Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Deleted member]

I have no solid reads. It's too early for me to tell.

But I make wagons. I'm telling you all to get on my Glyph wagon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why should we?

 

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (2) Chaco, Gheb_01
Soupamario: (2) Glyphy, Gorf
Chaco: (1) Red Ryu
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Rajam: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (1) Acrostic
DtJ Glyphmoney: (1) Auspher
Acrostic: (1) Rajam
Ryker: (1) Evil Eye

Not voting: (4) frozenflame751, Circus, Ryker, Mentosman8, Dooms

Prods for inactivity: None


Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

Rules change: Days will last 14 days until we reach Day 4 where it will be reduced to 10 days again. Reason: Large number of players, finals season, and holidays.

Due to miscommunication, FF's prod has been removed. I request that everyone Indicate all extended absences as V/LA in thread or PM to me.

Thank you and please enjoy your flight on Oceanic Flight 815 stay on the Island.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

In...... too..... many....... games.........

Got my **** now, but I'm behind 6 pages and just got home. Plus, I'm working on a secret evil plan.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I asked you something like this and you didn't respond. why red ruy over dooms? i assumed you would have joined kev because you thought his vote was serious -> i had an inclination that maybe you agreed with his points and so would have joined him. am i wrong here?... do you agree with the reasons behind kev's serious vote?

Well I do have Dooms as my #2 pick [I haven't read any post after this one yet] so yeah if you do the math you can kinda tell that I see where Kevin is coming from. But Ryu is scummier in my book and I can give you the things you need about that in due time.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't like that after saying the second paragraph/sentence, he still didn't share his read about Red Ryu/Me, but just instead pointed an accusation towards Soup instead.

Accusation is pretty exaggerated a word for it. I hadn't perceived his in a negative manner, it was simply a matter of pointing out the flaw in his logic. Considering he even admitted it himself your point is not only wrong but even if it weren't wrong it would be irrelevant by now anyway.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But you're right Gheb, i don't know the how and why, and that's why i felt it was shallow, but you seem to be sticking to your words even though i don't really understand how you havw them paired (i see Joey's scummniness though) so without further adue, explain them?

And yeah why is Ryu scum i guess

Yeah, I guess I gotta put some flesh on the bones of my Ryu read in my next post. But still, I don't see why this pairing confuses you so much in particular. Considering you understand scumJoey already and nothing contradicts a Ryu scumpartner for Joey the only question that's left is how I concluded scumRyu, which I will go into detail now. As long as nothing contradics my #1 and my #2 scumreads to be possibly scum together I'm going to assume that they are until I see something that convinced me otherwise.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote: Red Ryu

Soup, you gonna be a grammar ***** this whole game?

White Ranger, more like White grammar.

Joey, should we vote soup for being a grammar nazi?

Oh wait I'm not modding this but playing this, time to play.

This whole exchange with the grammar stuff just reeks. Call it a gut but it feels really staged. And I mean it feels really staged. After I voiced my scumreads he made a post that confirmed my initial thoughts:

Because I am interested in your perception of EE plus other BRoomers like KevimM, Circus, and Frozenflame. My guess you have played BRoom mafia with them, so I am interested in your opinions of all of them and which ones worry you of being scum.

Mind giving this?

[...]

Next question.

Did you vote here because I asked you and you agreed with why I wanted a vote. Or did you have another reason to do this?

Was it worth bandwagoning with me to get Soup going?

[...]

I understand it, I think.

Wanna know what it means?

[...]

I believe he has more past experience than most here and was present to answer the question.

[...]

A lot of that is really just fluffed up and filler. It's interesting to note that all of these questions and points have the clear intention to maintain conversation which leads to the conclusion that Ryu is trying to get somewhere. But considering how trivial, superficial or superfluous almost all of these points are [and that he didn't directly get himself involved in other relevant issues] I have a hard time believing that he's trying to lead us anywhere other than to himself gaining pro-town credit without putting much on the line. A lot of what he's saying here leads to further discussion that has disappointingly little chance to go beyond any other RVS stuff but looks good for him to throw out anyway because most of it is logically correct [which people often tend to mistake for a town-tell].

My interpretation of his play is that he's trying to take an overly controlling position already as he tries to cover a lot and give himself the chance to lead it into the direction he himself desires but as far as I can see it doesn't actually give us anything helpful.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, FoS EE for his 167. Alleging that I'm going after Ryu based on his status as a player is lame coming from somebody who's going after Acrostic - somebody who at least has made honest attempts to hunt scum and whose actions can almost completely be justified with a combo of idiosyncrasy and inexperience. You also have no issues with KevinM pushing Dooms without actually going into detail either.

 

[Deleted member]

Why should we?

He doesn't seem to have an issue with my vote on him. I want to see how he reacts with several.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'd like to think we're beyond the point where need to go the "vote somebody to see what happens"-route.

 

[Evil Eye]

Also, FoS EE for his 167. Alleging that I'm going after Ryu based on his status as a player is lame coming from somebody who's going after Acrostic - somebody who at least has made honest attempts to hunt scum and whose actions can almost completely be justified with a combo of idiosyncrasy and inexperience. You also have no issues with KevinM pushing Dooms without actually going into detail either.

1) I'm making insinuations, not allegations. I'm asking you to substantiate your drive, because you had not. Therefore, all that is visible is you going after a weak player. Maybe I could join your wagon if I saw your point of view, hm? You know pretty damn well I don't bite on a wagon without either my own reasons or substantiations.

2) I'm "going after" Acrostic? I pressed on him a bit to see how he'd react and twist after a callout on some bad play. Apparently, not well.

However, I've made it very clear that I'm in the process of trying to figure him out, and for that matter, been very upfront about the fact that I'm fencey on the matter at present. Not comparable at all. And, yes, any actions can be explained away in some manner or another in mafia, and the specific reasons you've cited to explain away Acrostic's actions are some of the reasons I'm on the fence about him in the first place.

wtf is this ****

3) First of all, it's a nulltell for Kevmo to almost literally never offer his reasoning for going after someone, and equally null for him to start the game by going after someone that has posted like twice and semi-jokingly suggest that they are obvscum and that their lynch will yield immediate and good things for town. Nothing has stepped out of line for Kevmo here.

Secondly, it crushes my ****ing soul that I have to say this in response to a Gheb post, but Are you LITERALLY ****ing ********

I let you push your guy for a while before calling on you for substantiation. You were offered the exact same courtesy as Kevmo. The difference is that your play is more liquid, and unlike Kevmo I don't need to play the long game to read you so long as I dog you to explain your actions.

what the **** is this **** seriously

Could that be a bigger or scummier misrepresentation of everything I have done.

 

[Evil Eye]

And all this was a response to me asking for some substantiation.

**** this is grimy

 

[Evil Eye]

okay cool so there is a Ryu case. Lemme look it over.

 

[Evil Eye]

Read it. Let's see what Ryu has to say about it, I guess.

also, *sits down on Mafia Critic armchair*

Auspher, the whole "let's wagon things to see what happens" thing isn't how mafia is played. It's how mafia starts. There's a difference. Townie objective is to get as many people talking about various issues as possible, and then make the issues increasingly pointed so you can gauge their intentions when you reread. See what they were trying to make happen.

If it's just a bunch of people with **** in their pants and **** in their brains "seeing what happens", nothing is detected or derived or proven. It's just that. A bunch of **** happening. Keep piling votes on Glyph and his response will be "okay", and he'll keep doing things exactly as he was before.

We're well past the point where you need to start actually diving into the real meat of things that has taken place and try to FIND SCUM, not just "do things". So stop doing things for the sake of doing things, and do things because you're trying to find scum.

This is the only one of these you get, because I know you're a power-newbie. Really wish you played a newbie game before joining this one.

*exits chair*

 

[Evil Eye]

@Acro: Glorious redemption time. Gimme your scumpick when you get back (which is totally gonna be before I finish studying in a few hours, am I right?) and rock solid evidence. Make it impossible for me to NOT follow you on that *****

Also, what are your current reads on mentos, Gorf, and Rajam?

 

[Dooms]

Nah, it was aimed at you.

I meant the statement that I typed.

 

[Evil Eye]

Hi Joey. Who's scum? Why are they scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This whole exchange with the grammar stuff just reeks. Call it a gut but it feels really staged. And I mean it feels really staged. After I voiced my scumreads he made a post that confirmed my initial thoughts:

A gut read?

Get that crap out of here.

A lot of that is really just fluffed up and filler. It's interesting to note that all of these questions and points have the clear intention to maintain conversation which leads to the conclusion that Ryu is trying to get somewhere. But considering how trivial, superficial or superfluous almost all of these points are [and that he didn't directly get himself involved in other relevant issues] I have a hard time believing that he's trying to lead us anywhere other than to himself gaining pro-town credit without putting much on the line. A lot of what he's saying here leads to further discussion that has disappointingly little chance to go beyond any other RVS stuff but looks good for him to throw out anyway because most of it is logically correct [which people often tend to mistake for a town-tell].

The first question I asked was to gain Glyph's idea of the BRoomer players. I want to see his personal opinion of them so I can see how I think he might interact with them as scum or town.

Second was to obtain whether Joey was bandwagoning in RVS to play it safe and see how he was going to react to me asking him about it. The Third was offering clarification to Evil Eye. Though you could argue worthless to wait for the person in question to answer I suppose. The Fourth was to answer a question directed at me for why I picked EE over anyone else. The Fifth, that you left out, was to ask you what scum tells you got.

I'm trying to draw connections, the only major thing I haven't talked about much is Acro vs Kevin. Otherwise I've asked about a lot of what is going on. If my full undivided attention isn't on that or something else, aka trying to figure out Auspher and Joey, then,

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So the fluff jokes, like at Chaco for the most part. A lot of what was in the quote that you left out was from RVS posts. Chaco and EE wanted to start a wagon on me off the sole fact I'm here, I got Chaco's attention off a post that was pure RVS and to get his initial attention. Why, cause I wanted to call him out. Was it a joke, yeah. Everything else I did, aka asking Joey if he wanted to lynch Soup for being a grammar nazi, had a purpose.

My interpretation of his play is that he's trying to take an overly controlling position already as he tries to cover a lot and give himself the chance to lead it into the direction he himself desires but as far as I can see it doesn't actually give us anything helpful.

It's giving me connections and reads on players of need, or rather ones I want to get to see where their head is at. Getting a solid read on Joey and Auspher is just as important as one on EE, Acro and etc.

Oldly enough, if you this head on at me? Why are you ok With Glyph who seems to be mostly a lot more fluff, or even Acro?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

He doesn't seem to have an issue with my vote on him. I want to see how he reacts with several.

This isn't a good method to get a read or see how he reacts, you need pressure and substance to make it work.

Point out something bad he has done that is scummy in your eyes. If not it's not worth pursuing.

So little steps, look at Glyph's posts is there something you see from them that catches your eyes as being a scum tell? If not something you see that makes him town?

 

[Deleted member]

Evil Eye, this isn't my first mafia game. I'm just bad at it.

RR, I'll get back to you when I'm not mobile.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'm aware of that, Auspher, but my points still stand.

Now that you've gotten a response, Gheb, I want to know where the distinction lies between this:

My interpretation of his play is that he's trying to take an overly controlling position already as he tries to cover a lot and give himself the chance to lead it into the direction he himself desires but as far as I can see it doesn't actually give us anything helpful.

and bog-standard RR-town, or at best RR-null. He always covers a lot of topics, he always tries to vaguely move things in the direction desires, and he's always not particularly helpful. The strongest point you have here in terms of inherent scumminess is that he's trying to take an overly controlling position, which I feel is also the least substantiated point you've made.

@Jerkus: Make your first real post, and make something happen with it.

 

[Evil Eye]

Also, Gheb, what is your read on mentos?


Kat, what are your reads on Gheb and mentos?

 

[Chaco]

I'm okay with RR for now actually, until he starts frustrating me or I actually have something to work with on him. He's playing pretty consistent.

Rajam, what's up buddy?

 

[Evil Eye]

bad form, kattie -- I saw you lurkin. Shakin dat ***

 

[Chaco]

Hey Glyph, out of Joey, Acrostic, or Auspher who would you ****can first, and why?

 

[Rajam]

about kev vs jo, i don't know. joey always struck me as a diva-ish poster, someone who would backhand posters irl. not getting scum vibes from his defensiveness.

Why are you pointing out this? Shouldn't you leave pressure follow its course instead of insta-saying "nah Dooms isn't scum"?

Auspher what's your take on this?

If the tone in my post struck you as dire, then that was not my intention. I recall that Higurashi had a ten day deadline and a much smaller player cast, therefore I was inclined to bypass RVS in terms of attempting to initiate reads as seventeen players is the most I have dealt with in a game thus far. I also am not really an avid fan of the RVS stage.



I truly have no idea where you are getting this imagery from. Do you imagine me as this Nascar Driver with some speed fetish that has transferred into playing this game of mafia at break neck speeds. Maybe next time you'll think I'm some mad scientist deep in the crusts of the Earth looking for some ridiculous theorem to answer the problems of the universe. Actually, I do find your misinterpretations to be amusing, albeit horribly exaggerated.

Mentos, do you know those newbie players that try to pressure vote another player and inform the other player that their vote is a pressure vote? It's pretty hilarious and stupid and if you had any other intent other than feeling ****-blockery please tell me because I'm dreadfully interested in knowing if you asked this out of daftness or suspicion.

Ridiculing mentos here, and then being prepotent

Scummy reaction, indeed

Chaco, Circus, do you concord?

 

[KevinM]

A restriction?

Kevin, what do you think of EE's case on Acro?

EE's case on Acro is long.

There ez pz reads.

I also like EE currently.

Dislike Gheb.

EE, I was kinda joking on the Joey thing but I'd be fine with his lynch

 

[Chaco]

Why are you pointing out this? Shouldn't you leave pressure follow its course instead of insta-saying "nah Dooms isn't scum"?

Auspher what's your take on this?



Ridiculing mentos here, and then being prepotent

Scummy reaction, indeed

Chaco, Circus, do you concord?

Already touched on this.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Joey. He's fresh off of a very shaky game in the DR, don't really see him stepping up in a situation like this. Don't know anything about Ausipher other than stuff I've heard like once, and Acrostic I honestly believe to be a good player.

Really I don't know what 'who would you ****can first' even means, but I'm assuming its like, lynch.

 

[Evil Eye]

If you believe him to be a good player, G Life, what's your take on Acro's current play?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Iunno, I haven't read. Probably should do that.

 

[Kataefi]

bad form, kattie -- I saw you lurkin. Shakin dat ***

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well i shay! it's work =( i'm still here now. fyi: 7am commute and half 6/7/8 depending on overtime. similar to swisss. can't really make posts.will answer and want answers when i get to home of course.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

RR I was in one mafia game in the BRoom where I replaced out like a tiny baby girl after like one Day. I don't know anything on them outside of rep and the few games I've had with them here.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Acrostic's post that Rajam is quoting just sounds like Acrostic from UB.

 

[Evil Eye]

Read it in context, not isolation, G Lyfe.

 

[Evil Eye]

this ****ing game, man

I just don't know

 

[Chaco]

Joey. He's fresh off of a very shaky game in the DR, don't really see him stepping up in a situation like this. Don't know anything about Ausipher other than stuff I've heard like once, and Acrostic I honestly believe to be a good player.

Really I don't know what 'who would you ****can first' even means, but I'm assuming its like, lynch.

Shitcan as in get rid of, lynch, however you see fit.

And alright, do you believe Joey has the capacity to ride and be a better player?
And as far as acrostic goes, I'll let you answer EE. Since he directed attention there.
Now to Auspher, after you've read, explain to me your feel of Auspher thus far toDay.

 

[Evil Eye]

well here's hoping frozenflame's inevitable modkill nets us a bad guy

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Evil Eye, this isn't my first mafia game. I'm just bad at it.

Bleck .