Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nope. Not letting claimed scummies live.

We have no guarantee his win con is what we imagine it to be. Even if he never deviates from what we want (which he would have to), assuming the most basic role on a scum team (role blocker), Gheb will never hit anything but town and a **** ton of WIFOM.

**** Frozen's ultimatum, someone hammer before people decide to be ****ing ********. Frozen for scum if Gheb flips some indy that could have a mate.

If anyone has something they need from me before the end of this phase, ask quick. I'm gonna be at my grandmother's house until the end of the week.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That doesn't make a lot of sense. Even if the mafia had the option to interefere with my night kill they'd still waste an NA against a 3rd party player, which is not in their best interest [and assuming that 4 mafiosi is the absolute maximum each of their night actions has to be chosen very carefully to make best use of]. If they choose to roleblock me then they run the risk of having their kill choice docced and they also expose themselves to the cop. It's a really difficult situation for the mafia because the game wasn't designed for them to deal with such an amount of "townie" night actions.

Only problem with this is scum doesn't know who any other PR is. Why take chances with roleblocking what could be a VT when you have someone who could potentially kill one of your own members?

 

[Asdioh]

Leaving Gheb alive CAN have protown benefits, and anybody who absolutely refuses to consider that possibility is scummy in my eyes.

Will none of you dare to give a solid read on EE? What's the problem?

 

[#HBC | J]

EE's a solid town read for me Asdioh.

Do you have something against EE or something? =P

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The thing is, they're NOT going to block Gheb unless he's slated to hit one of their own OR they want the WIFOM to be there.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Leaving Gheb alive CAN have protown benefits, and anybody who absolutely refuses to consider that possibility is scummy in my eyes.

Will none of you dare to give a solid read on EE? What's the problem?

Town.

Yes, it can. But it relies on WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many question marks.

1.) He has to have a traditional SK win con.
2.) He has to do what we want him to do every night.
3.) The scum team has to not contain a role that can abuse him.

Roleblocker can abuse him, but if a scum EVER flips as a bus driver, Asdioh can die.

 

[#HBC | J]

.....but Asdioh is cleared? How does a bus driver influence him being scum?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He's cleared?

He and FF are pushing Gheb to be left alone. If scum has a bus driver, they essentially gain a second night kill from this broadcasted SK kill.

 

[Asdioh]

Hm. When I think of leaving Gheb alive, I'm thinking of one Day phase maximum. So it doesn't really matter to me.

I guess I'm the only one that was getting major scumvibes from EE's recent play. Whatever, maybe if I ever actually read the game I'll agree with your townreads.

I would be 100% ok with Gheb killing me toNight so that I don't become a hindrance late game actually :D

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Look at how both of them are treating this.

FF and Asdioh have both been THREATENING people who go against the bull**** of a claimed indy being allowed to live. If they're both town, then they're ********. It stinks of a scum team making a play if you ask me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Going to have to request replacement, sorry tanny.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Only problem with this is scum doesn't know who any other PR is. Why take chances with roleblocking what could be a VT when you have someone who could potentially kill one of your own members?

That would still waste a NA on a 3rd party player, leaving them open to cop investigation and making sure the Doc can do his thing. Either case is sub-optimal for mafia.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

FF and Asdioh have both been THREATENING people who go against the bull**** of a claimed indy being allowed to live. If they're both town, then they're ********. It stinks of a scum team making a play if you ask me.

That's one of the most idiotic posts I've read in a while and the 1st sentence is an absolute lie.

 

[Evil Eye]

Not replying to any of Gheb's replies to me, because every one of them is stupid.

Haven't read the recent 40ppp page yet. Just had to say that.

 

[Evil Eye]

I guess I'm the only one that was getting major scumvibes from EE's recent play. Whatever, maybe if I ever actually read the game I'll agree with your townreads.

Wow is this the kind of **** that has become of one of the few DGames newbies I respected?

jesus ****ing christ I hate this game

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

That's one of the most idiotic posts I've read in a while and the 1st sentence is an absolute lie.

Quickhammer and you're ****ing scum btw. Or delusional and awful town.

But seriously, don't ****ing hammer Gheb.

Leaving Gheb alive CAN have protown benefits, and anybody who absolutely refuses to consider that possibility is scummy in my eyes.

Will none of you dare to give a solid read on EE? What's the problem?

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

 

[Evil Eye]

FF and Asdioh have both been THREATENING people who go against the bull**** of a claimed indy being allowed to live. If they're both town, then they're ********. It stinks of a scum team making a play if you ask me.

Wait, what? Please tell me you don't mean both of them, because it's pretty ****ing early for a balls out do or die gambit from a scumteam with jack **** for town cred.

 

[Evil Eye]

I mean, I agree with you about BD and RB ****. That's one of the infinite reasons letting Gheb live is literally ********. But explain to me how the entire/most of the scumteam vehemently trying to make that happen, which town'd surely catch onto at some point before they've won, makes sense.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No, I mean either.

 

[Evil Eye]

Either/or is a possibility I guess.

Trying to think of a Lost baddie that doesn't kill. Drawing a blank atm

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

If I'm scum. I'm going to have one guy pushing to let him live and having everyone else cool their jets.

Who are Lost baddies? I've only seen a few episodes and the only thing I'm aware of is the thing that killed the pilot.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm not arguing that mafia would no doubt rather block the doc or cop, but you've effectively made yourself a claimed vig from the mafia standpoint. That's not my problem with the situation though. The way I see it, if we leave you alive we have another bridge to cross, and that's whether or not we direct your kill.

If we outline specifically who you're shooting, mafia can stop it without any trouble if they have any of the common mafia PRs should they decide they don't want it going through. This effectively guarantees you hitting town.

If we leave the decision open to you, we can't be sure you're not operating under a wincon we haven't thought of, and you can effectively target anyone you want and blame the mistake on redirection or whatever.

I'm with Ryker on this one, there's just too much that could go wrong with it to leave you alive, especially when you're not a part of the town faction to begin with.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That was at Gheb obviously

 

[Evil Eye]

I wouldn't bother arguing with Gheb, GLife. It's pretty clear he's going to keep arguing with a selective, rosy-tinted logic to try to force flaws that aren't there into every of the literal million reasons he shouldn't live. I do give him credit, since he's surely just playing to the one-percenter chance that something can happen to force out a win later on. That's dedication. That's good play.

But luckily, we don't have a majority of people stupid enough to fall for it, so I don't see any point in humoring him anymore.

 

[Evil Eye]

@Ryker: There are a few baddie groups in the Lostverse. I've actually considered the possibility of multiple mafia factions. Mafia surely has safeclaims considering there were like 80some-odd castaway survivors, so not much harm speculating. The Others are the big one and what I think we're dealing with. Basically they're a group of weird people who live on the island, worshiping weird deity-like figures and doing work in their name. One of the big things, though, is that they love to abduct people. I cocked more than one eyebrow when I saw today's "flips", as you can imagine.

So that's the big one I'm worried about. It's tricky, though. People change "sides" often on Lost based on what suited their needs at the time. There's one other bad guy that's pretty clear cut, though, who is known as Smokey/MIB. Basically, the Smoke Monster, who also takes on several human forms and can impersonate the dead and ****.

 

[Dooms]

Gheb with that impossible to win role.

At least you tried lol.

Not seeing Asdioh scum from his play. Being too lazy to read thread =/= scum, and the "threat" doesn't seem too serious to me, since people should always consider that option anyways if they're townie. Still don't see scum priest, either.

Not sure about FF though obv lol.

Fine with Gheb lynch going through whenever.

 

[Dooms]

Asdioh should hammer Gheb imo :3c.

 

[Dooms]

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

Vote count:
Gheb: (7) Gorf, Asdioh, Ryker, Glyph, Dooms, Evil Eye, Kataefi


Not voting: (7) frozenflame751, Rajam, Auspher, J, Gheb_01, Chaco, Soupamario

Deadline January 11th, 11:59 PM EST.

Prods for inactivity:
Glyph - 2
KevinM - 1
Soupamario - 2
Kataefi - 1
Frozenflame - 1
Auspher - 1
Evil Eye - 1

Auspher isn't on the wagon. Asdioh is.

 

[Dooms]

NEvermind derp read it wrong. Too tired for mafia.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

He's at L-2 since EE unvoted I believe. I'm ready for the lynch to go through whenever.

 

[Rajam]

vote: frozenflame751

For a player who did nothing D1, his initial posts toDay are not the best way to begin...

frozen, your scum picks?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

vote: frozenflame751

For a player who did nothing D1, his initial posts toDay are not the best way to begin...

frozen, your scum picks?

..........

You're ignoring a more pressing matter.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

vote: frozenflame751

For a player who did nothing D1, his initial posts toDay are not the best way to begin...

frozen, your scum picks?

So can we like lynch him instead?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Dat epic ninja be epic dawg.

 

[Dooms]

vote: frozenflame751

For a player who did nothing D1, his initial posts toDay are not the best way to begin...

frozen, your scum picks?

inb4 you're scum... LOL.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Reading Rajam is a crapshoot. Literally every time.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

But like it's questions like that that make me question Rajam's ability to, like, be a human being.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, I wanna hold your haaaa-aaaaaa-aaaaand.

 

[Rajam]

Gorf why did you claim so quickly? Is Auspher still scum to you? Any other scum picks?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Seriously, this man goes on the vig list. ****ing high on the vig list.