Lost Mafia - Who won? - The viewing audience of course

[Tandora]

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Vote Count:
RR: (2) Chaco, Auspher
Soupamario: (1) Glyph
Dooms: (2) KevinM, Soupamario
Glyph: (1) Kataefi
Mentosman: (1) Acrostic
Acrostic: (3) Gheb, Evil Eye, Acrostic
Auspher: (2) Circus, Gorf
Gorf: (1) Ryker
Gheb: (1) Dooms
Ryker: (1) Rajam


Not voting: (2) frozenflame751, Red Ryu

Prods for inactivity:
Acrostic - 1
Glyph - 1
KevinM - 1
Circus- 1
Soupamario - 1

Deadline December 23rd, 11:59 PM.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Really not liking this reaction from mentos...

Yea i posted good stuff but ill post better stuff as i approach a computer.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Really not liking this reaction from mentos...

Don't see the problem with his reactions. I got an overall town-read from them actually.

@Anyone Familiar with Mentos Alignment Play: what do you make of his activity and wordiness this game? Having played with him as scum and town, I don't see the connection to either faction currently. Usually Mentos is concise and I'm not seeing that.

Mentos ... concise? He's usually quite the opposite of it - he tends to bury the "core message" of his posts in fluffy, politician-like paragraphs, which is why I used to become suspicious of him in the past quite a lot. He's more active than usual but that's not because he's oh-so active this time around but more because his activity sucked back then.

Would be interested in what EE tried to accomplish. Pretty sure I can guess it but I'd like to hear him telling us.

 

[Dooms]

I actually like Mentos' reactions. Liking Mentos in Mentos v Glyph.

Need to re-read Glyph to see if I would mind his lynch or not, but from the looks of his convo with Mentos... I wouldn't mind his lynch at all xD.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

It looked off from what i read *shrug*. Like, it seems too much like he KKNEW itd be fake, and his reaction seems too win-win. If its legit, scumentos reaction would stall convo for town, and if the shots a gambit, then he gets the points for being quite composed. May be looking too into it but Ill def be rereading last page when i get to a comp.

 

[Dooms]

The way he talked about Evil Eye explained why he thought it was fake, and after EE posted again as if it was real, looked how Mentos changed. He actually got really mad, since EE was holding the gambit off longer than he needed to, which probably made Mentos think that it was a real kill.

 

[Dooms]

EBWOP: and after EE posted again as it it was real, Mentos changed quite a bit.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Back today, got no response. Going to have to do things. Results thread comes first.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Haven't been able to use a computer for awhile, just bought the parts to make my own, posting from a library; V/LA

 

[Chaco]

Wow, EE faked a shot? Interesting. Really don't approve of the methodology. If Mentos would've gone the opposite direction it could've really hurt town.

I'm still weary of Mentos, but his answers to me I liked.

@Gheb: Every game I played with Mentos waaaaay back when, it's been awhile since we've been in the same game, he was pretty concise.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Dunno what game you could be referring to that I wouldn't know about.

 

[Chaco]

Dunno what game you could be referring to that I wouldn't know about.

not referring to a single game, it's just my experiences with him have always been with him being concise. Game specific would be the Original FFVII.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: Mentos

 

[mentosman8]

O.O I'm still alive..? Thank god my faith in EE's mafia brains has been restored XD

First and foremost, I just want to make clear that my raging last night was due to the fact that it woulda been a horrible time to use a dayvig shot. Don't want any lasting out-of-game bad blood to come from that, so I just want to make clear that it was nothing personal XD

Now,

It looked off from what i read *shrug*. Like, it seems too much like he KKNEW itd be fake, and his reaction seems too win-win. If its legit, scumentos reaction would stall convo for town, and if the shots a gambit, then he gets the points for being quite composed. May be looking too into it but Ill def be rereading last page when i get to a comp.

You do realize that the only way I possibly could have known the shot was a fake was if me and EE were scummates and decided to intentionally draw major focus to ourselves, right? That comment is just stupid. Do you really think that was a scum gambit, or did you just not actually think about what it would mean if I knew it was?

@Glyph: Last night while I wasn't exactly in a clear state of mind, you asked this question

What would scum have to gain from pushing a dead player?

I'd like to ask you a question in return. What would town have to gain from twisting the actions of a dead player? What would town have to gain from arguing with a dead player stating the player who shot him out of the blue should be looked into heavily going forward?

You've been absent the whole game. Suddenly I'm presumed dead and you start contributing, not by commenting on anyone still alive, but by arguing with the person who for all intents and purposes is dead at the time. Even after the fact, based on the post that came up while I was typing this, you want to still push me and disregard the rest of the game. What are your thoughts on, let's say, Auspher, Gord, and Gheb?

Other than that look forward to hearing from EE, I pretty much know his motive behind faking that, but it'll be nice to hear it from the bear's mouth.(and taunt him more about the packers losing to the chiefs buahahahahaha)

 

[Dooms]

I'm more than fine with a Glyph lynch since he's done literally nothing besides answer like two questions and have his argument with Mentos.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Whether or not I was 'twisting your actions' is relative. First off, I knew the whole thing was fake. It was painfully obvious from the start and I'm fairly sure you knew it too. Just because you say you're doing something doesn't make it true, especially in a game of deception like this.

I still haven't read bro, and probably won't. Though guess what, that has zzzzzzzzzzzzzero bearing on this particular exchange.

And on top of that, you didn't answer my question. May as well add this on: Did you or did you not know that EE was gambiting with his daykill action?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm more than fine with a Glyph lynch since he's done literally nothing besides answer like two questions and have his argument with Mentos.

This is why town lost Moderator Mafia

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Bahahahahahahahaha!

Reading from when I went V/LA.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gheb what is your read on Joey, both in general and in lieu of that interaction you've now cited and posted snarky comments about.

And, actually, Acrostic needs to get back here and talk about stuff or DIE

Vote: Acrostic

Vote Acrostic

 

[Dooms]

This is why town lost Moderator Mafia

No it's not. Town lost because neither me or kantrip read through the thread enough in a lylo situation, and we both placed our votes way too early, along with me (and I think Kantrip/Gustave too) pretty much clearing Pluvia as town. Saying that I'm fine with a lynch has nothing to do with a lack of reading the thread, me putting my vote out too early, or not considering the opinions of others.

Stick your insults up your ***.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

"Hey look at me, I'm Ryker; I'm centering the game around me and I'm blatantly anti-town by not responding direct questions in order to stall the game; my purpose is to make people get a town read on me based on dumb reasons"

..."and I make loaded questions btw"

unvote
vote: Ryker

You already have an admission of guilt from me in my letters to my scummates, so help me improve.

Which question is loaded and why is it bad?
How do you know my goal was stalling the game instead of the dual reason of not talking about things I didn't know about and seeing which way Mentos would jump?
What gave away that I was only trying to get people to apparently disregard logic and give me a town read?

Also, for the record, will you ever be caught up?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

FoS: Gorf and Circus

I like you a lot.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I honestly don't like any of his posts at all and they give me pure scum vibes.

He doesn't attempt to push his votes at all. He'll defend himself and defend why he has a vote out, but he won't defend why he's voting the specific person if that makes sense. What I mean by that is "I'm voting because I want to see how someone reacts with pressure", not with information on what they actually did. He's playing without any scum hunting motivation at all!

"I don't care," is another thing. Saying that you don't care means that you have no intentions to play the game, which means you plan on ridding through the game without giving us ideas on scum through evidence, and it means that you will not be scum hunting at all the whole game.

After all of that lack of scum hunting, he starts going into how we'll regret lynching him with literally every post that has any information relating to the game at all (along with some that don't). I don't know if this is actually scummy or not, but when a person isn't scum hunting at all and doesn't intend to based on their play, and they're trying to keep themselves alive through threats... I'm just adding one and two here.

You get stuck on layer one and you never get any deeper. Do you get what I mean here? It's a recurring theme with you.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

No it's not. Town lost because neither me or kantrip read through the thread enough in a lylo situation, and we both placed our votes way too early, along with me (and I think Kantrip/Gustave too) pretty much clearing Pluvia as town. Saying that I'm fine with a lynch has nothing to do with a lack of reading the thread, me putting my vote out too early, or not considering the opinions of others.

Stick your insults up your ***.

Town lost that game because you played really scummy and reached bad conclusions about things, not because you didn't reread enough.

Tell me why I'm scum, with quotes to support it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why stop posting Mentos? You're dead, shouldn't you be doing everything you can to help town?

We're not lynching EE.

My reaction to the letter.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Like I'm known for reading everything in a post anyway, but while we're talking about stuff like that I like how it took you this long to bring it up. Be pretty silly of me to just flat out omit a part like that when my entire 'case' could be debunked by you quoting your own post.

Lol, my reaction exactly as well.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'll leave that for everyone else to decide, but you calling EE scum sure does seem like you want it to look like his attempt to kill you was unfounded.

And hey, there's some actual progress! Now tell me, am I scummy for this little exchange? What would scum have to gain from pushing a dead player?

The ability to put work into the game without having any sort of lasting connection from it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lol whatevs EE, enjoy the townie death and getting your *** ridden for a horrible shot choice once I flip town. I really don't know why I bothered to come back to mafia >_>

Nope, in fact, I'm going to F'ing laugh my *** off after the flip. So ****ing hard. Not to mention, since when is it a good idea to use a dayvig less than a week into D1? Seriously man, I've seen rookie players use dayvig better than that. In case you can't tell, I'm really ****ing salty about this because of how incredibly stupid it was to make a shot at this point.

Gross, sickening, nasty. AtE everywhere that town has literally NO reason to put out there as they gain nothing from it. Town assumes EE is scum at this point.

 

[Dooms]

You get stuck on layer one and you never get any deeper. Do you get what I mean here? It's a recurring theme with you.

No. I don't.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EE, do you still think that Mentos vs. GLife couldn't have been staged?

 

[Dooms]

Town lost that game because you played really scummy and reached bad conclusions about things, not because you didn't reread enough.

Tell me why I'm scum, with quotes to support it.

No, I'm pretty sure it was because of the fact that neither me or Kantrip re-read the thread for things other than information on me/Kantrip. If either of us looked for things on Pluvia, the game could have been turned pretty easily.

I guess I played scummy, but from the reader's perspective I was using OMGUS, which I wasn't attempting to at all. It's whatever though, I could care less.

I'm not saying you're scum. I'm saying that you're not being helpful to the town at all and that I would be fine with your lynch if it came down to it.

An example of why I wouldn't mind your lynch would be when you said that all of Mentos' posts were defending himself. Most of his posts were stating why EE would be scummy if a shot went through and some conversation with you. The only part that I would say was defending himself was when he posted about you skipping the post, which could be seen as a stab at you as well as a defense. You didn't say where he defended himself either or how he did it, you just said to leave it up to everyone else to decide, which I don't like since none of it looks like a defense at all besides that one post.

I also don't like the push on Mentos after he said that you skipped over the last part of his post. That's mostly because of the fact that I would have more important things on my mind if I were dying than telling you about a part of my post that you didn't read.

Also, in the same post where you responded to him about you skipping things, you accused Mentos of actually thinking that EE went through with the kill even though Mentos already stated that it was probably a fake kill, and was just saying the EE stuff just in case the kill actually went through.

 

[mentosman8]

Whether or not I was 'twisting your actions' is relative. First off, I knew the whole thing was fake. It was painfully obvious from the start and I'm fairly sure you knew it too. Just because you say you're doing something doesn't make it true, especially in a game of deception like this.

I still haven't read bro, and probably won't. Though guess what, that has zzzzzzzzzzzzzero bearing on this particular exchange.

And on top of that, you didn't answer my question. May as well add this on: Did you or did you not know that EE was gambiting with his daykill action?

Really, you need to learn how to read Glyphyboy, I did give you an answer about what scum would have to gain in my 474, if you're too lazy to click on the link and read the first paragraph of the post, here it is in quote for you.

First of all, depends on the type of scum. It could be very possibly a different faction of some sort(mafia/indie difference) where they don't know if it's real or not, and are trying to push the player to give up some information in case it's fake(ex inadvertently stating a role, etc).

Second of all, I 100% did not KNOW that he was gambiting. At first, when I was still in incredulous mode, the first post I made after the fact, yeah I questioned it a bit. Then I started to think and really didn't see EE pulling a gambit like that, and I progressively got more confident that it was real until he posted and I was almost positive I would wake up dead.

Gross, sickening, nasty. AtE everywhere that town has literally NO reason to put out there as they gain nothing from it. Town assumes EE is scum at this point.

No, town has nothing to gain from it, but I had already given town what I could offer anyway. Not to mention, I was working full under the assumption that when I woke up today I would be dead and out of the game, so why not state my dissatisfaction with what I thought happened?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No, town has nothing to gain from it, but I had already given town what I could offer anyway. Not to mention, I was working full under the assumption that when I woke up today I would be dead and out of the game, so why not state my dissatisfaction with what I thought happened?

Why not? Because that's not the thought process from someone better than Auspher. I find myself highly skeptical that you would legitimately sling insults at EE if you were being genuine.

 

[mentosman8]

Oh yeah, and since I was angry last night I didn't say this, but just a quick response to EE:

It's kind of hilarious that you cite Bioware. Yes I did certainly indeed belabor all of my vig shots. Such as jungle, the mafia indoctrinator I busted some serious caps in without ever expressing so much as a whisper of suspicion of him.

That is true, but I think you know the difference between that and if your gambit had been real. Two full days and already having flips to work with is far different than half of D1 with nothing concrete on the table.

@Rykerninja

Why not? Because that's not the thought process from someone better than Auspher. I find myself highly skeptical that you would legitimately sling insults at EE if you were being genuine

I was pissed, convinced I was dead, had already offered up my more rational thoughts, and felt the need to drive home how stupid I thought the shot was to EE. There are very few things in a game of mafia that can make me compare EE to a rookie player. Wasting a dayvig shot(which are normally limited) partway through D1 would be one of them(at least if it was a town move).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll read after Dinner.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Actually reading back, I think I was WIFOMing myself earlier with thinking mentos' reaction was too polished. It doesn't rub me any way in particular...

No, I'm pretty sure it was because of the fact that neither me or Kantrip re-read the thread for things other than information on me/Kantrip. If either of us looked for things on Pluvia, the game could have been turned pretty easily.

I guess I played scummy, but from the reader's perspective I was using OMGUS, which I wasn't attempting to at all. It's whatever though, I could care less.

I'm not saying you're scum. I'm saying that you're not being helpful to the town at all and that I would be fine with your lynch if it came down to it.

An example of why I wouldn't mind your lynch would be when you said that all of Mentos' posts were defending himself. Most of his posts were stating why EE would be scummy if a shot went through and some conversation with you. The only part that I would say was defending himself was when he posted about you skipping the post, which could be seen as a stab at you as well as a defense. You didn't say where he defended himself either or how he did it, you just said to leave it up to everyone else to decide, which I don't like since none of it looks like a defense at all besides that one post.

I also don't like the push on Mentos after he said that you skipped over the last part of his post. That's mostly because of the fact that I would have more important things on my mind if I were dying than telling you about a part of my post that you didn't read.

Also, in the same post where you responded to him about you skipping things, you accused Mentos of actually thinking that EE went through with the kill even though Mentos already stated that it was probably a fake kill, and was just saying the EE stuff just in case the kill actually went through.

I feel like all of your post only go so deep into thought, and once you reach a certain point you stop all trains of deep thought.

Really liking chaco, liking Gheb, I'd be totally fine with an Acro lynch if that's what it came down to (but if you read Xonar's post in the social it tells how he's really sick and that that's what is drawing him away from playing :/), but an Ausupher lynch is ideal... even though there's not much to go off of it... and I'm still think that Ruy v Ausupher would be S v S upon an Ausupher scum flip. Ryker's a homosexual. But hey I don't find myself disagreeing with em on anything really, I like em this game.

 

[Rajam]

ugh, Auspher is sending a bunch of opposing signals; he isn't hiding like noobscum would, but he isn't spitting everything out like pressured-to-death noobtown would do, and instead we have these "I don't care" and "I'll be useful D2"... Auspher is useless-whatever (aka null) and a decent lynch toDay. Nonetheless, the next two posts strike me as odd and if anything makes me believe Auspher is slightly more noobtown instead of noobscum:

*facepalms Auspher* Instead of doing the ATE and such to, as EE mentioned, really was gentle pressure, try to put some effort in and do something! That is literally all we're asking right now, that you provide content, and instead of just putting in some effort to put some out there you ATE and give up >_> Work with us and show us what you bring to the table!

In this post it seems that mentos is operating under the basis that Auspher is town, nonetheless he isn't telling him in more detail what he could do to stop with the nonsense, neither is he asking him specific questions that could lead somewhere and correct the course; instead he is telling him to do something in a very open way when clearly the guy has shown since long ago he is unable to do anything... mentos isn't offering any direction nor concrete "things-you-could-do" here

Vote: Gheb

Yeah. I don't like Gheb.

Trying to put blame onto Circus/Ryu for a lynch on Auspher when he is playing the way he is... That's just a bunch of BS. New or not, the way he's playing is dead up scummy, he has no scum hunting motivation, and he literally says "Kill me and town will lose~." when he doesn't even scum hunt in the first place. You also choose to blame Ryu, who has dropped his pressure vote on Auspher, instead of the guy that made a case on him and actually wants him lynched, which is Gord.

Gord, will you explain what made you vote Auspher after the case? You just placed a vote and said you would explain it later. You haven't explained it yet and you've made several posts since then.

In this post I find specially telling the way how Dooms implicitly assumes Auspher is town (despite he's saying Auspher has been scummy and bla bla... he actually defends him in the phrase that he plays the way he is)

Four posts into page four (40PPP master race) and Soup is scum.

Ugh, Mentos, ugh, ugh, ugh.

Soup isn't scum if Mentos is scum. Probably.

Acro posts a lot of words when he could easily say things in one sentence. It's getting tedious to read whenever he posts with half of it being failed attempts at humor.

I don't like Kat. Again. I just hate the way he posts.

And then I reached the point where I started posting. This game is ***.

EE, you're wrong about Gheb being scummy.

Mentos, you are sitting there. Just sitting there. So is half the cast.

I'd lynch Lurkus for doing nothing, but would not lynch FF for it. Would you join that wagon, Kat/KevMo/RR?

Auspher has done NOTHING to make me think he's noobtown over noobscum. Reading him is a crapshoot and will probably continue to be a crapshoot for the rest of the game.

Rajam is going to be behind forever and is high on my list of expendables.

In fact, vig list:

1.) FF
2.) Auspher
3.) Rajam
4.) Joey

Vote Gorf

unvote

Agreed on mentos possibly being scum. Although this is weak, I haven't particularly got town vibes from him, despite he has given several content. Deffinitely can see mentos being scum but I have no solid reasons so I'll just leave it up to here.

Got a similar impression from Acrostic, at least on the part that he adds more wording than necessary

Kataefi null

Gheb town

Auspher already explained. Null

At least when Ryker and I agree on some reads, it's a good sign. I remember we had similar reads in Super Heroes where we both were town

Three questions though:
1.- Why up to this point you said Soup was/is scum? Would like to know what did you see
2.- Your read on Glyph, if any?
3.- Gorf?

Rajam, is Acro's post alone worth more scum point than anything else that has been done by anyone other than Auspher?

So does anyone know if acroscum tends to disappear when he gets a hefty dose of The Callout? Because I really think as town he'd have stuck around to argue it out.

So far, after all the things that have been said an all the discussion held, I find Acrostic's reactions to be the most scummy thing around. When I was scum in Dexter, I received super-early pressure, and I wasn't able to handle it, and decided to disappear and come back much later when people already forgot me. But this last thing I'm saying is only an extra bonus to Acrostic's initial reactions over pressure. I already stated the reasons of why those reactions are scummy some posts ago, and I want to add now that not because they were in early-game, the case holds less merit. D1 is a bunch of discussion pointing in several ways in hopes of finding what could be named the "ultimate tells". I seriously think Acrostic's reactions fall in that category.

vote: Acrostic

 

[Dooms]

Rajam, I never said that I thought Auspher was town. Are you just not reading, or did you miss where me and Chaco talked to each other about Auspher?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm expendable. I'm Mr. Eko and as far as my role pm states, I have no abilities that would contribute to town. I do have a particular disability in that I am unable to hammer on a target in a given day phase, I didn't have the time to ask Tandora what the consequences are of me hammering on a certain vote.

 

[Evil Eye]

Mr. Eko is a priest that doesn't kill. Role aspect is legit.

Not sure about the implications otherwise, though. Of either that role aspect, or the fact that he didn't offer his actual role name.