Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[~ Gheb ~]

Seriously, this man goes on the vig list. ****ing high on the vig list.

I'd love to take that shot, you know

 

[Asdioh]

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Ryker, read.

Leaving Gheb alive CAN have protown benefits, and anybody who absolutely refuses to consider that possibility is scummy in my eyes.

You and EE have both been VEHEMENTLY against leaving an essentially confirmed non-mafia killing role alive. You don't even consider the option. Do you see how this can look scummy to me? It seems as if you're afraid of the potential of mafia being nightkilled. On the other hand, I am trying to weigh the pros and cons, and lol you're saying that I'm "THREATENING" people.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm not arguing that mafia would no doubt rather block the doc or cop, but you've effectively made yourself a claimed vig from the mafia standpoint. That's not my problem with the situation though. The way I see it, if we leave you alive we have another bridge to cross, and that's whether or not we direct your kill.

If we outline specifically who you're shooting, mafia can stop it without any trouble if they have any of the common mafia PRs should they decide they don't want it going through. This effectively guarantees you hitting town.

If we leave the decision open to you, we can't be sure you're not operating under a wincon we haven't thought of, and you can effectively target anyone you want and blame the mistake on redirection or whatever.

I'm with Ryker on this one, there's just too much that could go wrong with it to leave you alive, especially when you're not a part of the town faction to begin with.

I'm glad to see Glyph is showing his thought process about this matter without accusations and AtE flying everywhere.

 

[Asdioh]

Rajam, your avatar looks like a taco out of the corner of my eye every single time I see it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You continue to threaten right there. You say I'm afraid of the potential of mafia being night killed when I have explicitly explained why it's a bad plan. Scum could easily have the tools to beat us over the head with our "pocket SK" and that's taking for granted that the indy in question is truthful about his intent.

Asdioh, what are you going to do when, for example, EE and I show up dead tomorrow morning. I flip as ??? and EE flips VT. You ask Gheb who he targeted and he says Rajam.

 

[Tandora]

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

Vote count:
Gheb: (6) Gorf, Asdioh, Ryker, Glyph, Dooms, Kataefi
Frozenflame: (1) Rajam


Not voting: (7) frozenflame751, Auspher, J, Gheb_01, Chaco, Soupamario, Evil Eye

Deadline January 11th, 11:59 PM EST.

Prods for inactivity:
Glyph - 2
KevinM - 1
Soupamario - 2
Kataefi - 1
Frozenflame - 1
Auspher - 1
Evil Eye - 1

I will start hunting for a replacement for Soup. If I cannot not find one, he will be modkilled.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Then they'll lynch me, Ryker.

 

[Asdioh]

If I haven't made it clear, I intend to lynch Gheb toMorrow at the latest, regardless of anything else. Lynching him toDay is fine, but it's true that we lose a potential "vig" ability or scum has more free reign to night action whoever they please.

Side note, delaying the lynch toDay is probably not going to be very fruitful, if we've already agreed we're lynching the SK. People won't be able to pressure properly if we already know who we're lynching. So if we are lynching Gheb (which I obviously don't care about, as my vote is on him dammit) then I have no qualms with doing it sooner rather than later.

 

[Asdioh]

Gheb, I at least want to see some reads from you? I don't think you've made it clear (at least during D2) who you would prefer to lynch, and who you would target at night.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I have no idea anymore tbh. But I can come up with something in due time ... then again I don't see a lot of people paying attention to my reads anyway.

 

[Evil Eye]

jesus asdioh. Like. Wow. Wow.

You and EE have both been VEHEMENTLY against leaving an essentially confirmed non-mafia killing role alive.

No.

A completely confirmed ANTITOWN killing role.

Y'know the kind that CAN'T WIN UNLESS WE LOSE.

The kind with NO INCENTIVE TO LISTEN TO US. AT ALL.

GET IT?

It seems as if you're afraid of the potential of mafia being nightkilled.

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So did you literally NOT read the part where over like an entire page Ryker and Glyph went through all the agonizing possibilities where mafia can prevent that from happening, causing Gheb to become antitown once again, even if he listens to us, WHICH WE HAVE NO REASON TO ASSUME HE WOULD DO.

 

[Evil Eye]

And you're absolutely threatening people. You shun a reasonable option from a protown POV with the blanket warning that someone with such an opinion is going to become scummy in your eyes. This conveniently allows you to put people on your scumlist for crap reasons and blanket statements instead of actual logic, behavior, or evidence. Which bad guys need. Because they want mislynches, and mislynches come about from improper scumhunting by town.

I mean. I'm pretty sure you're town... I think? But this is some of the worst spin doctoring I've seen since the last time I went up against scum KevinM.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If I haven't made it clear, I intend to lynch Gheb toMorrow at the latest, regardless of anything else. Lynching him toDay is fine, but it's true that we lose a potential "vig" ability or scum has more free reign to night action whoever they please.

Side note, delaying the lynch toDay is probably not going to be very fruitful, if we've already agreed we're lynching the SK. People won't be able to pressure properly if we already know who we're lynching. So if we are lynching Gheb (which I obviously don't care about, as my vote is on him dammit) then I have no qualms with doing it sooner rather than later.

I still would like to see an answer to my scenario.

 

[Evil Eye]

If I haven't made it clear, I intend to lynch Gheb toMorrow at the latest, regardless of anything else. Lynching him toDay is fine, but it's true that we lose a potential "vig" ability or scum has more free reign to night action whoever they please.

Side note, delaying the lynch toDay is probably not going to be very fruitful, if we've already agreed we're lynching the SK. People won't be able to pressure properly if we already know who we're lynching. So if we are lynching Gheb (which I obviously don't care about, as my vote is on him dammit) then I have no qualms with doing it sooner rather than later.

This is the singular reasonable post you've made on the subject. Notice the lack of attaching ill intent to myself and others via blanket statement and then stating it like a fact. Having Gheb around to soak up night actions as a buffer is something I hadn't considered. This is indeed a good thing. But the risks vastly outweigh the advantages, and this has been stated over and over again. RB is the best case scenario for scum PR meddling. Gheb soaks it up, yes, but we also invariably end up with information that will introduce vast volumes of unhelpful WIFOM. Information coming from (yes I'm going to damn well say it again) a confirmed bad guy, meaning we have to take everything he says at face value. Which is stupid. And don't get me started about bus drivers. Or witches.

The best case scenario all told is that we let a bad guy live and take him at his damn word that he's not lying about the conditions of his role, his wincon, and he's not going to go off the reservation with our orders, and he's not going to try to turn the situation to his advantage by ****ing with us later on, which he absolutely will do because he's a bad guy and that's the only way he can win.

If one of Acid Dough and frozen is scum it's frozen for sure.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Frozen can be scum. That's fine.

 

[Evil Eye]

Do you agree he's more likely scum of the two?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Watch Laurel and Hardy taking over.

 

[Evil Eye]

Get it guys I'm stupid for not trusting the confirmed bad guy hyukhyukhyuk

You will be adequately mourned, chum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm not arguing that mafia would no doubt rather block the doc or cop, but you've effectively made yourself a claimed vig from the mafia standpoint. That's not my problem with the situation though. The way I see it, if we leave you alive we have another bridge to cross, and that's whether or not we direct your kill.

If we outline specifically who you're shooting, mafia can stop it without any trouble if they have any of the common mafia PRs should they decide they don't want it going through. This effectively guarantees you hitting town.

If we leave the decision open to you, we can't be sure you're not operating under a wincon we haven't thought of, and you can effectively target anyone you want and blame the mistake on redirection or whatever.

I'm with Ryker on this one, there's just too much that could go wrong with it to leave you alive, especially when you're not a part of the town faction to begin with.

Refute this and I will unvote you Gheb

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Do you agree he's more likely scum of the two?

Lost my reply in the quickreply box. Cried a thousand tears.

tl;dr

Asdioh has acted scummier in this episode than FF has, but he's also posted more and I expect less from him than I do from FF. I would probably pick FF out of the two if I could shoot one now because I could kill him and read Asdioh for free.

However, if I had to choose the lynch tomorrow, it wouldn't be within those two. It would depend heavily on the flips. I'd probably even get something off a lack of flips.

 

[Evil Eye]

Asdioh's logic is kind of scummy, but yeah, it just feels. Sincerely naive and shortsighted. I get what he's going for, and I can see the POV that would cause these stances and observations, although I think it's poor play and poorer reading of the situation. The fact that he has like no one in his corner helps give it a sincere vibe as well, it feels more like he is just trying to table the discussion than work it as an angle. Dig?

The question mark for me, though, is why townsdioh, after getting scumvibes from EE, asks the confirmed freaking bad guy for his read on EE, as though that's going to provide a meaningful insight or statement to analyze.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Asking Gheb for reads in general is an exercise in WIFOM.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Then lets kill him now and stop wasting our time

 

[Evil Eye]

So, Rajam, hi.

Why aren't you commenting on the ongoing discussion and debate?

For a guy that wants to go against the tide and push frozenflame, you're doing a pretty limp job of it. Also, why were you reading old games last week? Humor me with agonizing detail. Games, players, what you wanted to gain.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I think Rajams, like, a hippopotamus. A south american hippopotamus.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Asdioh your logic is, quite honestly, fried.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If you were a cop and saw a dude get murdered but he said "bro if you dont rat me out ill be cool doing things for you" do you let him go? No because youre not immensly ********.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Tandora you should prod people

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ya know, that made much more sense before i hit ctrl+s, but you get the jist.

 

[Asdioh]

If you were a cop and saw a dude get murdered but he said "bro if you dont rat me out ill be cool doing things for you" do you let him go? No because youre not immensly ********.

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Whatever, lynch Gheb. I'll hammer if you guys want :3

 

[Evil Eye]

Who was it that questioned Gorf's early claim again?

Because like. When you're the Agent and you hit the role you are literally designed to catch on N1, and that role is an antitown killer, and that guy was playing weird on D1 causing you to investigate him, why the **** do you NOT claim?

I'm surprised I didn't comment on this before but I guess it's just so dumb that it teflonned off the side of my head and I forgot about it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf why did you claim so quickly? Is Auspher still scum to you? Any other scum picks?

Cuz im like town. Maybe. Yes.

 

[Evil Eye]

Oh it was that guy. Well, there's the shock of the ****in' century.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Oh man dat ninja.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

EE put your vote back and Asdioh wrap this **** up

 

[Evil Eye]

Acid Dough can't hammer broseph

 

[Evil Eye]

Then again I wouldn't mind doing it again because why not.

I kinda want to let the day slide on just because I have an exam soon and don't want D3 aka **** Gets Real Time to be overshadowed by studying but ehhhhhh.

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Vote: Gheb

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Acid Dough can't hammer broseph

Thaaaaaaaaaaat's why he's town. He replaced Acrostic. Now it all makes sense.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Vote for me, Asdioh.

 

[Asdioh]

unvote
Vote: Ryker

So I can 'hammer' Gheb?