still really good against ICs. So if you use it preemptively it works pretty well, but then it becomes a guessing game sorta

I like BF, Brinstar, and sometimes Frigate against ICs (depends on the ICs).

 

[iRJi]

Yes and no

the first hitbox will never outrange it

but the combined mobility advantage and the pressure/quasi-walling it can do is still really good against ICs. So if you use it preemptively it works pretty well, but then it becomes a guessing game sorta

I like BF, Brinstar, and sometimes Frigate against ICs (depends on the ICs).

Actually, Our Dair does outrange their Uair, it is just by a very small amount.

 

[Aurasmash14]

but what about the Ice blocks occupying the dip in frigate?

 

[Player-4]

but what about the Ice blocks occupying the dip in frigate?

Just throw AS and Dair through the platform. You don't wanna be getting grabbed anyways, so why would you be approaching on the ground?

 

[Aurasmash14]

well, im just repeating what kita said. the slopes makes the ice blocks move back and fort on the dip sealing off an area of the stage. its not as if you'll be approaching on the ground. its more like not liking quite a large section blocked off.

 

[Player-4]

Yeah I get what you mean, but either way, it shouldn't be hindering Lucario.

 

[D. Disciple]

I'm pretty sure our dair outranges their uair.

Fixed .

 

[Aurasmash14]

bumpity bump. ill update this sometime around the weekend.

btw, would you guys be interested in a stage discussion as well? probably the main reason it didnt work the first time was because it was a case of how good it would be vs certain characters. while this still holds true, (brinstar is good for lucario until Wario comes in) it would hopefully spark some more discussion and life into this thread.

 

[iRJi]

I am going to bump this, because this is a very important thread. I am also going to stick this for now and see how it goes. This will be replacing the doubles discussion thread that was unstuck.


Also, I would like to request control over this thread please.

 

[phi1ny3]

I'm sure I can speak in behalf of Aurasmash if he's going inactive that you can take over.

 

[Player-4]

Lol this thread has passed ownership more than a cheap hooker on Friday