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Lovers n' Friends Mafia | Ovah

JeXs

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if people feel the need to antagonize me then dont blame me for being an asshole and getting frustrated.
 

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I guess people think I'm being a **** just to be a ****. Whatever then. I've got enough of this ****.
 

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I'm here now, about to read the game momentarily. Was getting my thoughts in on Kata's open before starting here.

Anybody want to direct my attention towards while I start to re-read?
 

JeXs

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Don't call me town unless you want to be called my scum mate.
 

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May or may not make a ******** post calling maven scum out of spite.
 

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Now I'm going to be called scum for being unhelpful. I can already see it.
 

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Also for being a ****. Forgot to add that in the last post.
 

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Jesus. ****ing. Christ.

I see and more so painfully feel for why BarDull replaced out of this game. The only people in here right now I can comfortable town read are Gorf and Rake. The rest of you...woooaaahh. chill tf down. I have no problem with Gorf at all, and can see why he picked up on BarDull. But...replacing in for me, and coming in knowing I'm town, I can see he was just utterly disinterested in this game, and as it progressed he saw it not worth his time.

First things first:

I do not find JeXs inherently scummy. More so I find the people gunning for him scummy because of how their doing it and the complete and total lack of reasoning. Ir completely was a headache to read this game, and I can assure you that I WILL NOT re-read the game up til my replacing in again. It's fruitless babble.

My interest in scum lies on Kantrip at the moment, I find his pushes convenient with the current targets of the game, and sense a high level of trying to buddy Orbo to the point of blue balls.

Gorf is the only person logically laying anything out, and while that could be deceiving, I'm cool with laying my Gorf eggs in the town basket. Because he's one of the few I could follow a sensible trail with, and realize that he sowing caution on his read towards BarDull meant he was actually examining the game.

Maven...dude, slow down. That's the advice I'll give you. You're feigning activity by constantly throwing around ideas at things that don't even slightly call for your expounded reasoning, and half of the time, it reads like you're making it up. I get your new, and I'm down to IC and help you out in any way possible. But first things first, your posts read completely arrogant. And to be fair, this being your first game, slow down, read the game, ask questions, and observe the flow of the game as well. You take root to your own ideas so vastly that, and push your agenda so hard that it makes me have a hard time to believe that you're town; outside of being new and knowing how noobTown plays. Show some contrition and allow the game to progress, and add to it. Don't feign the activity by continuously dredging up the same points and forcing them down people's throats. Your play has been wishy washy in regards to jumping to and fabricating anything you could possibly perceive as scummy. You very audibly put out your thoughts, which is good. But some things don't need to be reiterated tirelessly every. single. post. Your quarrel with JeXs reeks of TvT to the point it was maddening to read it. So drop it and allow new information to spread and surface. The rate at which you're trying to play this game is allowing a nice coverage for people to just step back and watch you and JeXs go at it. It's pointless now.

I like Rake, and for once, I see him as a voice of reason in this game...which scares me. Raketarded is as raketarded does, but here he's the voice of reason. He and Gorf rather.

Orbo I'm unsure about, but I definitely notice the connection to Kantrip being more one sides towards Kantrip pursuing it.

Sooo...

Vote: Kantrip
 

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If things rile up again, I'm withdrawing myself until information flourishes and something can get done.

Also, I don't particularly see BarDull's interest in Gorf as scum. The madness, and Gorf being the voice of reason might make me biased, but ****, I stand by the fact that I can not and will not be bothered to read that filth again...
 

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I guess this might not be how people play mafia, but I don't see why understanding of people can't play in.

Vote: Chaco
 

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I guess this might not be how people play mafia, but I don't see why understanding of people can't play in.

Vote: Chaco
What on earth are you talking about, and what warrants this vote? Substantiate it.
 

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I say that Jex forgetting his scum read and him breaking down when you were almost killed are guilty tells. And from real life experience I feel that Jex's answers are more like a person who is guilty but believes they did nothing to warrant getting caught then they do an innocent person upset at their accusation. That last one is personal and I shouldn't have tried to convince people of it, I don't know why I thought I could. But that's just knowing human nature, it's not "making **** up"

I'm voting you for the same reasons I was voting Bardull before. Plus your defense of Jex.
 

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(2) chaco: jexs, maven89
(1) potassium: chaco
(1) maven89: #hbc | rake.
(1) #hbc | gorf: potassium
(0) #hbc | rake.:
(0) orboknown:
(0) jexs:

Not voting: #HBC | Gorf, Orboknown
 

#HBC | Gorf

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hmm

chaco half your reads are fantastic. maven i havent felt like divulging in the kinks to your approach in the game (which i should have been, its unfair of me to treat you the same as those with experience in a mini) but chaco hit the nail on the head. slow down. reflect. use occam's razor to shave off the faulty logic in your stances. less can go a long way.

i also feel like your rake read is exactly how i didnt wanna say how i feel till somebody tried going at em. hes been the only player thats given me any hint of solidarity, and i feel like as scum that read without any particular backing would be a risky read to make.

...but imma have to be sold on jex town and kantrip scum. i dont have a solid read on either of em, but theyre both leans in the opposite direction of yours.
 

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I say that Jex forgetting his scum read and him breaking down when you were almost killed are guilty tells. And from real life experience I feel that Jex's answers are more like a person who is guilty but believes they did nothing to warrant getting caught then they do an innocent person upset at their accusation. That last one is personal and I shouldn't have tried to convince people of it, I don't know why I thought I could. But that's just knowing human nature, it's not "making **** up"

I'm voting you for the same reasons I was voting Bardull before. Plus your defense of Jex.
No, they are null tells of which you have fabricated into scum tells. Those do not actually exist as scum tells. To learn what is a scum tell, additionally a town tell, I implore you to read these:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Scumtell
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tarhalindur_Standard_Tells
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Interactive_Tells
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JEEP's_Common_Tells
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mastin's_Insane_Tells

The problem with your accusations are that they are gut based. Many players play with their gut, I being one of them, but without the logic to back their thoughts, rather the substantiation, they are nigh worthless. Furthermore, life experience does not apply to mafia as you think it does. Mafia is a game of deception for the scum; reading people as you would in person vastly differs from discerning deceit in a forum based environment. Continuing on, personal reasons...those should not exist. They will get you nowhere, and do no good for help furthering the town's goal. Human nature =/= forum mafia. Your argument towards JeXs is completely invalid, and shows no logical footing whatsoever. The only thing you could attack him for his being defensive to your accusations, but even that is null due to the type of attack, and how disorderly, and poor the attack was. To me, his anger reads as town, and due frustration. Even I, reading to get acquainted with this game, was perturbed by your poor points, lack of validity, and hyper active accusations spurning which ever way the wind blows. You're eager to play, I get that, but at what cost? You're feigning others activity. JeXs is a newer player as well, and one of which I've watched progress over the last games I've played with him. I'd consider him a good player now, and have watched him closely enough to understand my reads on him well: To me he reads as town. Why is that? He's consistent, his frustration shows as town, and his play is likewise to what I'd expect of a frustrated town JeXs. Would he be this willing to openly bark back as scum? Would scum want to command attention in a senseless prattle this early? These are questions you need to be asking yourself. You seem so sure of your reads, but I can assure you that you need to question your reads further. Learn to substantiate your points, and learn to seek out scummy behavior. What you're looking at right now is how people are posting, not the content at which they are posting. you even call Gorf out for being high and mighty... Does that make him scum? Certainly not. Thus, knowledge of human behavior is only a slight help in forum based mafia. In parlor mafia it'd be of better help, but I implore you to learn tells, and the fundamentals of the game. It'll help you out, and dually help out the other participants of the game. I don't mean to come off as speaking down to you, merely I want to help you become a better player, and become one which people like to see play. It's uncommon in newbie games for people to have vocally perturbed arguments for pages on end within the beginning of the game, and quite frankly I can see why BarDull replaced out posthaste.

Anyways, to cut this short: Your accusations on JeXs are blatantly just wrong, and hold no validity. There is no scum tell's pointed out, and that of which you do point out, simply does not hold merit. Read through the threads I linked, and reevaluate your reads. If you don't want to, that's fine, but it would help.
 

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hmm

chaco half your reads are fantastic. maven i havent felt like divulging in the kinks to your approach in the game (which i should have been, its unfair of me to treat you the same as those with experience in a mini) but chaco hit the nail on the head. slow down. reflect. use occam's razor to shave off the faulty logic in your stances. less can go a long way.

i also feel like your rake read is exactly how i didnt wanna say how i feel till somebody tried going at em. hes been the only player thats given me any hint of solidarity, and i feel like as scum that read without any particular backing would be a risky read to make.

...but imma have to be sold on jex town and kantrip scum. i dont have a solid read on either of em, but theyre both leans in the opposite direction of yours.
Take away Maven and JeXs interactions, what do you find solely scummy about JeXs? I just don't see it.

With Kantrip, I see opportunity spiking at town allowing Maven to gallivant around as he pleases, and throw his vote like a loose cannon. I see no real reason for where he's at with his JeXs push, and see it as opportunistic. As a whole with the JeXs push. His frustration, that being JeXs, reads townie to me. And I do not see a hyper defensive state coming from him, rather frustration at the perceived "stupidity" of the accusations.
 

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No reason for him to defend me as scum when he can just easily jump onto me for a free lynch.
 

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(1) chaco: maven89
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(1) #hbc | gorf: potassium
(0) #hbc | rake.:
(0) orboknown:
(0) jexs:

Not voting: #HBC | Gorf, Orboknown, Jexs
 

#HBC | Gorf

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@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake Shun Goku Satsu Rake

get @ the thread plz :)

@ Chaco Chaco ill tackle jex scum soon. but ill have you know that it mostly all came from around the first third - first half of this game, and feel the same empathy toward jexs getting mauled. its also interesting what you said about jex not wanting to attract that attention, but whats scummier: a player whos getting bombarded with (clearly) bad accusation trying to logically defend and substantiate his defense, or one who tries to simply brush off and deflect the accusations?

are you saying that maven is the one throwing his vote around or kantrip?
 

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I'll make larger post later, but I still feel Chaco/Jex is so obvious that it hurts. I was very enthusiastic about the lynch, and tried to push it, because I thought the game would be over and I wanted to prove I was right. I now realize this is what people meant by slowing down. I thought they just meant the rate of my posts, but now I realize you're talking about me pushing for their lynch so early, when we have several more days to make that decision.

Sorry, I don't have time to delve into this right now, I will later. But thank you for the advice
 

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@ Shun Goku Satsu Rake Shun Goku Satsu Rake

get @ the thread plz :)

@ Chaco Chaco ill tackle jex scum soon. but ill have you know that it mostly all came from around the first third - first half of this game, and feel the same empathy toward jexs getting mauled. its also interesting what you said about jex not wanting to attract that attention, but whats scummier: a player whos getting bombarded with (clearly) bad accusation trying to logically defend and substantiate his defense, or one who tries to simply brush off and deflect the accusations?

are you saying that maven is the one throwing his vote around or kantrip?
sup wigger
 

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Chaco defending jexs is overtly null at its base, jexs reasoning for calling him town is a little jaded considering that there was a lot of interest towards jexs / bardull and even as scum in this game scum can still benefit from defending townies, mroeso because scum wants to be seen a sth esaving light, just like with chaco and i in kata's game scum gains the power of looking good on a townie lynch and jexs name is def being thrown around enough to warrant putting your neck out on, however chaco's reasoning here is pretty damn good because although i tap-danced around jexs a bit to try and prod him i found him and mavens interactions extremely tvt because both were so wiling to argue incessantly about pointless ****. I like chaco for this reason as well because in such a small game tvt reads would be really dangerous to a scum player especially if that scum player then singled out kantrip who has flown under the radar for the better portion of the game

I also find myself agreeing with the knatrip read of chaco but moreso because I think he was opportunistically trying to feed maven's desire for chaco by arguing with and pressureing him, I also dont like that kantrip backhandedly waves off his interactions with jexs as "just for pressure" because to me kantrip seemed more invested than a pressure read. I almost wanna say that he antagonized jexs because when the posts were initially going down i felt like kantrip was trying moreso to push jexs around then actually progress a read on him.

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Vote: Potassium


This is the slot we should look at, I feel def odd about how kantrip went back and labelled his vote aspressure just to see if Jexs would back off him becaus that reads like kantrip waiting to pounce when jexs drops him.
 

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Im also not totallly sold on jexs as much because his reaction to being a heavy scum read and pressure isnt the same here like it was in Xatres mini, although they were two different instances there's a difference I feel to how jexs is actually sticking around to continue to argue with and claw at people whereas from my recollection of xatres game he kinda just shut down. I'd need to re-read that game again but my gut is telling me jexs is different and that's good enough for me.

Maven needs to take off the tnnel goggles or at least explain why he feels chaco is still scum especially after that larger post, why chaco scum singles out kantrip and why he sticks his neck out to call the interaction between maven and jexs town and moreso the other dangerous aspect of calling jexs twon when jexs name has been flying around ever since bardull died off.

I've also noticed that once again there's entirely too much consensus to lynch jexs which in a small game like this is even more telling from a scum suspect pov imo
 

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Too much consensus to lynch jexs is bull.

You won't, Chaco want, Gorf claims he would but I've yet to see any follow-up, Orbo seems to be working with him and I'd wager he thinks me vs jexs is TvT.

I don't know where you're getting "too much consensus" from me and maven + a side of weak gorf
 
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